Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer?


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Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer?

Posted By: Ernie Date: 5/21/04 7:28 p.m.
In Response To: Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer? (Andrew Nagy)

: Maybe in some old versions of M1A1 that I probably still have. I don't think
: REB ever got the vertical error right, though. The projectiles spread in a
: circle/cone instead of a line/triangle.

I've yet to start serious work on the hybrid enforcer monster sprite (the colortables conflict something horrible... I've got to find a work around) - but I've encountered another issue:
No matter how hard I try to replicate the original firing visuals and speed of the M1 enforcer weapon, it won't work.
I've tried sourcing the original M1 physics model, as well as directly copying REB's Physics from M1A1 - nothing functions correctly. I think it's a side effect of the bloody Rubicon application. Arg. I ran into a similar issue with trying to modify the Fission rifle into a dual fisted fission pistil setup.

: I don't think REB ever got the vertical error right, though.
I found that it's not *possibly* to get the firing right... there isn't an z axis modifier in one of the fields in the M2/Minf game engine. I suppose they thought it wasn't necessary.
The only result I can achieve is a huge burst of random particles, or a concentrated, horizontal line of them, concentrated around the players target.
These particles (thanks to some part of the Modified Rubicon app I'm working with for WmaiD) are only emitted in a timed "Bang! -...- Bang! -...- Bang!-...- " independent of EITHER the physics model OR the shape file. All the while, the firing sequence plays repeatedly - and blindly - fast.
After working on this for the past 9 hours... I am a bit flustered.
So: What does everyone think of an weapon that appears similar to the M1 Enforcer weapon, but has wildly different firing rates?
A dual fisted option, with a lower firing rate for both?
Or in keeping with the single handed look, - a secondary trigger that releases a huge spread of 8-12 particles?
I'd like people's input / other weapon attack ideas on this.
Regards,
-Blayne [ernie]

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M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer? Ernie 5/18/04 10:55 p.m.

Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer? the Battle Cat 5/19/04 5:17 a.m.

Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer? Cheerful 5/19/04 6:34 a.m.

Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer? Mista_B 5/19/04 7:50 a.m.

Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer? Bob-B-Q 5/19/04 11:53 a.m.

Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer? Forrest of B.org 5/19/04 7:58 a.m.

Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer? Ernie 5/19/04 1:42 p.m.

Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer? Mista_B 5/19/04 2:33 p.m.

Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer? Forrest of B.org 5/19/04 7:15 p.m.

Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer? Andrew Nagy 5/20/04 8:51 a.m.

Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer? Ernie 5/21/04 7:28 p.m.

Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer? Mista_B 5/21/04 9:17 p.m.

Interesting...Solutions bring new issues! Ernie 5/21/04 9:51 p.m.

Hybrid Enforcer Pics, plus something different PIC Ernie 5/22/04 4:44 p.m.

Colortable question... Ernie 5/22/04 4:48 p.m.

Re: Colortable question... Mista_B 5/22/04 5:45 p.m.

Oh, and "B" *NM* Mista_B 5/22/04 5:46 p.m.

Re: Colortable question... Forrest of B.org 5/22/04 6:19 p.m.

Re: Colortable question... Andrew Nagy 5/23/04 11:45 a.m.

Re: Colortable question... Forrest of B.org 5/23/04 7:12 p.m.

Re: Colortable question... goran 5/23/04 1:14 a.m.

Re: Colortable question... goran 5/23/04 1:15 a.m.

Re: M2/M00 Clut Modifier v1.2.3 �M 5/23/04 2:16 a.m.

Re: Hybrid Enforcer Pics, plus something different Forrest of B.org 5/22/04 5:22 p.m.

Re: Hybrid Enforcer Pics, plus something different ukimalefu 5/22/04 7:03 p.m.

Version 2 *NM* the Battle Cat 5/23/04 5:26 a.m.

Likewise *NM* Steve Levinson 5/23/04 7:31 a.m.

The blue one! Callie21V 5/23/04 8:14 a.m.

Re: The blue one! Ernie 5/23/04 11:51 p.m.

Re: The blue one! Mista_B 5/24/04 6:50 a.m.

Re: The blue one! Ernie 5/25/04 8:44 a.m.

