Re: Ne Cede Malis


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Re: Ne Cede Malis

Posted By: Hopper Date: 2/5/11 7:26 a.m.
In Response To: Ne Cede Malis (poenadare)

:: So, am I wrong or did I miss a memo - Ne Cede Malis is a timeline where you
:: are kidnapped by Durandal but never even get to the surface of Lh'owon, so
:: therefore you never active Thoth ... yet you get a Thoth-like term at the
:: end. ???
: I always figured (since Ne Cede Malis is supposed to be
: some other part of the Yrro station of Aye Mak Sicur et al) that the
: Thoth-like entity you meet there was the same fragmentary remnant of Yrro
: that you meet on Aye Mak Sicur
I don't think my pet theory has been discussed before: Ne Cede Malis isn't a "true" failed timeline like the others, but instead something closer to the dream levels. It's less abstract, but it shares many qualities with the post-Electric Sheep excursions: it's dark, you have to follow some confusing and tricky paths while compilers hound you, and there are some disorienting changes in scenery (the final bright room still feels unreal to me). It's significantly easier, but this is a warm-up both for you-the-player and you-the-character.
The dream foreshadows Aye Mak Sicur, but you haven't actually been to the station yet: instead, your imagination cobbles together visions of the future (the doors, the trih xeem terminals) with your own past (all the M1 callbacks, and a swim through M2's sewage). Thoth, or whatever Thoth-like being is speaking to you in Electric Sheep, is preparing you for the cyclical journey you're about to undergo. The final term is pretty convincing evidence for me -- that graphic only occurs here and in Electric Sheep, as I recall.
How did the marine arrive in this Ne Cede Malis dream state? Good question, which could also be asked of the Electric Sheep levels. My own view is that Thoth, when activated, is able to reach out to you across timelines, and eventually nudge you into the path where he's activated and the nova is contained. Pretty trite paradox-resolution stuff, but I'd sooner believe Thoth engineering his own resurrection than the cyborg navigating alternate timelines on his own initiative. (Even when the dream levels mock you for it, you still have to follow a path: just as your freedom as a player is limited to a few branches or alternate paths, I see the cyborg's own personality mirroring that, being inexorably drawn to following directions from others. I choose to see Thoth as an impetus for the timelines not repeating themselves.)

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But did he know about the Cubans? *NM* Bob-B-Q 2/1/11 9:59 a.m.

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*hand wringing* poenadare 2/2/11 1:35 p.m.

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Re: Ne Cede Malis Hopper 2/5/11 7:26 a.m.

Re: Ne Cede Malis Marathoner325 2/5/11 9:03 a.m.

Re: Ne Cede Malis Hopper 2/5/11 10:50 a.m.

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It's 3, 3 mints in one! poenadare 2/7/11 2:18 p.m.

Re: It's 3, 3 mints in one! Jabberwok 2/7/11 3:28 p.m.

Re: It's 3, 3 mints in one! Godot 2/7/11 11:12 p.m.

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Urgle! poenadare 2/3/11 6:18 a.m.

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My Marathon Timeline Illustration poenadare 2/3/11 3:31 p.m.

Seven words? Bob-B-Q 2/5/11 9:26 a.m.

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Found Something poenadare 2/11/11 6:00 a.m.

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Circumstances are Cyclical poenadare 2/11/11 7:24 a.m.

Re: Circumstances are Cyclical ukimalefu 2/11/11 8:28 a.m.

Cyclical Experiences poenadare 2/11/11 9:32 a.m.

Re: Cyclical Experiences Godot 2/11/11 10:08 a.m.

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Re: Found Post Godot 2/14/11 6:11 a.m.

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Re: Found Post Forrest of B.org 2/13/11 1:26 p.m.

Re: Found Post Godot 2/14/11 5:48 a.m.

Wowzers! *NM* poenadare 2/13/11 5:26 a.m.

Re: Found Post Marathoner325 2/13/11 8:21 a.m.

Re: Found Post *LINK* Godot 2/13/11 8:41 a.m.

