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Re: This isn't scientific stuff.
Posted By: thebruce0 <g.may@thebruce.net>Date: 1/15/13 9:28 a.m.

In Response To: Re: This isn't scientific stuff. (uberfoop)


: ...What?

: I wasn't comparing scale. And again, I never directed my argument in
: particular at campers. Your argument was that if a game developer
: impliments a feature that encourages people to play in ways which make the
: game less fun for others, it's entirely the fault of the community and not
: at all the fault of the game developer. When I used the "arson"
: example, it was not to say that playing obnoxiously in a video game is as
: bad as enabling arson, but rather to say that justifying the developer by
: pointing blame exclusively at the player in this context uses a sort of
: logic that could be used to justify all sorts of irresponsible or stupid
: things that are detrimental to games/society/whatever, regardless of how
: bad or trivial they were.
: My argument never had anything to do with the scale of what was being
: discussed, but rather with the form of argument you were taking.

: Here, I'll make the same point in different terms: If a parent gives their
: child a ton of candy, is the parent not responsible at all when the child
: winds up scarfing a ton of it down and feeling sick later?

First, bait and switch. Equivocating, through analogy, that the one who enables an arsonist is on par with a developer implementing a game mechanic. Arson is a known felony. Taking advantage of a game mechanic is not. It's a troll-worthy argument.

Second, the game developer implemented a whole lot of different elements and strategies giving the player a choice of tactics. So the analogy could be better served as a store that sells matches which the arsonist decided to purchase to commit his crime. Is the store complicit in the crime? Are the matches to blame because they're the most efficient tool (arguably) to commit arson? Should matches be banned from stores?

Third, ooooooh boy, comparing boltshot kills to arson is an argument that opens the door to loads of other very very sensitive topics. Let's just keep it to the level of "video game play strategies" - which was WhoLikesChicken's point.

Fourth, it's more like a parent who lays out a whole bunch of edible items on a table for their 8 children, where one or two of them chooses to take most of the candy and the parent doesn't stop them. The others might complain because they don't get any the candy, but the parent can decide whether they feel it's more important in this case to heed the upset children and provide more candy for them because they want their children to be happy, or perhaps help them see a bigger picture, and let the children experience whatever consequences they may receive, or lessons they should learn (Too much candy gives you an upset stomach? Or sometimes you don't always get what you want? Maybe there's not enough candy to actual rot their teeth in this case so taking the candy away isn't a priority? ...etc)
Who knows.
Again, it's not a perfect analogy. None are.

Fifth, I need to go buy some more munchies to nibble on at my work desk...

