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Posted By: Narcogen Date: 9/6/13 8:17 a.m.
In Response To: Re: Try Again (PerseusSpartacus)

: : By lasers do you mean blasters? Like your fusion pistol, or the hunter
: Um, I'm pretty positive that the blasters in Star Wars were lasers. At
: least that's how they seemed to me. Unless some Star Wars nerd can prove
: me otherwise. And in any case, with fusion or hunter bolts, it makes sense
: that it might not move as fast as a bullet - you're having to trap energy
: and then move it along at as high a speed as you can get it to go given
: the constraints of a handheld weapon with limited battery power for such a
: launching mechanism.
So?
I've always been a big fan of both SF and fantasy, and although I prefer my SF closer to the "hard" edge than Star Wars is, if something is up front about being that way-- Star Wars, for me at least, shows no pretensions whatsoever to actually being science fiction-- then I'm OK with it.
Modern Doctor Who, for all its silliness, is actually a bit closer, because while its timey wimey nonsense is as whimsical as it is ridiculous, there are times where the show flirts with being a literature of ideas. Star Wars is nothing of the sort. It is a classic journey tale (Hidden Fortress, Journey to the West) with a slightly different setting.
It reminds me of the Futurama joke, where Fry wants to see some movie that looks like Star Wars, and Leela (or was it Amy?) says she's in no mood for historical drama. Star Wars looks to the casual eye like science fiction because so many of the things it portrays are not yet (if ever) possible, and these things are presumed to lie in our distant future, nor someone else's distant past. In reality, though, that's all relative.
As an example of fantasy, which must cleave not to the rules of the world we know and inhabit, or even any particularly large subset of those rules, Star Wars creates a world and largely stays within the rules of that world. As such, it's no less valid a fantasy "future" than Excalibur or Lord of the Rings is a fantasy "past".
I'm not so much defending Star Wars as the validity of space opera/space fantasy as a genre. It's like the people who are being all "don't get your chocolate in my peanut butter" about the use of the term "space magic" with regard to Destiny. As if it mattered whether one called them "space magic" or some other jargon term like... "biotics", wrapping the same gameplay mechanic in a shroud of pseudioscience.
I'd suggest that strong barricades be erected between gameplay mechanics and story canon for exactly those sorts of reasons. One can end up drawing some pretty far out conclusions otherwise.

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Re: Try Again PerseusSpartacus 9/6/13 7:50 a.m.

Re: Try Again Narcogen 9/6/13 8:17 a.m.

Re: Try Again treellama 9/6/13 9:51 a.m.

Re: Try Again PerseusSpartacus 9/6/13 12:10 p.m.

wrote everyone's favourite mythical beast *NM* patrick 9/5/13 11:33 a.m.

Re: Try Again Narcogen 9/5/13 5:44 a.m.

Re: Try Again Bob-B-Q 9/5/13 9:41 a.m.

Re: Try Again Martin 9/4/13 1:23 p.m.

Re: Try Again PerseusSpartacus 9/4/13 1:38 p.m.

Re: Try Again Martin 9/4/13 1:53 p.m.

Re: Try Again FiddlerOnARoof 9/10/13 7:47 p.m.

Re: Try Again PerseusSpartacus 9/10/13 8:05 p.m.

Re: Try Again Narcogen 9/10/13 8:42 p.m.

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Re: Try Again CB557 9/11/13 1:27 a.m.

Re: Try Again PerseusSpartacus 9/11/13 4:24 p.m.

Re: Try Again CB557 9/12/13 12:46 a.m.

Re: Try Again PerseusSpartacus 9/12/13 10:49 a.m.

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: So? : I've always been a big fan of both SF and fantasy, and although I prefer my : SF closer to the "hard" edge than Star Wars is, if something is : up front about being that way-- Star Wars, for me at least, shows no : pretensions whatsoever to actually being science fiction-- then I'm OK : with it. : Modern Doctor Who, for all its silliness, is actually a bit closer, because : while its timey wimey nonsense is as whimsical as it is ridiculous, there : are times where the show flirts with being a literature of ideas. Star : Wars is nothing of the sort. It is a classic journey tale (Hidden : Fortress, Journey to the West) with a slightly different setting. : It reminds me of the Futurama joke, where Fry wants to see some movie that : looks like Star Wars, and Leela (or was it Amy?) says she's in no mood for : historical drama. Star Wars looks to the casual eye like science fiction : because so many of the things it portrays are not yet (if ever) possible, : and these things are presumed to lie in our distant future, nor someone : else's distant past. In reality, though, that's all relative. : As an example of fantasy, which must cleave not to the rules of the world we : know and inhabit, or even any particularly large subset of those rules, : Star Wars creates a world and largely stays within the rules of that : world. As such, it's no less valid a fantasy "future" than : Excalibur or Lord of the Rings is a fantasy "past". : I'm not so much defending Star Wars as the validity of space opera/space : fantasy as a genre. It's like the people who are being all "don't get : your chocolate in my peanut butter" about the use of the term : "space magic" with regard to Destiny. As if it mattered whether : one called them "space magic" or some other jargon term like... : "biotics", wrapping the same gameplay mechanic in a shroud of : pseudioscience. : I'd suggest that strong barricades be erected between gameplay mechanics and : story canon for exactly those sorts of reasons. One can end up drawing : some pretty far out conclusions otherwise.

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Try Again LINK	PerseusSpartacus	9/4/13 9:41 a.m.
Re: Try Again	ukimalefu	9/4/13 11:14 a.m.
Re: Try Again	PerseusSpartacus	9/4/13 12:05 p.m.
Re: Try Again	treellama	9/5/13 4:14 a.m.
Re: Try Again	PerseusSpartacus	9/5/13 9:33 a.m.
Re: Try Again	treellama	9/6/13 4:38 a.m.
Re: Try Again	PerseusSpartacus	9/6/13 7:50 a.m.
Re: Try Again	Narcogen	9/6/13 8:17 a.m.
Re: Try Again	treellama	9/6/13 9:51 a.m.
Re: Try Again	PerseusSpartacus	9/6/13 12:10 p.m.
wrote everyone's favourite mythical beast NM	patrick	9/5/13 11:33 a.m.
Re: Try Again	Narcogen	9/5/13 5:44 a.m.
Re: Try Again	Bob-B-Q	9/5/13 9:41 a.m.
Re: Try Again	Martin	9/4/13 1:23 p.m.
Re: Try Again	PerseusSpartacus	9/4/13 1:38 p.m.
Re: Try Again	Martin	9/4/13 1:53 p.m.
Re: Try Again	FiddlerOnARoof	9/10/13 7:47 p.m.
Re: Try Again	PerseusSpartacus	9/10/13 8:05 p.m.
Re: Try Again	Narcogen	9/10/13 8:42 p.m.
Re: Try Again	CB557	9/11/13 9:48 a.m.
Re: Try Again	CB557	9/11/13 1:27 a.m.
Re: Try Again	PerseusSpartacus	9/11/13 4:24 p.m.
Re: Try Again	CB557	9/12/13 12:46 a.m.
Re: Try Again	PerseusSpartacus	9/12/13 10:49 a.m.
Re: Try Again	CB557	9/12/13 10:55 a.m.
Re: Try Again	PerseusSpartacus	9/12/13 3:27 p.m.



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