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Re: Anyone home?

Posted By: thermoplyae Date: 1/25/07 8:48 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Anyone home? (Forrest of B.org)

: I heard a great line in a comedy skit the other day... something to the
: effect of: "When I first got started in grass-roots organizations,
: I'd always go up to the first alpha male or alpha female and say 'hey,
: I've got a great idea, why don't you guys do this...' and they'd always
: give me this look... I never quite got what it meant... so I'd go up to
: the next alpha and tell them 'hey, I've got a great idea, why don't you do
: this...' and there was that look again. It took me about a year or so to
: get it. That look meant 'Yes, that's a good idea. Why don't you do it?'
: And then after that, my whole philosophical outlook changed... and instead
: of going around to other people telling them my ideas and trying to get
: people to do them... I stopped mentioning my ideas at all in case I should
: be expected to do them myself."
: Full skit is here if anyone cares to watch it, it's quite funny (and
: informative to boot).
It's true, this is a sad side effect, but it doesn't tell the productive person's side of the story:
1) They have ideas too.
2) Because they're their ideas, they find them more interesting than yours by default.
And so by prioritization, they work on their own projects and hope that you find the time to work on your own. Of course, if your project /is/ more interesting than theirs (and you should count yourself lucky if this ever happens to you), that's when you pick up a handful of vagabonds and maybe one or two dedicated workers.
Simply stating, "It would be neat if..." is not enough. The idea actually has to /be/ neat. So neat that other people care enough to wish that idea was their own. And so if you really care about your project, don't wait around for someone else to do it for you. Everybody's busy.
Furthermore, actually beginning work on your project can generate two things:
1) Results. Passersby read an idea and they're like 'hey, cool' as they imagine a world in which it's true, the continue on their way. Passersby see the actual object and then make small modifications to make it better in their eyes.
2) Leadership. When people join, they have direction and someone to work under. This is part of what makes a project so hard to start; where do you begin? A project already begun at least has a chance of having some momentum. A fresh project has none.
I dunno. Like I said, this is a true statement, and a regrettable side effect...
... of being lazy.

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Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine weapon? Pfhorever 1/17/07 6:36 a.m.

Re: Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine wea Forrest of B.org 1/17/07 8:16 a.m.

Re: Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine wea Pfhorever 1/17/07 8:32 a.m.

Re: Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine wea Pfhorever 1/17/07 9:02 a.m.

Re: Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine wea SnowCrash 1/17/07 2:34 p.m.

Re: Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine wea Pfhorever 1/17/07 3:19 p.m.

Re: Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine wea SnowCrash 1/17/07 3:28 p.m.

Re: Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine wea Pfhorever 1/17/07 3:30 p.m.

Re: Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine wea Pfhorever 1/17/07 3:29 p.m.

I say go with the french! VIVA LA RESISTANCE! *NM* Johannes Gunnar 1/17/07 9:58 p.m.

Re: I say go with the french! VIVA LA RESISTANCE! Pfhorever 1/18/07 12:03 p.m.

Anyone home? Pfhorever 1/19/07 2:01 p.m.

Re: Anyone home? ukimalefu 1/19/07 6:54 p.m.

Re: Anyone home? Pfhorever 1/20/07 4:46 a.m.

Re: Anyone home? *LINK* *LINK* Pfhorever 1/20/07 7:34 a.m.

Re: Anyone home? thermoplyae 1/20/07 9:03 a.m.

Re: Anyone home? Pfhorever 1/20/07 9:39 a.m.

Re: Anyone home? thermoplyae 1/20/07 8:37 p.m.

Re: Anyone home? Pfhorever 1/25/07 1:00 p.m.

Re: Anyone home? thermoplyae 1/25/07 5:29 p.m.

Re: Anyone home? ukimalefu 1/25/07 6:21 p.m.

Re: Anyone home? thermoplyae 1/25/07 6:37 p.m.

Re: Anyone home? Forrest of B.org 1/25/07 6:50 p.m.

Re: Anyone home? thermoplyae 1/25/07 8:48 p.m.

On Projects and Passive Bystanders MrHen 1/26/07 5:31 a.m.

Re: On Projects and Passive Bystanders Forrest of B.org 1/26/07 8:52 a.m.

