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Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design
Posted By: Cody Miller	Date: 6/15/12 11:06 a.m.
In Response To: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design (Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)) : : http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/172409/10_years_of_behavioral_game_design_.php : Bungie Mad Scientist Research Guru John Hopson writes about using : behavioral science in game design... and how the "Skinner box" : concept is being abused by studios AND by those criticising studios using : behavioral design. : -- Steve found it interesting reading, but will have to come back to it again : as a quick read doesn't seem to do it justice. This article gave me some hope, but the major flaw with the thesis behind this article is that Hopson still thinks that it is up to the game designers to create rewards for the player. Your job as a game designer is to create rules that are compelling to interact with. THAT IS IT. Rewards are up to the players to discover for themselves or create. The people designing football didn't sit around and think about what rewards the players would be getting and why they would play. But many people play football for various reasons; some play because they like the teamwork, others play for the fame, some for the money, others to get fit, some to improve their co-ordination, some because they like winning, etc. These rewards are available as a byproduct of the game and each player's unique situation. Someone might play football because they like being strong and demonstrating it, but that's not inherent to the game itself - a group of shrimps could very well play because they like the intellectual aspect of play calling. As a result, when someone plays football and LOVES football, they do it for reasons personal to them, NOT reasons created by whoever penned the rules ages ago. I wish game designers would get this through their heads: DO NOT TRY TO FABRICATE REWARDS. LET THEM FABRICATE THEMSELVES.

Message Index

Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	6/15/12 9:58 a.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Cody Miller	6/15/12 11:06 a.m.
Cutscenes are rewards	RC Master	6/15/12 11:49 a.m.
Re: Cutscenes are rewards	Cody Miller	6/15/12 11:54 a.m.
Re: Cutscenes are rewards	Revenant1988	6/15/12 12:45 p.m.
Re: Cutscenes are rewards	Cody Miller	6/15/12 5:49 p.m.
Re: Cutscenes are rewards	Quantum	6/15/12 6:22 p.m.
Re: Cutscenes are rewards	Bry	6/18/12 7:43 p.m.
What?	Leisandir	6/15/12 1:09 p.m.
Re: Cutscenes are rewards	RC Master	6/15/12 2:41 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	serpx	6/15/12 5:10 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Cody Miller	6/15/12 5:54 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	serpx	6/15/12 6:51 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Miguel Chavez	6/15/12 8:38 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Louis Wu	6/16/12 7:43 a.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Cody Miller	6/17/12 12:45 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Louis Wu	6/17/12 1:16 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	hunt3r	6/17/12 6:30 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Leviathan	6/17/12 3:04 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Louis Wu	6/17/12 3:06 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Leviathan	6/17/12 3:32 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	John Hopson	6/20/12 10:43 a.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Louis Wu	6/20/12 10:47 a.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Cody Miller	6/20/12 12:43 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Chewbaccawakka	6/20/12 1:28 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Louis Wu	6/20/12 1:55 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Cody Miller	6/20/12 5:02 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	RC Master	6/20/12 3:12 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	Quantum	6/15/12 6:10 p.m.
Re: Bungie speaks... on Behavioral Game Design	serpx	6/15/12 6:40 p.m.
The problem with external rewards. *long-ish*	Gravemind	6/20/12 11:38 p.m.