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Re: Yes... and no.
Posted By: tomDate: 5/11/05 9:12 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Yes... and no. (Kanen Faud'r)

: The Marathon series contains thousands of lines of text for filling in
: backstory inside the game. The Halo series contains a few hundred lines of
: dialog and a lot of incidental one-liners. Much as I hate to disagree with
: Claude, if it doesn't make it into the game it doesn't count. The Marathon
: story, as experienced by the player, is much, much more sophisticated and
: complex than the Halo story (so far - maybe they'll finish it well.)

Claiming that the amount of story support is more or less complex by an order of magnitude is disingenuous. Most of the Marathon backstory has been interpreted, and thus created by the fans. How much of Gheritt White, or simulacrums, or rampancy, or the W'rkncacnter, or the Jjaro, or latin text, or any of that stuff has ever been commented on, much less confirmed, by Bungie? Yeah, those things are "in the game," as you say, but their meaning, importance, and interpretation have all come from the fans.

If there were a Halo community that cared to analyze the visual details of that game as thoroughly as Marathon fans have done to the textual details of theirs, you'd find that the depth of the stories are comparable. That level of analysis doesn't happen in the Halo community, and it certainly doesn't happen here, so the comparison of complexity is pointless.

I'm not saying that the Marathon story isn't as intricately developed and well-conceived as the readers and collaborators here think it is. I'm saying that without giving Halo 10+ years of the level of analysis and interpretation this site is famed for, you can't compare the two with any accuracy.

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Question...Andromeda_5[Kilo] 5/3/05 3:52 p.m.
     Yes. Covenentluke9 5/3/05 3:59 p.m.
           Re: Yes. CovenentJohn Molloy 7/20/05 4:32 p.m.
                 Re: Yes. CovenentYossarian 7/20/05 7:15 p.m.
                       Re: Yes. CovenentJohn Molloy 7/20/05 7:32 p.m.
                             Re: Yes. CovenentYossarian 7/20/05 7:54 p.m.
     Re: Question...•M 5/3/05 4:01 p.m.
           Re: Question...Bob-B-Q 5/3/05 5:56 p.m.
                 Re: Question...Johannes Gunnar 5/3/05 10:54 p.m.
                       *Waits for Forrest to show up* *NM*Reiginko 5/4/05 4:12 a.m.
                             Re: *Waits for Forrest to show up*Forrest of B.org 5/4/05 8:14 a.m.
                                   Re: *Waits for Forrest to show up*John Molloy 7/20/05 4:39 p.m.
                                         Re: *Waits for Forrest to show up*Forrest of B.org 7/20/05 4:52 p.m.
                                               Re: *Waits for Forrest to show up*John Molloy 7/20/05 5:06 p.m.
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                                                           Re: *Waits for Forrest to show up*John Molloy 7/20/05 7:26 p.m.
                                   Perhaps there's still a hopemaxbz 7/26/05 1:00 p.m.
                                         Re: Perhaps there's still a hopeJohannes Gunnar 7/26/05 1:44 p.m.
                                               Re: Perhaps there's still a hopeblake37 7/26/05 2:44 p.m.
                                         Re: Perhaps there's still a hopeLegacyTyphoon 7/28/05 1:08 p.m.
                                               Re: Perhaps there's still a hopeJohannes Gunnar 7/29/05 3:56 a.m.
                       Foe Hammer is Gandalf's sword! *NM*ukimalefu 5/4/05 5:45 p.m.
     Not a sequel - an updated, dumbed down Marathon *NM*Steve Levinson 5/4/05 4:16 a.m.
     Re: Question...Mister Chief 5/7/05 3:14 p.m.
           Re: Question...Mister Chief 5/7/05 3:16 p.m.
                 Re: Question...luke9 5/7/05 6:27 p.m.
                 I guess I'll chime in on thisSteve Levinson 5/8/05 4:23 a.m.
                       *solemnly nods in agreement* *NM*Yossarian 5/8/05 5:53 a.m.
                       Aye. Full agreement here. *NM*luke9 5/8/05 9:40 a.m.
                       OH MY GODVid Boi 5/9/05 12:31 a.m.
                             Maybe not, sounds more like a MicroSoft thing :-) *NM*D-M.A. 5/9/05 12:51 a.m.
                       Re: I guess I'll chime in on thisMister Chief 5/9/05 6:38 a.m.
                             Re: I guess I'll chime in on thisAndromeda_5[Kilo] 5/9/05 6:49 a.m.
                                   Ugh, you sound like ForceMorph! *NM*Bob-B-Q 5/9/05 7:12 a.m.
                                   Re: I guess I'll chime in on thisDeathmonger 5/9/05 8:59 a.m.
                                         My thoughts exactly... *NM*Bob-B-Q 5/9/05 10:13 a.m.
                                         Re: I guess I'll chime in on thisMister Chief 5/12/05 8:29 a.m.
                                               Re: I guess I'll chime in on thisSteve Levinson 5/12/05 1:45 p.m.
                                                     Re: I guess I'll chime in on thisReiginko 5/14/05 5:39 a.m.
                       Re: I guess I'll chime in on thisForrest of B.org 5/9/05 7:50 a.m.
                             Re: I guess I'll chime in on thisNick Hoad 5/9/05 12:40 p.m.
                                   Re: I guess I'll chime in on thisForrest of B.org 5/9/05 2:46 p.m.
                                         Re: I guess I'll chime in on thisAndromeda_5[Kilo] 5/9/05 5:11 p.m.
                                               Re: I guess I'll chime in on thisForrest of B.org 5/9/05 8:09 p.m.
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                                                           Re: I guess I'll chime in on thisVid Boi 5/10/05 4:56 a.m.
                                                           Give me a break! *NM*Steve Levinson 5/12/05 1:49 p.m.
                       Yes... and no.Claude Errera 5/10/05 5:16 a.m.
                             Re: Yes... and no.Kanen Faud'r 5/10/05 6:45 a.m.
                                   Re: Yes... and no. Indeedukimalefu 5/10/05 7:25 p.m.
                                         Re: Yes... and no. IndeedReiginko 5/10/05 10:00 p.m.
                                   Re: Yes... and no.tom 5/11/05 9:12 a.m.
                                         Bingo.Claude Errera 5/12/05 5:00 a.m.
                                               Re: Bingo.tom 5/13/05 9:09 a.m.
                                   Re: Yes... and no.Claude Errera 5/12/05 5:05 a.m.
                       Re: I guess I'll chime in on thisBrian Wise 5/12/05 9:34 p.m.
                             Re: I guess I'll chime in on thisJoBar 6/5/05 5:45 a.m.
                                   Re: I guess I'll chime in on thisAdam Ashwell 6/5/05 6:28 a.m.
                                         Re: I guess I'll chime in on thisJoBar 6/6/05 4:36 p.m.
                                               Re: I guess I'll chime in on thisKyjel 6/6/05 5:01 p.m.
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