Me! All about me! MrHen 1/26/07 9:07 a.m.

Re: Me! All about me! Forrest of B.org 1/26/07 8:20 p.m.

I can take a look at it. :) MrHen 1/27/07 12:18 p.m.

Re: I can take a look at it. :) Forrest of B.org 1/28/07 4:40 p.m.

awesome. MrHen 1/29/07 5:44 a.m.

Just what IS needed for a project? (Very long!) RyokoTK 1/26/07 9:53 p.m.

Heartily seconded *NM* *NM* kyjel 1/26/07 10:05 p.m.

Maps and stories MrHen 1/27/07 12:41 p.m.

Re: Maps and stories kyjel 1/27/07 12:59 p.m.

Re: Maps and stories goran 1/27/07 6:28 p.m.

Re: Maps and stories RyokoTK 1/28/07 4:20 p.m.

slight correction... MrHen 1/29/07 5:50 a.m.

Re: slight correction... RyokoTK 1/29/07 6:20 a.m.

:) *NM* MrHen 1/29/07 8:43 a.m.

Re: Anyone home? goran 1/26/07 5:48 a.m.

Re: Anyone home? thermoplyae 1/26/07 6:46 a.m.

Re: Anyone home? goran 1/26/07 6:15 a.m.

haha, that link is awesome *NM* MrHen 1/26/07 8:11 a.m.

Re: Anyone home? Andrew Nagy 1/26/07 6:34 p.m.

Re: Anyone home? Forrest of B.org 1/26/07 8:26 p.m.

Re: Anyone home? Andrew Nagy 1/26/07 10:00 p.m.

we could if you LINKED it... *NM* MrHen 1/27/07 12:10 p.m.

Re: Anyone home? ukimalefu 1/20/07 11:00 a.m.

Re: Anyone home? Pfhorever 1/20/07 11:40 a.m.

Re: Anyone home? McNutcase 1/20/07 12:15 p.m.

Re: Anyone home? Pfhorever 1/20/07 12:20 p.m.

Re: Anyone home? McNutcase 1/20/07 12:23 p.m.

Re: Anyone home? Pfhorever 1/20/07 12:27 p.m.

Re: Anyone home? McNutcase 1/20/07 12:31 p.m.

I can proof websites MrHen 1/21/07 1:12 p.m.

Re: Anyone home? ukimalefu 1/20/07 4:51 p.m.

Re: Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine wea goran 1/17/07 9:23 a.m.

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: It's true, this is a sad side effect, but it doesn't tell the productive : person's side of the story: 1) They have ideas too. : 2) Because they're their ideas, they find them more interesting than yours by : default. : And so by prioritization, they work on their own projects and hope that you : find the time to work on your own. Of course, if your project /is/ more : interesting than theirs (and you should count yourself lucky if this ever : happens to you), that's when you pick up a handful of vagabonds and maybe : one or two dedicated workers. : Simply stating, "It would be neat if..." is not enough. The idea : actually has to /be/ neat. So neat that other people care enough to wish : that idea was their own. And so if you really care about your project, : don't wait around for someone else to do it for you. Everybody's busy. : Furthermore, actually beginning work on your project can generate two things: : 1) Results. Passersby read an idea and they're like 'hey, cool' as they : imagine a world in which it's true, the continue on their way. Passersby : see the actual object and then make small modifications to make it better : in their eyes. : 2) Leadership. When people join, they have direction and someone to work : under. This is part of what makes a project so hard to start; where do you : begin? A project already begun at least has a chance of having some : momentum. A fresh project has none. : I dunno. Like I said, this is a true statement, and a regrettable side : effect... : ... of being lazy.

