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Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter

Posted By: Tyler Date: 1/17/05 2:52 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter (Andromeda_5[Kilo])

: I never realy understood the concept of the pattern buffers. Do they save the
: molecular and electrical structures of the body and mind? Or do they
: simply reverse time and make the character become reformed back in the
: past, where he's good and healthy?
: Forgive me if I'm asking stupid questions, I have yet to play Marathon
: Infinity.
I beleive, in means of reality and Bungie's choices, needed a save point where a player would save and be able to reappear after dieing a few thousand times. They called it a pattern buffer and gave some sort of scientific explanation to it'd have some meaning rather than it being a big screen saying "SAVE HERE" in big red letters.
Or, it might have been like it says in the manual, the Biochemielectrical reading were recorded onto the computer for later ressurection, but I find a few things wrong with this concept.
If your biochemielectrical (lets just say Bio readings) were stored to be ressurected for later in the future, if ressurected later on after you died, would there be someway for the pattern buffer to recognize that your dead?
And if you were ressurected, wouldn't everything you killed be dead, and you'd walk around and find a bunch of dead bodies that the copy may have never killed, so getting around would be easier than doingthe same thing over... and over... and over..
But then it could be like on Star Trek, on DS9, the Dominion had leaders, the Vorta, ressurected themselves after every time their previous clone was dead. They had their memories restored after every time they died. Weyoun was killed Seven times (ooOOooo) and after evrry death he remembered how he died and everythingbefore that. This may have been also consistant with the Marathon Marine. Maybe since the player has enhancements, like a special plug into the rechargers, he may have a special plug to put into the pattern buffer to remember how strong his sheilds were and such, and have a monitor to notify if the marine had been killed. And then after evrytime they read a flatline, they'd pump out another marine.
But one thing that makes everything confusing, how does this make everything you killed the time before you were brought back be alive again? Lets look at this programming-wise. The engine may have not been able to do something like this, so therefore we kind of restart after every time we die. This also means we don't have weak enemies and try and gain/lose a certain amount of lives, which would've made gameplay a bit more difficult, and did not add to the story (reffering to Infinity's FInal Screen, "you died a thousand times" etc).
Thats my two cents.......

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: I beleive, in means of reality and Bungie's choices, needed a save point : where a player would save and be able to reappear after dieing a few : thousand times. They called it a pattern buffer and gave some sort of : scientific explanation to it'd have some meaning rather than it being a : big screen saying "SAVE HERE" in big red letters. : Or, it might have been like it says in the manual, the Biochemielectrical : reading were recorded onto the computer for later ressurection, but I find : a few things wrong with this concept. : If your biochemielectrical (lets just say Bio readings) were stored to be : ressurected for later in the future, if ressurected later on after you : died, would there be someway for the pattern buffer to recognize that your : dead? : And if you were ressurected, wouldn't everything you killed be dead, and : you'd walk around and find a bunch of dead bodies that the copy may have : never killed, so getting around would be easier than doingthe same thing : over... and over... and over.. : But then it could be like on Star Trek, on DS9, the Dominion had leaders, the : Vorta, ressurected themselves after every time their previous clone was : dead. They had their memories restored after every time they died. Weyoun : was killed Seven times (ooOOooo) and after evrry death he remembered how : he died and everythingbefore that. This may have been also consistant with : the Marathon Marine. Maybe since the player has enhancements, like a : special plug into the rechargers, he may have a special plug to put into : the pattern buffer to remember how strong his sheilds were and such, and : have a monitor to notify if the marine had been killed. And then after : evrytime they read a flatline, they'd pump out another marine. : But one thing that makes everything confusing, how does this make everything : you killed the time before you were brought back be alive again? Lets look : at this programming-wise. The engine may have not been able to do : something like this, so therefore we kind of restart after every time we : die. This also means we don't have weak enemies and try and gain/lose a : certain amount of lives, which would've made gameplay a bit more : difficult, and did not add to the story (reffering to Infinity's FInal : Screen, "you died a thousand times" etc). : Thats my two cents.......

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Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter	Marble Legacy	1/13/05 1:52 p.m.
Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter	Adam Ashwell	1/13/05 2:19 p.m.
Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter	Malakite	1/13/05 3:12 p.m.
Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter	ukimalefu	1/13/05 4:08 p.m.
Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter	Malakite	1/13/05 4:17 p.m.
Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter	Tyler	1/13/05 5:18 p.m.
Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter	Cheerful	1/13/05 11:02 p.m.
Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter	ipH	1/14/05 2:31 a.m.
LOL - Clever :^) NM	Steve Levinson	1/14/05 6:17 a.m.
Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter	Marble Legacy	1/14/05 12:55 p.m.
Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter	Cheerful	1/15/05 4:49 p.m.
Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter	Roguexcx	1/14/05 11:18 a.m.
Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter	ipH	1/14/05 5:13 p.m.
Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter	Andromeda_5[Kilo]	1/15/05 5:42 p.m.
Wolf3D is our preference	Nraw of Clan Elyk	1/16/05 1:08 a.m.
Re: Wolf3D is our preference	Andromeda_5[Kilo]	1/16/05 3:30 p.m.
Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter	Andrew Nagy	1/16/05 7:27 p.m.
Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter	Andromeda_5[Kilo]	1/17/05 7:14 a.m.
Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter	ipH	1/17/05 7:20 a.m.
Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter	Tyler	1/17/05 2:52 p.m.
Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter	Andrew Nagy	1/18/05 4:26 a.m.
Re: Doom sucks! Input from a Doom supporter	ipH	1/17/05 7:14 a.m.



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