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Posted By: Leisandir <joecooperstein@hotmail.com>	Date: 6/15/12 1:09 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Cutscenes are rewards (Cody Miller) : Mirror's Edge did not have a very strong speedrun community, precisely : because it was built into the game, and to compete all you needed to do : was do the time trials. : Metroid, Zelda and other games have very dedicated strong speedrun : communities, precisely because speedrun mode is NOT in the game. It's a : goal generated by the players, who then gather around that goal. That's : why it's always better to have things player driven. : Everything the developers try to push themselves, ends up being taken away : from the community. Speedrunning has been built in to Metroid from the beginning. There's a reward (however juvenile) for completing the game under par. It's the logical next step that once people attained the "under an hour" that they would begin competing against one another. Effects rarely have one cause. To say "x game does y poorly because the developers tried to make y a reward" is an incomplete analysis. Mirror's Edge didn't do well for a lot of reasons, and if its speedrun community is small, I'd say a big factor is the lack of success otherwise. Metroid and Zelda are both very popular and long-running series. Of the people who play those games, a comparatively small percentage do speedruns - it's just that a small percentage of a larger number looks bigger.

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Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	6/15/12 9:58 a.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Cody Miller	6/15/12 11:06 a.m.
Cutscenes are rewards	RC Master	6/15/12 11:49 a.m.
Re: Cutscenes are rewards	Cody Miller	6/15/12 11:54 a.m.
Re: Cutscenes are rewards	Revenant1988	6/15/12 12:45 p.m.
Re: Cutscenes are rewards	Cody Miller	6/15/12 5:49 p.m.
Re: Cutscenes are rewards	Quantum	6/15/12 6:22 p.m.
Re: Cutscenes are rewards	Bry	6/18/12 7:43 p.m.
What?	Leisandir	6/15/12 1:09 p.m.
Re: Cutscenes are rewards	RC Master	6/15/12 2:41 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	serpx	6/15/12 5:10 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Cody Miller	6/15/12 5:54 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	serpx	6/15/12 6:51 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Miguel Chavez	6/15/12 8:38 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Louis Wu	6/16/12 7:43 a.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Cody Miller	6/17/12 12:45 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Louis Wu	6/17/12 1:16 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	hunt3r	6/17/12 6:30 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Leviathan	6/17/12 3:04 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Louis Wu	6/17/12 3:06 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Leviathan	6/17/12 3:32 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	John Hopson	6/20/12 10:43 a.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Louis Wu	6/20/12 10:47 a.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Cody Miller	6/20/12 12:43 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Chewbaccawakka	6/20/12 1:28 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Louis Wu	6/20/12 1:55 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Cody Miller	6/20/12 5:02 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	RC Master	6/20/12 3:12 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Quantum	6/15/12 6:10 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	serpx	6/15/12 6:40 p.m.
The problem with external rewards. *long-ish*	Gravemind	6/20/12 11:38 p.m.