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Posted By: Mark Levin | Date: 5/11/02 12:27 p.m. | |
In Response To: Re: Truth and conjecture (Dan Johnson) One point of contention here seems to be what the art under discussion actually is. Where does "Marathon" end and our view of it begin? I believe that the "Marathon" we are trying to discover must form the core part of each of our personal views of the game. It is the common foundation around which we are imagining. Therefore, I also believe that this core must be the same for everyone who has ever experienced Marathon, so that we have somewhere to start from. We are very fortunate that Hamish has put the effort into developing this place where we can compare and contrast our interpretations and views of the game, but we must not forget that we base everything we say about Marathon upon the same game(s) as everyone else. IMO the proper place for such complexities as discussed here is a new scenario or similar complete derivative work, which would allow them to be presented alongside the original without trying to modify the "canon". I do believe that there is a universal truth in a piece of art, and it is that which the author placed there, and that art is not an entirely subjective experience. Consider a piece of music: It is created from nothingness by a composer and passed on to a performer as a complete piece. When the performer plays it, he adds his own tiny variations, quirks, and nuances of technique and timing to make a unique experience for his listeners, but the notes, melody, and whatever else the composer set to paper are still in there and allow the piece to be recognized no matter who is playing it. The sheet music is the game, the performance is the playing and debating, and the orchestra is posting on the 'net. (P.S. I stopped formally learning about music in high school, so if I've made some horrible mistake feel free to correct :P ) |
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halo=marathon universe? | Thirdeye | 5/1/02 3:33 p.m. | |
Re: halo=marathon universe? | archon | 5/1/02 7:31 p.m. | |
Re: halo=marathon universe? | Johannes Gunnar | 5/2/02 10:48 a.m. | |
Re: halo=marathon universe? | Shishka | 5/2/02 6:21 p.m. | |
Re: halo=marathon universe? | Claude Errera | 5/3/02 8:21 a.m. | |
Re: halo=marathon universe? | zudo | 5/3/02 9:34 a.m. | |
they never stop, hoping do they:) *NM* | Tru7h | 5/3/02 12:11 p.m. | |
Re: halo=marathon universe? | mnemesis | 5/3/02 12:20 p.m. | |
Re: halo=marathon universe? | Djof | 5/3/02 6:19 p.m. | |
Re: halo=marathon universe? | [zudo] | 5/4/02 8:05 a.m. | |
Re: halo=marathon universe? | Djof | 5/4/02 3:31 p.m. | |
Oh well then you must be right ;p *NM* | [zudo] | 5/5/02 6:25 a.m. | |
Oh well then you must be right ;p | zudo | 5/5/02 6:26 a.m. | |
The Halo versus Marathon case. | Djof | 5/5/02 12:03 p.m. | |
Re: The Halo versus Marathon case. | Johannes Gunnar | 5/5/02 12:35 p.m. | |
Haleluya!!!! *NM* | Tru7h | 5/5/02 1:33 p.m. | |
Re: Halo vs Marathon (mild spoiler) | zudo | 5/5/02 3:28 p.m. | |
Re: Halo vs Marathon (mild spoiler) | archon | 5/5/02 6:42 p.m. | |
Re: Halo vs Marathon (mild spoiler) | Djof | 5/5/02 7:36 p.m. | |
Re: Halo vs Marathon (mild spoiler) | Tru7h | 5/6/02 3:09 p.m. | |
Re: Halo vs Marathon (mild spoiler) | Djof | 5/6/02 7:15 p.m. | |
Re: Halo vs Marathon (mild spoiler) | Mark Levin | 5/6/02 1:04 a.m. | |
Re: The Halo versus Marathon case. | Rick Blaine | 5/6/02 9:24 p.m. | |
Honorable fight | Djof@School | 5/7/02 8:20 a.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | zudo | 5/7/02 2:53 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Tru7h | 5/7/02 3:44 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Rick Blaine | 5/7/02 6:09 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Tru7h | 5/7/02 8:04 p.m. | |
My public apology to Tru7h | Rick Blaine | 5/7/02 8:18 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | zudo | 5/8/02 1:15 a.m. | |
isnt Tycho Brahe that guy from PennyArcade? NM *NM* | Ernie | 5/11/02 12:48 p.m. | |
I smell geek funk (and I hope irony) :D *NM* | zudo | 5/11/02 1:55 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Djof | 5/7/02 4:49 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | zudo | 5/8/02 1:19 a.m. | |