Re: Found Post Marathoner325 2/13/11 11:03 a.m.

Re: Found Post Godot 2/13/11 11:47 a.m.

Leela's Fate Forrest of B.org 2/13/11 12:27 p.m.

Re: Leela's Fate Godot 2/14/11 5:44 a.m.

Re: Leela's Fate Jabberwok 2/14/11 12:13 p.m.

Re: Forrest Posts Godot 2/3/11 3:12 a.m.

Re: Forrest Posts poenadare 2/3/11 6:14 a.m.

RUN FORREST, RUN! *NM* ukimalefu 2/3/11 12:29 p.m.

Re: Forrest Posts Document 3/7/11 9:23 p.m.

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: I don't think my pet theory has been discussed before: Ne Cede Malis isn't a : "true" failed timeline like the others, but instead something : closer to the dream levels. It's less abstract, but it shares many : qualities with the post-Electric Sheep excursions: it's dark, you have to : follow some confusing and tricky paths while compilers hound you, and : there are some disorienting changes in scenery (the final bright room : still feels unreal to me). It's significantly easier, but this is a : warm-up both for you-the-player and you-the-character. : The dream foreshadows Aye Mak Sicur, but you haven't actually been to the : station yet: instead, your imagination cobbles together visions of the : future (the doors, the trih xeem terminals) with your own past (all the M1 : callbacks, and a swim through M2's sewage). Thoth, or whatever Thoth-like : being is speaking to you in Electric Sheep, is preparing you for the : cyclical journey you're about to undergo. The final term is pretty : convincing evidence for me -- that graphic only occurs here and in : Electric Sheep, as I recall. : How did the marine arrive in this Ne Cede Malis dream state? Good question, : which could also be asked of the Electric Sheep levels. My own view is : that Thoth, when activated, is able to reach out to you across timelines, : and eventually nudge you into the path where he's activated and the nova : is contained. Pretty trite paradox-resolution stuff, but I'd sooner : believe Thoth engineering his own resurrection than the cyborg navigating : alternate timelines on his own initiative. (Even when the dream levels : mock you for it, you still have to follow a path: just as your freedom as : a player is limited to a few branches or alternate paths, I see the : cyborg's own personality mirroring that, being inexorably drawn to : following directions from others. I choose to see Thoth as an impetus for : the timelines not repeating themselves.)

