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Re: Cutscenes are rewards
Posted By: RC Master	Date: 6/15/12 2:41 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Cutscenes are rewards (Cody Miller) : Mirror's Edge did not have a very strong speedrun community, precisely : because it was built into the game, and to compete all you needed to do : was do the time trials. : Metroid, Zelda and other games have very dedicated strong speedrun : communities, precisely because speedrun mode is NOT in the game. It's a : goal generated by the players, who then gather around that goal. That's : why it's always better to have things player driven. : Everything the developers try to push themselves, ends up being taken away : from the community. God you're a purist... So you take the joy of creation from players, but you give the joy of participation back to so many more players. I get that people are motivated for self-chosen goals much more than ones imposed from outside, but all that means is that you (as a designer) should never present speed running as something a player must do, but as just one of many possible options. Surely you don't think the only reason Mirror's Edge's speed run community isn't as strong was because there was a time-trial mode built into the game?

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Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	6/15/12 9:58 a.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Cody Miller	6/15/12 11:06 a.m.
Cutscenes are rewards	RC Master	6/15/12 11:49 a.m.
Re: Cutscenes are rewards	Cody Miller	6/15/12 11:54 a.m.
Re: Cutscenes are rewards	Revenant1988	6/15/12 12:45 p.m.
Re: Cutscenes are rewards	Cody Miller	6/15/12 5:49 p.m.
Re: Cutscenes are rewards	Quantum	6/15/12 6:22 p.m.
Re: Cutscenes are rewards	Bry	6/18/12 7:43 p.m.
What?	Leisandir	6/15/12 1:09 p.m.
Re: Cutscenes are rewards	RC Master	6/15/12 2:41 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	serpx	6/15/12 5:10 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Cody Miller	6/15/12 5:54 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	serpx	6/15/12 6:51 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Miguel Chavez	6/15/12 8:38 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Louis Wu	6/16/12 7:43 a.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Cody Miller	6/17/12 12:45 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Louis Wu	6/17/12 1:16 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	hunt3r	6/17/12 6:30 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Leviathan	6/17/12 3:04 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Louis Wu	6/17/12 3:06 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Leviathan	6/17/12 3:32 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	John Hopson	6/20/12 10:43 a.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Louis Wu	6/20/12 10:47 a.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Cody Miller	6/20/12 12:43 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Chewbaccawakka	6/20/12 1:28 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Louis Wu	6/20/12 1:55 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Cody Miller	6/20/12 5:02 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	RC Master	6/20/12 3:12 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Quantum	6/15/12 6:10 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	serpx	6/15/12 6:40 p.m.
The problem with external rewards. *long-ish*	Gravemind	6/20/12 11:38 p.m.