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	Re: Oops, I did it again (or: more Eternal help, p
	Posted By: rampancy	Date: 2/18/08 4:56 p.m.
	In Response To: Re: Oops, I did it again (or: more Eternal help, p (Forrest of B.org) : Anyone who's played through Marathon 2 and the Infinity prologue. :-) ...bah. :P The way it was presented, the S'pht Kr would have thoroughly kicked the Pfhor's butt before they would have had a chance to use it, and without Tycho (and I'm willing to bet Admiral Tfear) they may not have had the tactical opportunity to use it. Oh well. : Author's note: there's a bit of possible plot weakness here, because if you : note the original trilogy timeline on the MSP, the S'pht'Kr have been on : K'lia for a thousand years by the time the Pfhor arrive... but K'lia has : been in orbit around Lh'owon still, right up until that very same year. : It's unclear whether the S'pht'Kr left and then the Pfhor arrived just by : coincidence, whether K'lia was "sent to the stars" by Yrro as : per S'pht myth because he knew the Pfhor were coming, or whether the : S'pht'Kr fled the Pfhor invasion on K'lia. If the latter, my whole plot : here breaks down, since why would they flee if they could kick Pfhor ass : already? And if either of the former... it's still a little weird that : K'lia would leave and then immediately be recalled again. It was my impression that we jumped forward in time, spanning the undetermined time between the apex of the Clan Wars (and the fleeing of the Kr) and the Pfhor Invasion. That would explain the Kr in their Royal Defender battle forms being present on Lh'owon to fight the Pfhor at the invasion. Durandal says that they've been gone for 1000 years (1000 presumably being the amount of time between M2 and the fleeing of K'lia) but that was in the M2 timeline - if you allow for the possibility that we're in fact creating our own timeline by jumping around and changing things (and God knows how many things we've changed up to this point, not including killing the poor hapless S'pht who get in our way), then continuity with the canonical Marathon timeline isn't that much of a concern. BTW, I'm certain that Yrro knew the Pfhor (or someone else) would be coming to enslave and destroy his (her?) creations. I don't think Yrro thought it would be precisely the Pfhor, but whenever you set up a paradise in a sandbox, you just know some little kid's going to come and mess it all up. : And there's still the question of whether, in that case, the S'pht'Kr would : have been able to kick Pfhor ass already; but seeing as how the S'pht : below have had a thousand years of dark ages and civil war while the : S'pht'Kr have been all alone on their own private moon with some fancy : Jjaro technology to study, I think it's a safe bet that they were already : advanced enough to kick Pfhor ass, if they had been present to do so at : the time. I don't think it necessarily matters how long they've been away and able to study the advanced Jjaro technology; I mean, their presence alone would have rallied the S'pht to unite and fight back hard. I think I remember from M2 that they figured out that they had to fight the Pfhor off together, but by then it was too late. : Interesting little foreshadowing here: much later in Eternal, you encounter a : primitive Jjaro AI who refers to the trih xeem as a "nova research : device". To the ancient Jjaro it was a bit of experimental apparatus, : like a particle accelerator Oh, that's fascinating. It reminds me of EV Nova's descriptive text on the Auroran 100 mm railgun outfit. : (Oh goddamnit, I just realized another plot weakness... I've got the trih : xeem on a ship that just happened to be in a star system that the Jjaro : would never consider performing "nova research" on. Grr). I haven't played that far yet, but, what if they were also carrying out experiments on how to contain Wr'kncacnters? That would explain why they had the trih xeem aboard. : And the Jjaro didn't just leave a bunch of trih xeems lying around. The Pfhor : found a couple and reverse-engineered them, like all their other : technology. It's a wonder they work at all, then. Maybe the failure rate on them is pretty high... : "S'pht Happens" is the branch level, and you just have to find a : different terminal in order to exit. (The path illuminates the color : green, leave white black in darkness... seek the one who knows you, not : the one who knows all...) Hint: a dam may block the path of a river, but : it clears the path to your victory. Hmm...thanks! : I'd really recommend getting to the end of Manipulated Dead, though; Yoss's : terminals are some of the best writing in the game. Just run like fsck... : you can't fight them. Take the same path you've taken before and just run, : run, run. When you reach the end they won't be able to get you anymore. Yossarian wrote those? Wow, hats off to you, man. They are good terminals - just that the problem with your bad ending levels is that I often get lost trying to find the right switches.

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	Oops, I did it again (or: more Eternal help, plz.)	rampancy	2/18/08 11:52 a.m.
	Re: Oops, I did it again (or: more Eternal help, p	Forrest of B.org	2/18/08 3:06 p.m.
	Re: Oops, I did it again (or: more Eternal help, p	rampancy	2/18/08 4:56 p.m.
	Re: Oops, I did it again (or: more Eternal help, p	Forrest of B.org	2/18/08 8:29 p.m.

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