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Re: *doesn't resist temptation of debate*
Posted By: dualDate: 8/20/05 10:47 p.m.

In Response To: Re: *doesn't resist temptation of debate* (Me_43)

: Certainly. This is somewhat remniscent of the film 'I heart huckabees' (No
: relation to the Halo 2 beast 'I love huckabees'; what the hell is a
: huckabee anyway?!), where one group says everything and everyone are one
: and the same...

: Indeed, one of the concepts that blew my mind some time ago was a lot like
: this, a la, there is no reason we should exist, and if we didn't, there'd
: be no us to realise this, that 'nothing' really would be nothing. The
: thought really does pwn your mind.

: I've been reading Biocosm, which explores some intruiging anthropic concepts,
: including the fact that there's millions of variables in physics, six of
: which are particularly important, and if they varied by the tiniest
: tiniest amount (usually something like 1 in 10^25 of their current value)
: the Universe would have come out completely differently and life would
: never have begun. The chances of all these factors being correct are
: just... not even worth mentioning. Let's just say 'hopeless'.

: Einstein said God (the creator, that is) does not play dice, and I am
: inclined to agree. If you extend the Newtonian-Einsteinian model a bit,
: the variations in the Universe and CMB from uniformity when it all began
: would have had to have followed some sort of pattern (otherwise they would
: be random, and that can't be right; when you think about it, there was
: nowhere for the 'randomness' to come from!) that can be defined quite
: simply with some maths, and as time goes on various forces (ones which
: can, again, be defined quite simply with some fairly easy math) affect
: this goo and form patterns... so if you had this formula you could decode
: the Universe.

: On the other hand, quantum physics complicates matters, and (snip, can't be
: bothered explaining lots and lots and lots of wacky ideas) means that the
: Universe would assemble itself around your view of it... but you're
: defined by this... quantum physics is whack...

: Anyway. With the hopeless odds, it seems probable that life would only 'see'
: universes which were hospitable to it, that is, our consciousness simply
: doesn't enter uninhabitable ones. But that means there has to be a
: consciousness to begin with, which isn't the result of a certain matter
: formation, and that can't be right...

: *dies*

Wow, that's pretty close to the conclusion I came up with after hearing that life was "unlikely" and a lot of thought. I'd post my other thoughts but it wouldn't add much, and, frankly, I'm too tired to articulate them properly at this hour(I tried).

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OMGthomas 8/19/05 1:55 p.m.
     Re: OMGukimalefu 8/19/05 2:19 p.m.
     Re: OMGkyjel 8/19/05 2:33 p.m.
     Re: OMGgoran 8/19/05 3:06 p.m.
           I'm going to resist the temptation of that debate. *NM*MrHen 8/19/05 5:02 p.m.
                 mysterious choice (plays x-files music) *NM*goran 8/20/05 3:33 a.m.
           *doesn't resist temptation of debate*Me_43 8/19/05 10:10 p.m.
                 Re: *doesn't resist temptation of debate*goran 8/20/05 3:29 a.m.
                       Re: *doesn't resist temptation of debate*Me_43 8/20/05 5:22 p.m.
                             Re: *doesn't resist temptation of debate*dual 8/20/05 10:47 p.m.
                                   Re: *doesn't resist temptation of debate*mt_mikal 8/21/05 2:16 a.m.
                             Re: *doesn't resist temptation of debate*goran 8/21/05 4:47 a.m.
                                   Re: *doesn't resist temptation of debate*Me_43 8/21/05 7:07 p.m.
                                         Re: *doesn't resist temptation of debate*Dave 8/22/05 12:40 a.m.
                                               Re: *doesn't resist temptation of debate*Me_43 8/22/05 1:13 a.m.
                                                     Re: *doesn't resist temptation of debate*Dave 8/22/05 3:11 a.m.
                                                           Re: *doesn't resist temptation of debate*Me_43 8/22/05 7:15 p.m.
                                                                 Re: *doesn't resist temptation of debate*Elliott dagen 8/23/05 2:09 p.m.
                                                                       Re: *doesn't resist temptation of debate*Me_43 8/23/05 7:56 p.m.
                       Re: *doesn't resist temptation of debate*C Lund 8/22/05 6:46 a.m.
                             Re: *doesn't resist temptation of debate*goran 8/22/05 9:40 a.m.
           Also not going to resist the arguementCpt. Sqweky 8/20/05 8:20 p.m.
                 Re: Also not going to resist the arguementgoran 8/21/05 4:24 a.m.
                 Re: Also not going to resist the arguementDave 8/22/05 12:43 a.m.
                       Re: Also not going to resist the arguementSteve Levinson 8/22/05 5:21 a.m.
                             Re: Also not going to resist the arguementDave 8/23/05 2:43 a.m.
           Re: OMGElliott dagen 8/21/05 11:15 a.m.
           if all your friends jump of a bridge... (v. long)MrHen 8/23/05 6:23 a.m.
                 Re: if all your friends jump of a bridge... (v. logoran 8/23/05 9:59 a.m.
                       Re: if all your friends jump of a bridge... (v. loVid Boi 8/23/05 1:04 p.m.
                       Re: if all your friends jump of a bridge... (v. loMrHen 9/1/05 10:00 a.m.
                             Re: if all your friends jump of a bridge... (v. logoran 9/2/05 2:30 a.m.
     Re: OMGblake37 8/19/05 3:19 p.m.
           Re: OMGukimalefu 8/19/05 9:50 p.m.
           Re: OMGAnon 8/19/05 10:05 p.m.
     Boring... nothing happened! *NM*D-M.A. 8/19/05 10:14 p.m.
     Re: OMGVid Boi 8/20/05 11:08 a.m.
           Re: OMGdual 8/20/05 10:55 p.m.
                 Re: OMGgoran 8/21/05 4:57 a.m.

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