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Re: Ne Cede Malis
Posted By: HopperDate: 2/5/11 7:26 a.m.

In Response To: Ne Cede Malis (poenadare)

:: So, am I wrong or did I miss a memo - Ne Cede Malis is a timeline where you
:: are kidnapped by Durandal but never even get to the surface of Lh'owon, so
:: therefore you never active Thoth ... yet you get a Thoth-like term at the
:: end. ???

: I always figured (since Ne Cede Malis is supposed to be
: some other part of the Yrro station of Aye Mak Sicur et al) that the
: Thoth-like entity you meet there was the same fragmentary remnant of Yrro
: that you meet on Aye Mak Sicur

I don't think my pet theory has been discussed before: Ne Cede Malis isn't a "true" failed timeline like the others, but instead something closer to the dream levels. It's less abstract, but it shares many qualities with the post-Electric Sheep excursions: it's dark, you have to follow some confusing and tricky paths while compilers hound you, and there are some disorienting changes in scenery (the final bright room still feels unreal to me). It's significantly easier, but this is a warm-up both for you-the-player and you-the-character.

The dream foreshadows Aye Mak Sicur, but you haven't actually been to the station yet: instead, your imagination cobbles together visions of the future (the doors, the trih xeem terminals) with your own past (all the M1 callbacks, and a swim through M2's sewage). Thoth, or whatever Thoth-like being is speaking to you in Electric Sheep, is preparing you for the cyclical journey you're about to undergo. The final term is pretty convincing evidence for me -- that graphic only occurs here and in Electric Sheep, as I recall.

How did the marine arrive in this Ne Cede Malis dream state? Good question, which could also be asked of the Electric Sheep levels. My own view is that Thoth, when activated, is able to reach out to you across timelines, and eventually nudge you into the path where he's activated and the nova is contained. Pretty trite paradox-resolution stuff, but I'd sooner believe Thoth engineering his own resurrection than the cyborg navigating alternate timelines on his own initiative. (Even when the dream levels mock you for it, you still have to follow a path: just as your freedom as a player is limited to a few branches or alternate paths, I see the cyborg's own personality mirroring that, being inexorably drawn to following directions from others. I choose to see Thoth as an impetus for the timelines not repeating themselves.)

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                                   *hand wringing*poenadare 2/2/11 1:35 p.m.
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                 Re: Ne Cede MalisMarathoner325 2/5/11 9:03 a.m.
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                       It's 3, 3 mints in one!poenadare 2/7/11 2:18 p.m.
                             Re: It's 3, 3 mints in one!Jabberwok 2/7/11 3:28 p.m.
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                                   Re: It's 3, 3 mints in one!Hopper 2/9/11 1:00 p.m.
                                         Re: It's 3, 3 mints in one!Godot 2/9/11 1:31 p.m.
     Re: TimelinesGodot 1/30/11 12:56 p.m.
           Re: TimelinesJabberwok 1/30/11 2:17 p.m.
                 Re: TimelinesForrest of B.org 1/30/11 3:25 p.m.
                       Re: TimelinesJabberwok 1/30/11 4:21 p.m.
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     Forrest Timeline Diagram?poenadare 2/2/11 5:01 a.m.
           Re: Forrest Timeline Diagram?Forrest of B.org 2/2/11 3:11 p.m.
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                       Forrest Postspoenadare 2/2/11 3:30 p.m.
                             Re: Forrest PostsForrest of B.org 2/2/11 10:29 p.m.
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                                         Re: Forrest PostsGodot 2/3/11 3:21 a.m.
                                               Re: Forrest PostsForrest of B.org 2/3/11 11:04 a.m.
                                         Urgle!poenadare 2/3/11 6:18 a.m.
                                         Re: Forrest PostsMrM12LRV 2/3/11 11:58 a.m.
                                         My Marathon Timeline Illustrationpoenadare 2/3/11 3:31 p.m.
                                               Seven words?Bob-B-Q 2/5/11 9:26 a.m.
                                         Re: Forrest PostsMarathoner325 2/3/11 3:50 p.m.
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                                               Re: Forrest PostsGodot 2/7/11 12:19 p.m.
                                                     Re: Forrest PostsForrest of B.org 2/7/11 2:44 p.m.
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                                                           Re: Forrest Posts *LINK*Godot 2/8/11 2:07 a.m.
                                                                 Found Somethingpoenadare 2/11/11 6:00 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Found SomethingGodot 2/11/11 6:35 a.m.
                                                                             Found Postpoenadare 2/11/11 7:09 a.m.
                                                                                   Circumstances are Cyclicalpoenadare 2/11/11 7:24 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Circumstances are Cyclicalukimalefu 2/11/11 8:28 a.m.
                                                                                         Cyclical Experiencespoenadare 2/11/11 9:32 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Cyclical ExperiencesGodot 2/11/11 10:08 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Cyclical Experienceschiasaur11 2/12/11 9:34 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Found PostGodot 2/11/11 7:59 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Found PostForrest of B.org 2/11/11 9:34 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Found PostGodot 2/12/11 8:54 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Found PostForrest of B.org 2/12/11 12:05 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Found Postpoenadare 2/12/11 12:26 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Found PostForrest of B.org 2/12/11 11:19 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Found PostGodot 2/13/11 5:00 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Found PostGodot 2/13/11 6:57 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Found PostForrest of B.org 2/13/11 12:57 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Found PostGodot 2/14/11 6:11 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Found PostForrest of B.org 2/13/11 12:47 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Found PostForrest of B.org 2/13/11 1:26 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Found PostGodot 2/14/11 5:48 a.m.
                                                                                               Wowzers! *NM*poenadare 2/13/11 5:26 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Found PostMarathoner325 2/13/11 8:21 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Found Post *LINK*Godot 2/13/11 8:41 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Found PostMarathoner325 2/13/11 11:03 a.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Found PostGodot 2/13/11 11:47 a.m.
                                                                                                           Leela's FateForrest of B.org 2/13/11 12:27 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: Leela's FateGodot 2/14/11 5:44 a.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: Leela's FateJabberwok 2/14/11 12:13 p.m.
                                   Re: Forrest PostsGodot 2/3/11 3:12 a.m.
                                         Re: Forrest Postspoenadare 2/3/11 6:14 a.m.
                                               RUN FORREST, RUN! *NM*ukimalefu 2/3/11 12:29 p.m.
                                               Re: Forrest PostsDocument 3/7/11 9:23 p.m.

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