Reading carefully... | Claude Errera | 5/8/02 7:29 a.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Rick Blaine | 5/7/02 5:37 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Mark Levin | 5/7/02 8:09 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Rick Blaine | 5/7/02 9:08 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Mark Levin | 5/7/02 10:12 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Rick Blaine | 5/7/02 11:48 p.m. | |
Wow. | B-Sharp | 5/8/02 6:43 p.m. | |
Re: Wow. | Mark Levin | 5/8/02 8:14 p.m. | |
Re: Wow. | Rick Blaine | 5/8/02 8:40 p.m. | |
Re: Wow. | Boomer | 5/8/02 9:19 p.m. | |
Re: Wow. | Rick Blaine | 5/8/02 8:35 p.m. | |
Re: Wow. | B-Sharp | 5/10/02 12:23 a.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Tru7h | 5/7/02 8:15 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Rick Blaine | 5/7/02 9:27 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Tru7h | 5/8/02 3:10 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Mark Levin | 5/8/02 4:13 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | zudo | 5/8/02 4:31 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Mark Levin | 5/8/02 4:41 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Rick Blaine | 5/8/02 4:59 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Rick Blaine | 5/8/02 4:43 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Tru7h | 5/8/02 8:03 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Rick Blaine | 5/8/02 8:46 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Tru7h | 5/9/02 3:22 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Rick Blaine | 5/9/02 3:54 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Tru7h | 5/9/02 6:48 p.m. | |
the most obvious possibility is often right one *NM* | Tru7h | 5/7/02 8:21 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Andreas R | 5/8/02 8:02 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight | Tru7h | 5/8/02 8:05 p.m. | |
Re: Honorable fight [BASH BASH BASH] :D | Ernie | 5/11/02 12:46 p.m. | |
Re: The Halo versus Marathon case. | zudo | 5/7/02 10:10 a.m. | |
Re: The Halo versus Marathon case. | Claude Errera | 5/7/02 11:00 a.m. | |
Re: The Halo versus Marathon case. | zudo | 5/7/02 2:43 p.m. | |
Conjecture: The Marathon Multiverse. | Rick Blaine | 5/7/02 7:58 p.m. | |
Re: Conjecture: The Marathon Multiverse. | Mark Levin | 5/7/02 8:07 p.m. | |
well said! *NM* | Tru7h | 5/7/02 8:19 p.m. | |
Re: Conjecture: The Marathon Multiverse. | Rick Blaine | 5/7/02 9:40 p.m. | |
Re: Conjecture: The Marathon Multiverse. | zudo | 5/8/02 1:35 a.m. | |
Re: Conjecture: The Marathon Multiverse. | Mark Levin | 5/8/02 10:55 a.m. | |
Re: Conjecture: The Marathon Multiverse. | Rick Blaine | 5/8/02 12:17 p.m. | |
Re: Conjecture: The Marathon Multiverse. | zudo | 5/9/02 2:21 p.m. | |
Truth and conjecture | Dan Johnson | 5/10/02 12:06 a.m. | |
Re: Truth and conjecture | :: Beer Can :: | 5/10/02 2:16 a.m. | |
Re: Truth and conjecture | Hamish Sinclair | 5/10/02 11:08 a.m. | |
Re: Truth and conjecture | Dan Johnson | 5/11/02 9:13 a.m. | |
Re: Truth and conjecture | zudo | 5/11/02 11:45 a.m. | |
Art and stasis | Dan Johnson | 5/11/02 11:18 p.m. | |
Re: Truth and conjecture | Mark Levin | 5/11/02 12:27 p.m. | |
Re: Truth and conjecture | :: Beer Can :: | 5/11/02 9:04 p.m. | |
Re: Truth and conjecture | :: Beer Can :: | 5/11/02 12:41 p.m. | |
Re: Truth and conjecture | zudo | 5/11/02 1:57 p.m. | |
Re: Truth and conjecture | Rick Blaine | 5/11/02 3:06 p.m. | |
Re: Truth and conjecture | :: Beer Can :: | 5/11/02 8:52 p.m. | |
Re: Truth and conjecture | :: Beer Can :: | 5/11/02 8:49 p.m. | |
Re: Truth and conjecture | zudo | 5/12/02 3:02 a.m. | |
Re: Truth and conjecture | Rick Blaine | 5/12/02 1:11 p.m. | |
Re: Truth and conjecture | :: Beer Can :: | 5/12/02 1:31 p.m. | |
Re: Conjecture: The Marathon Multiverse. | Rick Blaine | 5/8/02 12:01 p.m. | |
Re: Conjecture: The Marathon Multiverse. | zudo | 5/8/02 1:39 a.m. | |
Re: halo=marathon universe? | Rick Blaine | 5/6/02 5:20 p.m. | |
Re: halo=marathon universe? | Tru7h | 5/6/02 6:48 p.m. | |
The True story Between Marathon and Halo | Alfred Mordeir | 5/3/02 9:48 a.m. | |
Re: The True story Between Marathon and Halo | archon | 5/3/02 4:39 p.m. | |
Re: The True story Between Marathon and Halo | kiro69 | 5/7/02 9:03 a.m. |
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