Re: Speaking of MIDIs...


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Re: Speaking of MIDIs...

Posted By: Forrest of B.org Date: 4/26/05 5:26 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Speaking of MIDIs... (Craig Hardgrove)

: Thats actually kinda interesting... when you use Marathon Music Exploder and
: then try and play (in Quicktime) the .midis that come out, your computer
: uses the most recent Quicktime MIDI music instrument set, the one that
: comes with OS X or your OS of choice, to play them. When Apple changed the
: MIDI instrument set that came with the version of Quicktime that shipped
: with Marathon, it screwed up the way the Marathon .midis sound when you
: play them in Quicktime.
: When I exported them to .movs it seemed to maintan the original sound of the
: soundtrack that shipped with Marathon in 1994. I'm not sure if thats just
: my imagination or something else, but to me the .movs sound a lot like the
: originals sounded while I was playing the game.
: So anyway, thats why I have .movs on my site. Anyone with more knowledge than
: me is welcome to let me know if I'm crazy about them sounding more
: original then .midis.
So how exactly did you export them to MOVs? Exploder exports MIDIs, which play in your MIDI player (like QuickTime) with whatever instrument set its set to (like QTMI). Did you then convert those MIDIs into sampled audio in MOV files as played with the QuickTime 2 instrument set (which original Marathon used)? And why MOV then, instead of just some audio format (WAV, AIFF, MP3, etc)?
I've personally always been sad that some MOD-type format (perhaps something more standard, based off of MIDI) never took off. MOD, for those who don't know, was multitrack music like a MIDI file, basically "digital sheet music" that just says what notes to play with what instruments when, for how long, how loud, etc... but unlike MIDI, MOD had embedded instrument samples in the file. That way MOD files aren't dependant on you having an appropriately instrument set with your player; the player just plays the instruments built into the file when the music tracks in the same file tell it to.
By analogy, MIDI is like an HTML file marking where to put a bunch of JPEGs, and presuming you have all the right JPEGs to make the site look right... while MOD is the HTML file, WITH the JPEGs included. Which one makes more sense, really?

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Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI Craig Hardgrove 4/21/05 3:29 p.m.

Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI Ender 4/21/05 4:37 p.m.

Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI Forrest of B.org 4/21/05 7:46 p.m.

Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI Craig Hardgrove 4/21/05 8:45 p.m.

Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI ukimalefu 4/21/05 9:32 p.m.

Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI Craig Hardgrove 4/22/05 3:37 a.m.

Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI Enkidu 4/22/05 3:41 a.m.

Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI Craig Hardgrove 4/22/05 5:01 a.m.

By the way... Vid Boi 4/24/05 1:42 p.m.

Re: By the way... Forrest of B.org 4/24/05 5:11 p.m.

Re: By the way... ukimalefu 4/24/05 6:33 p.m.

Speaking of MIDIs... Deathmonger 4/24/05 7:05 p.m.

Re: Speaking of MIDIs... Craig Hardgrove 4/24/05 8:32 p.m.

Re: Speaking of MIDIs... Deathmonger 4/26/05 12:15 p.m.

Re: Speaking of MIDIs... Craig Hardgrove 4/26/05 3:07 p.m.

Re: Speaking of MIDIs... Forrest of B.org 4/26/05 5:26 p.m.

Re: Speaking of MIDIs... Vid Boi 4/26/05 10:43 p.m.

Re: Speaking of MIDIs... Craig Hardgrove 4/27/05 4:20 a.m.

Re: Speaking of MIDIs... Vid Boi 4/27/05 11:42 p.m.

Re: Speaking of MIDIs... Craig Hardgrove 5/17/05 10:02 p.m.

Re: Speaking of MIDIs... Johannes Gunnar 5/18/05 6:45 a.m.

Re: Speaking of MIDIs... Vid Boi 5/18/05 8:37 a.m.

Re: Speaking of MIDIs... Craig Hardgrove 5/18/05 11:18 a.m.

Re: Speaking of MIDIs... buh 7/11/05 4:24 a.m.

What music? Steve Levinson 7/11/05 4:50 a.m.

Re: What music? buh 7/11/05 8:08 a.m.

Re: What music? Johannes Gunnar 7/11/05 9:25 a.m.

Excellent! *NM* Vid Boi 4/26/05 7:37 a.m.

Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI D-M.A. 4/21/05 9:25 p.m.

Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI Keith Palmer 4/22/05 12:13 p.m.

Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI redmage13 7/11/05 1:43 p.m.

Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI Johannes Gunnar 7/11/05 3:51 p.m.

Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI blake37 7/11/05 5:38 p.m.

Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI redmage13 7/12/05 8:10 a.m.

Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI Johannes Gunnar 7/12/05 8:42 a.m.

Tabs are back up!!! Johannes Gunnar 7/12/05 3:21 p.m.

Re: Tabs are back up!!! Redmage13 7/12/05 6:43 p.m.

Re: Tabs are back up!!! Johannes Gunnar 7/13/05 1:04 a.m.

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: So how exactly did you export them to MOVs? Exploder exports MIDIs, which : play in your MIDI player (like QuickTime) with whatever instrument set its : set to (like QTMI). Did you then convert those MIDIs into sampled audio in : MOV files as played with the QuickTime 2 instrument set (which original : Marathon used)? And why MOV then, instead of just some audio format (WAV, : AIFF, MP3, etc)? : I've personally always been sad that some MOD-type format (perhaps something : more standard, based off of MIDI) never took off. MOD, for those who don't : know, was multitrack music like a MIDI file, basically "digital sheet : music" that just says what notes to play with what instruments when, : for how long, how loud, etc... but unlike MIDI, MOD had embedded : instrument samples in the file. That way MOD files aren't dependant on you : having an appropriately instrument set with your player; the player just : plays the instruments built into the file when the music tracks in the : same file tell it to. : By analogy, MIDI is like an HTML file marking where to put a bunch of JPEGs, : and presuming you have all the right JPEGs to make the site look right... : while MOD is the HTML file, WITH the JPEGs included. Which one makes more : sense, really?

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Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI	Craig Hardgrove	4/21/05 3:29 p.m.
Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI	Ender	4/21/05 4:37 p.m.
Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI	Forrest of B.org	4/21/05 7:46 p.m.
Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI	Craig Hardgrove	4/21/05 8:45 p.m.
Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI	ukimalefu	4/21/05 9:32 p.m.
Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI	Craig Hardgrove	4/22/05 3:37 a.m.
Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI	Enkidu	4/22/05 3:41 a.m.
Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI	Craig Hardgrove	4/22/05 5:01 a.m.
By the way...	Vid Boi	4/24/05 1:42 p.m.
Re: By the way...	Forrest of B.org	4/24/05 5:11 p.m.
Re: By the way...	ukimalefu	4/24/05 6:33 p.m.
Speaking of MIDIs...	Deathmonger	4/24/05 7:05 p.m.
Re: Speaking of MIDIs...	Craig Hardgrove	4/24/05 8:32 p.m.
Re: Speaking of MIDIs...	Deathmonger	4/26/05 12:15 p.m.
Re: Speaking of MIDIs...	Craig Hardgrove	4/26/05 3:07 p.m.
Re: Speaking of MIDIs...	Forrest of B.org	4/26/05 5:26 p.m.
Re: Speaking of MIDIs...	Vid Boi	4/26/05 10:43 p.m.
Re: Speaking of MIDIs...	Craig Hardgrove	4/27/05 4:20 a.m.
Re: Speaking of MIDIs...	Vid Boi	4/27/05 11:42 p.m.
Re: Speaking of MIDIs...	Craig Hardgrove	5/17/05 10:02 p.m.
Re: Speaking of MIDIs...	Johannes Gunnar	5/18/05 6:45 a.m.
Re: Speaking of MIDIs...	Vid Boi	5/18/05 8:37 a.m.
Re: Speaking of MIDIs...	Craig Hardgrove	5/18/05 11:18 a.m.
Re: Speaking of MIDIs...	buh	7/11/05 4:24 a.m.
What music?	Steve Levinson	7/11/05 4:50 a.m.
Re: What music?	buh	7/11/05 8:08 a.m.
Re: What music?	Johannes Gunnar	7/11/05 9:25 a.m.
Excellent! NM	Vid Boi	4/26/05 7:37 a.m.
Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI	D-M.A.	4/21/05 9:25 p.m.
Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI	Keith Palmer	4/22/05 12:13 p.m.
Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI	redmage13	7/11/05 1:43 p.m.
Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI	Johannes Gunnar	7/11/05 3:51 p.m.
Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI	blake37	7/11/05 5:38 p.m.
Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI	redmage13	7/12/05 8:10 a.m.
Re: Acoustically Leela -- but still MIDI	Johannes Gunnar	7/12/05 8:42 a.m.
Tabs are back up!!!	Johannes Gunnar	7/12/05 3:21 p.m.
Re: Tabs are back up!!!	Redmage13	7/12/05 6:43 p.m.
Re: Tabs are back up!!!	Johannes Gunnar	7/13/05 1:04 a.m.



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