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Timelines	Forrest of B.org	1/30/11 11:58 a.m.
Ne Cede Malis	poenadare	1/30/11 12:54 p.m.
Re: Ne Cede Malis	Forrest of B.org	1/30/11 3:49 p.m.
Ne Cede Malis - Tycho's Foreknowledge	poenadare	1/30/11 5:43 p.m.
Re: Ne Cede Malis - Tycho's Foreknowledge	Forrest of B.org	1/30/11 6:08 p.m.
Re: Ne Cede Malis - Tycho's Foreknowledge	Jabberwok	1/30/11 6:42 p.m.
Re: Ne Cede Malis - Tycho's Foreknowledge	poenadare	1/30/11 7:27 p.m.
Re: Ne Cede Malis - Tycho's Foreknowledge	Jabberwok	1/31/11 1:23 a.m.
Tfear's Mea Culpa	poenadare	1/31/11 3:41 a.m.
Re: Tfear's Mea Culpa	Godot	1/31/11 7:31 a.m.
Re: Ne Cede Malis - Tycho's Foreknowledge	goran	2/15/11 12:56 p.m.
Re: Ne Cede Malis - Tycho's Foreknowledge	Jabberwok	2/15/11 8:16 p.m.
Re: Ne Cede Malis - Tycho's Foreknowledge	Godot	1/31/11 7:15 a.m.
Re: Ne Cede Malis	Godot	1/31/11 7:02 a.m.
Moo Manual Text	poenadare	1/31/11 7:17 a.m.
Re: Moo Manual Text	Godot	1/31/11 7:41 a.m.
Yes	poenadare	1/31/11 8:26 a.m.
Re: Yes	Godot	1/31/11 8:56 a.m.
Re: Yes	poenadare	1/31/11 9:13 a.m.
Re: Yes	Godot	1/31/11 9:34 a.m.
Re: Moo Manual Text	Bob-B-Q	2/1/11 6:25 a.m.
Re: Moo Manual Text LINK	Godot	2/1/11 6:39 a.m.
But did he know about the Cubans? NM	Bob-B-Q	2/1/11 9:59 a.m.
Ruminating M2MT vs MooMT	poenadare	2/1/11 2:37 p.m.
Re: Ruminating M2MT vs MooMT	Bob-B-Q	2/2/11 9:09 a.m.
Re: Ruminating M2MT vs MooMT	Godot	2/2/11 9:57 a.m.
hand wringing	poenadare	2/2/11 1:35 p.m.
Re: hand wringing	Godot	2/3/11 2:51 a.m.
hand wringing over MooMT vs. NCM	poenadare	2/3/11 9:56 a.m.
Re: hand wringing over MooMT vs. NCM	Godot	2/3/11 10:10 a.m.
Re: Ne Cede Malis	Hopper	2/5/11 7:26 a.m.
Re: Ne Cede Malis	Marathoner325	2/5/11 9:03 a.m.
Re: Ne Cede Malis	Hopper	2/5/11 10:50 a.m.
Re: Ne Cede Malis	Jabberwok	2/5/11 11:50 a.m.
Re: Ne Cede Malis	Godot	2/8/11 12:41 a.m.
Re: Ne Cede Malis	Godot	2/7/11 1:25 p.m.
It's 3, 3 mints in one!	poenadare	2/7/11 2:18 p.m.
Re: It's 3, 3 mints in one!	Jabberwok	2/7/11 3:28 p.m.
Re: It's 3, 3 mints in one!	Godot	2/7/11 11:12 p.m.
Re: It's 3, 3 mints in one!	Hopper	2/9/11 1:00 p.m.
Re: It's 3, 3 mints in one!	Godot	2/9/11 1:31 p.m.
Re: Timelines	Godot	1/30/11 12:56 p.m.
Re: Timelines	Jabberwok	1/30/11 2:17 p.m.
Re: Timelines	Forrest of B.org	1/30/11 3:25 p.m.
Re: Timelines	Jabberwok	1/30/11 4:21 p.m.
Re: Timelines	Jabberwok	1/30/11 4:29 p.m.
Forrest Timeline Diagram?	poenadare	2/2/11 5:01 a.m.
Re: Forrest Timeline Diagram?	Forrest of B.org	2/2/11 3:11 p.m.
Re: Forrest Timeline Diagram?	Forrest of B.org	2/2/11 3:14 p.m.
Forrest Posts	poenadare	2/2/11 3:30 p.m.
Re: Forrest Posts	Forrest of B.org	2/2/11 10:29 p.m.
Re: Forrest Posts	Forrest of B.org	2/3/11 12:29 a.m.
Re: Forrest Posts	Godot	2/3/11 3:21 a.m.
Re: Forrest Posts	Forrest of B.org	2/3/11 11:04 a.m.
Urgle!	poenadare	2/3/11 6:18 a.m.
Re: Forrest Posts	MrM12LRV	2/3/11 11:58 a.m.
My Marathon Timeline Illustration	poenadare	2/3/11 3:31 p.m.
Seven words?	Bob-B-Q	2/5/11 9:26 a.m.
Re: Forrest Posts	Marathoner325	2/3/11 3:50 p.m.
Re: Forrest Posts	Forrest of B.org	2/7/11 10:13 a.m.
Re: Forrest Posts	poenadare	2/7/11 10:25 a.m.
Re: Forrest Posts	Godot	2/7/11 12:19 p.m.
Re: Forrest Posts	Forrest of B.org	2/7/11 2:44 p.m.
Re: Forrest Posts	Jabberwok	2/7/11 3:25 p.m.
Re: Forrest Posts LINK	Godot	2/8/11 2:07 a.m.
Found Something	poenadare	2/11/11 6:00 a.m.
Re: Found Something	Godot	2/11/11 6:35 a.m.
Found Post	poenadare	2/11/11 7:09 a.m.
Circumstances are Cyclical	poenadare	2/11/11 7:24 a.m.
Re: Circumstances are Cyclical	ukimalefu	2/11/11 8:28 a.m.
Cyclical Experiences	poenadare	2/11/11 9:32 a.m.
Re: Cyclical Experiences	Godot	2/11/11 10:08 a.m.
Re: Cyclical Experiences	chiasaur11	2/12/11 9:34 a.m.
Re: Found Post	Godot	2/11/11 7:59 a.m.
Re: Found Post	Forrest of B.org	2/11/11 9:34 a.m.
Re: Found Post	Godot	2/12/11 8:54 a.m.
Re: Found Post	Forrest of B.org	2/12/11 12:05 p.m.
Re: Found Post	poenadare	2/12/11 12:26 p.m.
Re: Found Post	Forrest of B.org	2/12/11 11:19 p.m.
Re: Found Post	Godot	2/13/11 5:00 a.m.
Re: Found Post	Godot	2/13/11 6:57 a.m.
Re: Found Post	Forrest of B.org	2/13/11 12:57 p.m.
Re: Found Post	Godot	2/14/11 6:11 a.m.
Re: Found Post	Forrest of B.org	2/13/11 12:47 p.m.
Re: Found Post	Forrest of B.org	2/13/11 1:26 p.m.
Re: Found Post	Godot	2/14/11 5:48 a.m.
Wowzers! NM	poenadare	2/13/11 5:26 a.m.
Re: Found Post	Marathoner325	2/13/11 8:21 a.m.
Re: Found Post LINK	Godot	2/13/11 8:41 a.m.
Re: Found Post	Marathoner325	2/13/11 11:03 a.m.
Re: Found Post	Godot	2/13/11 11:47 a.m.
Leela's Fate	Forrest of B.org	2/13/11 12:27 p.m.
Re: Leela's Fate	Godot	2/14/11 5:44 a.m.
Re: Leela's Fate	Jabberwok	2/14/11 12:13 p.m.
Re: Forrest Posts	Godot	2/3/11 3:12 a.m.
Re: Forrest Posts	poenadare	2/3/11 6:14 a.m.
RUN FORREST, RUN! NM	ukimalefu	2/3/11 12:29 p.m.
Re: Forrest Posts	Document	3/7/11 9:23 p.m.



