Re: Beyond Aurora


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Re: Beyond Aurora

Posted By: Forrest of B.org Date: 7/21/04 1:56 p.m.
In Response To: Beyond Aurora (Andrew Nagy)

: I always play in software.
Why? What's the point of even using AO then?
: Is it even possible yet to get 128x128 graphics on
: a Mac with only 8MB VRAM?
The basic textures in Shapes are all 128x128. "Hires" is considered in Marathon parlance to be 256x256. Eternal's "hi res" are 512x512, with "mid res" 256 and lores 128 also available. The "lores" textures, all 130 of them per set (about 4x as many as the original game), still only use about 4MB of VRAM at a time. (If you somehow had all 5 sets loaded it would be 20MB but how or why would you do that?).
: Isn't hardware mode still buggy, with terminals
: not showing or flickering or something?
Not in my experience. The only bugs I've found at all with hardware mode are that some textures at some extreme viewing angles will "wobble" a little bit, and that transparent liquids don't work with hires replacement textures, but you don't get transparent liquids in software mode anyway, do you?
: Which reminds me. From ScenarioNews, June 29 update, about Beyond Aurora:
: "Note on getting the Dusk textures to work: Make sure you have OpenGL
: on in Aleph One and that the Scripts and Textures folders are inside the
: Aleph One folder. The manuals that come with the new games explain it
: further."
: I haven't gotten around to downloading it yet (what with PF etc), but does
: that mean I can't use it without OpenGL mode? That ####!
Why? Newer stuff requires newer equipment. Why else are people improving Aleph One? If you just want to play standard Marathon... then play standard Marathon! AO makes things better, but it requires more resources to do so. Thus is the nature of all software development.

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Seven Days Forrest of B.org 7/17/04 10:52 p.m.

Re: Seven Days Adam Ashwell 7/18/04 2:33 a.m.

Re: Seven Days Johannes Gunnar 7/18/04 3:43 a.m.

Not at 7:07 AM? *NM* Andrew Nagy 7/18/04 10:56 a.m.

Re: Not at 7:07 AM? Forrest of B.org 7/18/04 9:00 p.m.

Re: Not at 7:07 AM? Adam Ashwell 7/19/04 2:23 a.m.

pwned *NM* Andrew Nagy 7/19/04 5:14 p.m.

Re: Seven Days Steve Levinson 7/18/04 4:39 p.m.

Re: Seven Days Johannes Gunnar 7/19/04 2:36 a.m.

Re: Seven Days Forrest of B.org 7/19/04 9:12 a.m.

Re: Seven Days Johannes Gunnar 7/20/04 1:30 p.m.

Re: Seven Days Adam Ashwell 7/20/04 1:38 p.m.

Re: Seven Days Forrest of B.org 7/20/04 8:45 p.m.

Re: Seven Days Andrew Nagy 7/21/04 1:40 p.m.

Re: Seven Days Forrest of B.org 7/21/04 2:00 p.m.

On further consideration... Forrest of B.org 7/21/04 3:36 p.m.

Re: Seven Days Andrew Nagy 7/22/04 7:54 p.m.

Re: Seven Days Adam Ashwell 7/23/04 2:24 a.m.

Beyond Aurora Andrew Nagy 7/21/04 1:40 p.m.

Re: Beyond Aurora Forrest of B.org 7/21/04 1:56 p.m.

Re: Beyond Aurora Siphonopho 7/21/04 3:29 p.m.

Re: Beyond Aurora Andrew Nagy 7/22/04 6:04 p.m.

Re: Beyond Aurora (not that important anymore) Andrew Nagy 7/29/04 3:42 p.m.

Re: Beyond Aurora Steve Levinson 7/21/04 4:34 p.m.

Re: Beyond Aurora Andrew Nagy 7/22/04 7:16 p.m.

Re: Beyond Aurora Steve Levinson 7/24/04 9:15 p.m.

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: Why? What's the point of even using AO then? : The basic textures in Shapes are all 128x128. "Hires" is considered : in Marathon parlance to be 256x256. Eternal's "hi res" are : 512x512, with "mid res" 256 and lores 128 also available. The : "lores" textures, all 130 of them per set (about 4x as many as : the original game), still only use about 4MB of VRAM at a time. (If you : somehow had all 5 sets loaded it would be 20MB but how or why would you do : that?). : Not in my experience. The only bugs I've found at all with hardware mode are : that some textures at some extreme viewing angles will "wobble" : a little bit, and that transparent liquids don't work with hires : replacement textures, but you don't get transparent liquids in software : mode anyway, do you? : Why? Newer stuff requires newer equipment. Why else are people improving : Aleph One? If you just want to play standard Marathon... then play : standard Marathon! AO makes things better, but it requires more resources : to do so. Thus is the nature of all software development.

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Seven Days	Forrest of B.org	7/17/04 10:52 p.m.
Re: Seven Days	Adam Ashwell	7/18/04 2:33 a.m.
Re: Seven Days	Johannes Gunnar	7/18/04 3:43 a.m.
Not at 7:07 AM? NM	Andrew Nagy	7/18/04 10:56 a.m.
Re: Not at 7:07 AM?	Forrest of B.org	7/18/04 9:00 p.m.
Re: Not at 7:07 AM?	Adam Ashwell	7/19/04 2:23 a.m.
pwned NM	Andrew Nagy	7/19/04 5:14 p.m.
Re: Seven Days	Steve Levinson	7/18/04 4:39 p.m.
Re: Seven Days	Johannes Gunnar	7/19/04 2:36 a.m.
Re: Seven Days	Forrest of B.org	7/19/04 9:12 a.m.
Re: Seven Days	Johannes Gunnar	7/20/04 1:30 p.m.
Re: Seven Days	Adam Ashwell	7/20/04 1:38 p.m.
Re: Seven Days	Forrest of B.org	7/20/04 8:45 p.m.
Re: Seven Days	Andrew Nagy	7/21/04 1:40 p.m.
Re: Seven Days	Forrest of B.org	7/21/04 2:00 p.m.
On further consideration...	Forrest of B.org	7/21/04 3:36 p.m.
Re: Seven Days	Andrew Nagy	7/22/04 7:54 p.m.
Re: Seven Days	Adam Ashwell	7/23/04 2:24 a.m.
Beyond Aurora	Andrew Nagy	7/21/04 1:40 p.m.
Re: Beyond Aurora	Forrest of B.org	7/21/04 1:56 p.m.
Re: Beyond Aurora	Siphonopho	7/21/04 3:29 p.m.
Re: Beyond Aurora	Andrew Nagy	7/22/04 6:04 p.m.
Re: Beyond Aurora (not that important anymore)	Andrew Nagy	7/29/04 3:42 p.m.
Re: Beyond Aurora	Steve Levinson	7/21/04 4:34 p.m.
Re: Beyond Aurora	Andrew Nagy	7/22/04 7:16 p.m.
Re: Beyond Aurora	Steve Levinson	7/24/04 9:15 p.m.



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