Re: The blue one! the Battle Cat 5/24/04 5:18 a.m.

Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer? Anaphiel 5/19/04 11:47 a.m.

Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer? Mista_B 5/19/04 12:27 p.m.

Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer? Callie21V 5/19/04 12:37 p.m.

*got wowed* :-) *NM* Mista_B 5/19/04 1:02 p.m.

Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer? ukimalefu 5/19/04 6:37 p.m.

*gets wowed, again* *NM* Mista_B 5/19/04 7:24 p.m.

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: : I've yet to start serious work on the hybrid enforcer monster sprite (the : colortables conflict something horrible... I've got to find a work around) : - but I've encountered another issue: No matter how hard I try to : replicate the original firing visuals and speed of the M1 enforcer weapon, : it won't work. : I've tried sourcing the original M1 physics model, as well as directly : copying REB's Physics from M1A1 - nothing functions correctly. I think : it's a side effect of the bloody Rubicon application. Arg . I ran into : a similar issue with trying to modify the Fission rifle into a dual fisted : fission pistil setup. : : I found that it's not *possibly* to get the firing right... there isn't an z : axis modifier in one of the fields in the M2/Minf game engine. I suppose : they thought it wasn't necessary. : The only result I can achieve is a huge burst of random particles, or a : concentrated, horizontal line of them, concentrated around the players : target. : These particles (thanks to some part of the Modified Rubicon app I'm working : with for WmaiD) are only emitted in a timed "Bang! -...- Bang! -...- : Bang!-...- " independent of EITHER the physics model OR the shape : file. All the while, the firing sequence plays repeatedly - and blindly - : fast. : After working on this for the past 9 hours... I am a bit flustered. : So: What does everyone think of an weapon that appears similar to the M1 : Enforcer weapon, but has wildly different firing rates? : A dual fisted option, with a lower firing rate for both? : Or in keeping with the single handed look, - a secondary trigger that : releases a huge spread of 8-12 particles? : I'd like people's input / other weapon attack ideas on this. : Regards, : -Blayne [ernie]

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	Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer?
	Posted By: Ernie	Date: 5/21/04 7:28 p.m.
	In Response To: Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer? (Andrew Nagy) : Maybe in some old versions of M1A1 that I probably still have. I don't think : REB ever got the vertical error right, though. The projectiles spread in a : circle/cone instead of a line/triangle. I've yet to start serious work on the hybrid enforcer monster sprite (the colortables conflict something horrible... I've got to find a work around) - but I've encountered another issue: No matter how hard I try to replicate the original firing visuals and speed of the M1 enforcer weapon, it won't work. I've tried sourcing the original M1 physics model, as well as directly copying REB's Physics from M1A1 - nothing functions correctly. I think it's a side effect of the bloody Rubicon application. *Arg. I ran into a similar issue with trying to modify the Fission rifle into a dual fisted fission pistil setup. : I don't think REB ever got the vertical error right, though. I found that it's not possibly* to get the firing right... there isn't an z axis modifier in one of the fields in the M2/Minf game engine. I suppose they thought it wasn't necessary. The only result I can achieve is a huge burst of random particles, or a concentrated, horizontal line of them, concentrated around the players target. These particles (thanks to some part of the Modified Rubicon app I'm working with for WmaiD) are only emitted in a timed "Bang! -...- Bang! -...- Bang!-...- " independent of EITHER the physics model OR the shape file. All the while, the firing sequence plays repeatedly - and blindly - fast. After working on this for the past 9 hours... I am a bit flustered. So: What does everyone think of an weapon that appears similar to the M1 Enforcer weapon, but has wildly different firing rates? A dual fisted option, with a lower firing rate for both? Or in keeping with the single handed look, - a secondary trigger that releases a huge spread of 8-12 particles? I'd like people's input / other weapon attack ideas on this. Regards, -Blayne [ernie]