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Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine weapon?	Pfhorever	1/17/07 6:36 a.m.
Re: Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine wea	Forrest of B.org	1/17/07 8:16 a.m.
Re: Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine wea	Pfhorever	1/17/07 8:32 a.m.
Re: Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine wea	Pfhorever	1/17/07 9:02 a.m.
Re: Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine wea	SnowCrash	1/17/07 2:34 p.m.
Re: Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine wea	Pfhorever	1/17/07 3:19 p.m.
Re: Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine wea	SnowCrash	1/17/07 3:28 p.m.
Re: Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine wea	Pfhorever	1/17/07 3:30 p.m.
Re: Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine wea	Pfhorever	1/17/07 3:29 p.m.
I say go with the french! VIVA LA RESISTANCE! NM	Johannes Gunnar	1/17/07 9:58 p.m.
Re: I say go with the french! VIVA LA RESISTANCE!	Pfhorever	1/18/07 12:03 p.m.
Anyone home?	Pfhorever	1/19/07 2:01 p.m.
Re: Anyone home?	ukimalefu	1/19/07 6:54 p.m.
Re: Anyone home?	Pfhorever	1/20/07 4:46 a.m.
Re: Anyone home? LINK LINK	Pfhorever	1/20/07 7:34 a.m.
Re: Anyone home?	thermoplyae	1/20/07 9:03 a.m.
Re: Anyone home?	Pfhorever	1/20/07 9:39 a.m.
Re: Anyone home?	thermoplyae	1/20/07 8:37 p.m.
Re: Anyone home?	Pfhorever	1/25/07 1:00 p.m.
Re: Anyone home?	thermoplyae	1/25/07 5:29 p.m.
Re: Anyone home?	ukimalefu	1/25/07 6:21 p.m.
Re: Anyone home?	thermoplyae	1/25/07 6:37 p.m.
Re: Anyone home?	Forrest of B.org	1/25/07 6:50 p.m.
Re: Anyone home?	thermoplyae	1/25/07 8:48 p.m.
On Projects and Passive Bystanders	MrHen	1/26/07 5:31 a.m.
Re: On Projects and Passive Bystanders	Forrest of B.org	1/26/07 8:52 a.m.
Me! All about me!	MrHen	1/26/07 9:07 a.m.
Re: Me! All about me!	Forrest of B.org	1/26/07 8:20 p.m.
I can take a look at it. :)	MrHen	1/27/07 12:18 p.m.
Re: I can take a look at it. :)	Forrest of B.org	1/28/07 4:40 p.m.
awesome.	MrHen	1/29/07 5:44 a.m.
Just what IS needed for a project? (Very long!)	RyokoTK	1/26/07 9:53 p.m.
Heartily seconded NM NM	kyjel	1/26/07 10:05 p.m.
Maps and stories	MrHen	1/27/07 12:41 p.m.
Re: Maps and stories	kyjel	1/27/07 12:59 p.m.
Re: Maps and stories	goran	1/27/07 6:28 p.m.
Re: Maps and stories	RyokoTK	1/28/07 4:20 p.m.
slight correction...	MrHen	1/29/07 5:50 a.m.
Re: slight correction...	RyokoTK	1/29/07 6:20 a.m.
:) NM	MrHen	1/29/07 8:43 a.m.
Re: Anyone home?	goran	1/26/07 5:48 a.m.
Re: Anyone home?	thermoplyae	1/26/07 6:46 a.m.
Re: Anyone home?	goran	1/26/07 6:15 a.m.
haha, that link is awesome NM	MrHen	1/26/07 8:11 a.m.
Re: Anyone home?	Andrew Nagy	1/26/07 6:34 p.m.
Re: Anyone home?	Forrest of B.org	1/26/07 8:26 p.m.
Re: Anyone home?	Andrew Nagy	1/26/07 10:00 p.m.
we could if you LINKED it... NM	MrHen	1/27/07 12:10 p.m.
Re: Anyone home?	ukimalefu	1/20/07 11:00 a.m.
Re: Anyone home?	Pfhorever	1/20/07 11:40 a.m.
Re: Anyone home?	McNutcase	1/20/07 12:15 p.m.
Re: Anyone home?	Pfhorever	1/20/07 12:20 p.m.
Re: Anyone home?	McNutcase	1/20/07 12:23 p.m.
Re: Anyone home?	Pfhorever	1/20/07 12:27 p.m.
Re: Anyone home?	McNutcase	1/20/07 12:31 p.m.
I can proof websites	MrHen	1/21/07 1:12 p.m.
Re: Anyone home?	ukimalefu	1/20/07 4:51 p.m.
Re: Anyone ever heard of the WMaiD fusion mine wea	goran	1/17/07 9:23 a.m.



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