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     Sorry 343i, but your blue flames don't work on mePyroSporker16 1/9/13 11:33 p.m.
           Re: Sorry 343i, but your blue flames don't work onKalamari 1/9/13 11:47 p.m.
           Re: Sorry 343i, but your blue flames don't work onGrimBrother One 1/10/13 12:09 a.m.
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           Re: Sorry 343i, but your blue flames don't work onBryan Newman 1/10/13 12:44 a.m.
           Agreed. *NM*Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316) 1/10/13 6:46 a.m.
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     "DLC fiascos?"NsU Soldier 1/10/13 12:10 a.m.
           Re: "DLC fiascos?"GrimBrother One 1/10/13 12:14 a.m.
                 Re: "DLC fiascos?"Bry 1/10/13 3:34 a.m.
                       I missed something I thinkRevenant1988 1/10/13 7:35 a.m.
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                                   To clarifyBry 1/10/13 9:03 a.m.
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           Re: "DLC fiascos?"uberfoop 1/10/13 12:15 a.m.
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           Frankie was right...munky-058 1/10/13 12:49 a.m.
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                                               Wu is a cool man. Boltshot is still OP.NsU Soldier 1/11/13 8:44 a.m.
                                                     Re: Wu is a cool man. Boltshot is still OP.Louis Wu 1/11/13 11:40 a.m.
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                                                     More stats, and from a more frequent MM player...munky-058 1/11/13 1:45 p.m.
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                                                                 Re: Your stats are nice. Boltshot is still OP.Louis Wu 1/11/13 6:35 p.m.
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                                                                             Re: Your stats are nice. Boltshot is still OP.munky-058 1/11/13 8:21 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Your stats are nice. Boltshot is still OP.DEEP NNN 1/11/13 8:29 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Your stats are nice. Boltshot is still OP.Avateur 1/11/13 8:45 p.m.
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                                                                             Re: Your stats are nice. Boltshot is still OP.Ragashingo 1/11/13 9:30 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Your stats are nice. Boltshot is still OP.NsU Soldier 1/11/13 9:58 p.m.
                                                                                         Heh. *NM*Ragashingo 1/11/13 10:57 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Your stats are nice. Boltshot is still OP.Avateur 1/11/13 9:33 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Your stats are nice. Boltshot is still OP.Avateur 1/11/13 9:35 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Your stats are nice. Boltshot is still OP.NsU Soldier 1/11/13 9:48 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Your stats are nice. Boltshot is still OP.Louis Wu 1/12/13 8:48 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Your stats are nice. Boltshot is still OP.munky-058 1/11/13 8:16 p.m.
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                                               Re: I love you, Wu.Phoenix_9286 1/12/13 6:41 p.m.
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                                                     ^^This.Louis Wu 1/11/13 7:35 a.m.
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                                               Maybe I asked the wrong question.Louis Wu 1/12/13 9:04 a.m.
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                                                                                         Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.NsU Soldier 1/13/13 9:04 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.yakaman 1/14/13 9:19 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.General Vagueness 1/14/13 7:16 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.NsU Soldier 1/14/13 11:46 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.yakaman 1/15/13 12:17 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.thebruce0 1/15/13 8:58 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.Louis Wu 1/15/13 10:40 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.Revenant1988 1/15/13 10:53 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.thebruce0 1/15/13 1:41 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.Avateur 1/13/13 8:03 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.thebruce0 1/15/13 9:03 a.m.
                                                                 HBO: Studies show 117% of statistics are made upGeneral Vagueness 1/12/13 7:56 p.m.
                                                                       Re: HBO: Studies show 117% of statistics are made uberfoop 1/12/13 8:03 p.m.
                                                                             Re: HBO: Studies show 117% of statistics are madeZackDark 1/12/13 9:20 p.m.
                                                                                   HBO: Studies show I will not sleepbreitzen 1/13/13 1:06 a.m.
                                                     Re: Maybe I asked the wrong question.mastrbiggy 1/13/13 7:04 a.m.
                                                     This isn't scientific stuff.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316) 1/13/13 8:46 a.m.
                                                           Re: This isn't scientific stuff.General Vagueness 1/13/13 11:47 a.m.
                                                                 Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316) 1/13/13 12:26 p.m.
                                                                       Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Louis Wu 1/13/13 1:01 p.m.
                                                                             Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316) 1/13/13 1:26 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Louis Wu 1/13/13 2:26 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Bry 1/13/13 2:34 p.m.
                                                                                         I've been waiting for someone else to say thisRevenant1988 1/13/13 4:20 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: I've been waiting for someone else to say thisAvateur 1/13/13 8:20 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: I've been waiting for someone else to say thisRevenant1988 1/13/13 8:45 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: I've been waiting for someone else to say thisZackDark 1/13/13 9:03 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: I've been waiting for someone else to say thisBry 1/13/13 9:50 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: I've been waiting for someone else to say thisBry 1/13/13 9:13 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: This isn't scientific stuff.NsU Soldier 1/13/13 9:03 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Bry 1/13/13 9:40 p.m.
                                                           Re: This isn't scientific stuff.WhoLikesChicken 1/14/13 7:20 p.m.
                                                                 Re: This isn't scientific stuff.uberfoop 1/14/13 7:43 p.m.
                                                                       Re: This isn't scientific stuff.WhoLikesChicken 1/15/13 12:12 a.m.
                                                                             Re: This isn't scientific stuff.uberfoop 1/15/13 12:26 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: This isn't scientific stuff.WhoLikesChicken 1/15/13 12:39 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: This isn't scientific stuff.uberfoop 1/15/13 12:57 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316) 1/15/13 1:26 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: This isn't scientific stuff.thebruce0 1/15/13 9:28 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: This isn't scientific stuff.NsU Soldier 1/15/13 10:51 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: This isn't scientific stuff.uberfoop 1/15/13 11:55 a.m.
                                                                                                           Re: This isn't scientific stuff. *LONG*WhoLikesChicken 1/15/13 1:14 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: This isn't scientific stuff. *LONG*uberfoop 1/15/13 4:56 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: This isn't scientific stuff.thebruce0 1/15/13 1:32 p.m.
                                                                                                                 Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Gravemind 1/15/13 2:19 p.m.
                                                                                                                       Re: This isn't scientific stuff.thebruce0 1/16/13 9:59 a.m.
                                                                                                                             Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Gravemind 1/17/13 1:24 p.m.
                                                                                                                                   Re: This isn't scientific stuff.thebruce0 1/18/13 9:36 a.m.
                                                                                                                                         Re: This isn't scientific stuff.General Vagueness 1/18/13 1:25 p.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: This isn't scientific stuff.thebruce0 1/18/13 2:33 p.m.
                                                                                                                                               Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Gravemind 1/18/13 3:18 p.m.
                                                           Re: This isn't scientific stuff.Gravemind 1/15/13 2:22 p.m.
     A real FFA playlist. Yay!snakegriffin 1/10/13 5:21 p.m.
           This. So much this.LostSpartan987 1/12/13 12:35 p.m.
     Pointless drivel *NM*Captain Spark 1/10/13 5:59 p.m.



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