M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer?	Ernie	5/18/04 10:55 p.m.
Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer?	the Battle Cat	5/19/04 5:17 a.m.
Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer?	Cheerful	5/19/04 6:34 a.m.
Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer?	Mista_B	5/19/04 7:50 a.m.
Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer?	Bob-B-Q	5/19/04 11:53 a.m.
Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer?	Forrest of B.org	5/19/04 7:58 a.m.
Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer?	Ernie	5/19/04 1:42 p.m.
Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer?	Mista_B	5/19/04 2:33 p.m.
Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer?	Forrest of B.org	5/19/04 7:15 p.m.
Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer?	Andrew Nagy	5/20/04 8:51 a.m.
Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer?	Ernie	5/21/04 7:28 p.m.
Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer?	Mista_B	5/21/04 9:17 p.m.
Interesting...Solutions bring new issues!	Ernie	5/21/04 9:51 p.m.
Hybrid Enforcer Pics, plus something different PIC	Ernie	5/22/04 4:44 p.m.
Colortable question...	Ernie	5/22/04 4:48 p.m.
Re: Colortable question...	Mista_B	5/22/04 5:45 p.m.
Oh, and "B" NM	Mista_B	5/22/04 5:46 p.m.
Re: Colortable question...	Forrest of B.org	5/22/04 6:19 p.m.
Re: Colortable question...	Andrew Nagy	5/23/04 11:45 a.m.
Re: Colortable question...	Forrest of B.org	5/23/04 7:12 p.m.
Re: Colortable question...	goran	5/23/04 1:14 a.m.
Re: Colortable question...	goran	5/23/04 1:15 a.m.
Re: M2/M00 Clut Modifier v1.2.3	�M	5/23/04 2:16 a.m.
Re: Hybrid Enforcer Pics, plus something different	Forrest of B.org	5/22/04 5:22 p.m.
Re: Hybrid Enforcer Pics, plus something different	ukimalefu	5/22/04 7:03 p.m.
Version 2 NM	the Battle Cat	5/23/04 5:26 a.m.
Likewise NM	Steve Levinson	5/23/04 7:31 a.m.
The blue one!	Callie21V	5/23/04 8:14 a.m.
Re: The blue one!	Ernie	5/23/04 11:51 p.m.
Re: The blue one!	Mista_B	5/24/04 6:50 a.m.
Re: The blue one!	Ernie	5/25/04 8:44 a.m.
Re: The blue one!	the Battle Cat	5/24/04 5:18 a.m.
Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer?	Anaphiel	5/19/04 11:47 a.m.
Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer?	Mista_B	5/19/04 12:27 p.m.
Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer?	Callie21V	5/19/04 12:37 p.m.
got wowed :-) NM	Mista_B	5/19/04 1:02 p.m.
Re: M1 Enforcer weapon on M2 Enforcer?	ukimalefu	5/19/04 6:37 p.m.
gets wowed, again NM	Mista_B	5/19/04 7:24 p.m.



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	Message: : : I've yet to start serious work on the hybrid enforcer monster sprite (the : colortables conflict something horrible... I've got to find a work around) : - but I've encountered another issue: No matter how hard I try to : replicate the original firing visuals and speed of the M1 enforcer weapon, : it won't work. : I've tried sourcing the original M1 physics model, as well as directly : copying REB's Physics from M1A1 - nothing functions correctly. I think : it's a side effect of the bloody Rubicon application. Arg . I ran into : a similar issue with trying to modify the Fission rifle into a dual fisted : fission pistil setup. : : I found that it's not possibly to get the firing right... there isn't an z : axis modifier in one of the fields in the M2/Minf game engine. I suppose : they thought it wasn't necessary. : The only result I can achieve is a huge burst of random particles, or a : concentrated, horizontal line of them, concentrated around the players : target. : These particles (thanks to some part of the Modified Rubicon app I'm working : with for WmaiD) are only emitted in a timed "Bang! -...- Bang! -...- : Bang!-...- " independent of EITHER the physics model OR the shape : file. All the while, the firing sequence plays repeatedly - and blindly - : fast. : After working on this for the past 9 hours... I am a bit flustered. : So: What does everyone think of an weapon that appears similar to the M1 : Enforcer weapon, but has wildly different firing rates? : A dual fisted option, with a lower firing rate for both? : Or in keeping with the single handed look, - a secondary trigger that : releases a huge spread of 8-12 particles? : I'd like people's input / other weapon attack ideas on this. : Regards, : -Blayne [ernie]
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