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	Message: : I don't think my pet theory has been discussed before: Ne Cede Malis isn't a : "true" failed timeline like the others, but instead something : closer to the dream levels. It's less abstract, but it shares many : qualities with the post-Electric Sheep excursions: it's dark, you have to : follow some confusing and tricky paths while compilers hound you, and : there are some disorienting changes in scenery (the final bright room : still feels unreal to me). It's significantly easier, but this is a : warm-up both for you-the-player and you-the-character. : The dream foreshadows Aye Mak Sicur, but you haven't actually been to the : station yet: instead, your imagination cobbles together visions of the : future (the doors, the trih xeem terminals) with your own past (all the M1 : callbacks, and a swim through M2's sewage). Thoth, or whatever Thoth-like : being is speaking to you in Electric Sheep, is preparing you for the : cyclical journey you're about to undergo. The final term is pretty : convincing evidence for me -- that graphic only occurs here and in : Electric Sheep, as I recall. : How did the marine arrive in this Ne Cede Malis dream state? Good question, : which could also be asked of the Electric Sheep levels. My own view is : that Thoth, when activated, is able to reach out to you across timelines, : and eventually nudge you into the path where he's activated and the nova : is contained. Pretty trite paradox-resolution stuff, but I'd sooner : believe Thoth engineering his own resurrection than the cyborg navigating : alternate timelines on his own initiative. (Even when the dream levels : mock you for it, you still have to follow a path: just as your freedom as : a player is limited to a few branches or alternate paths, I see the : cyborg's own personality mirroring that, being inexorably drawn to : following directions from others. I choose to see Thoth as an impetus for : the timelines not repeating themselves.)
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