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Re: Clarification, please?
Posted By: BoneKin <dlaudel@gmail.com>	Date: 3/1/12 2:41 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Clarification, please? (Schooly D) : Say, for example, you've encountered someone at close/medium-close range. : You've shot them a couple of times because you're a better shot, you got : the jump on them, or both. : Without bleedthrough, that person can run up to you and mash B twice to kill : you. As long as they get the first melee hit you're dead, because you : haven't taken down their shields yet, and anything you do won't kill him : before he kills you. If you melee while he still has even a little shield : left, he kills you because you only do enough damage to take down the : shield and he's already ahead in the melee race. If you keep shooting, he : kills you because your shots won't kill quick enough. : With bleedthrough, if the guy tries to save himself by mashing B in your : direction, you win because you've taken down his shields enough with your : shots to kill him with 1 melee (thanks to bleedthrough). : So, bleedthrough doesn't make melees weaker per se. In fact, it can only make : them stronger since they can do shield+health damage now. But it decreases : the effectiveness of the "I'm losing so I'm going to charge forward : and mash B" strategy. : I'm eagerly anticipating people on this forum with a 1.2 K/D ratio to tell me : how I'm discounting the amount of skill required to sprint in front of : people and repeatedly slam on the B button. Whew, I've got a 1.3x k/d. Anyway, I can see your point, but I think I still prefer the no bleedthrough, especially with the enhanced accuracy of the DMR/NR/Pistol. That ability to kill without popping the shields, I think, was a contributing factor in the annoyance that people have with the TU. The way I see it, DMRs were enhanced in 3 ways: 1) bloom reduction. I like this one. I won't start an argument here over it, but I fall on the side of enjoying the 85% bloom. 2) no reduction in maximum rate of fire. This is usually only a factor in the zero-bloom gametypes. 3) bleedthrough. Popping shields before getting the headshot was key in Reach, but having it suddenly removed gave DMRs a big boost in effectiveness. I think removing the bleedthrough will bring back a "Reach" feeling to the game. It just has never quite felt the same when I got headshots without the pop. In Anniversary, I understand they were trying to emulate H1, so it's supposed to feel different. But with the Reach TU games, it just didn't feel quite like Reach to me. /my 2 cents

Message Index

Halo Bulletin: TU vote = everyone wins!	pete_the_duck	3/1/12 12:06 p.m.
Re: EVERYONE WINS TWICE!	pete_the_duck	3/1/12 12:10 p.m.
Re: EVERYONE WINS TWICE!	DEEP NNN	3/1/12 12:19 p.m.
Re: EVERYONE WINS TWICE!	Schooly D	3/1/12 12:24 p.m.
Re: EVERYONE WINS TWICE!	Kalamari	3/1/12 12:34 p.m.
Re: EVERYONE WINS TWICE!	Louis Wu	3/1/12 12:46 p.m.
Re: EVERYONE WINS TWICE!	Schooly D	3/1/12 3:06 p.m.
Re: EVERYONE WINS TWICE!	Vandle Valsher	3/1/12 3:37 p.m.
Sauce on steak is stupid.	Spec ops Grunt	3/1/12 3:53 p.m.
Re: Sauce on steak is stupid.	ZackDark	3/1/12 3:56 p.m.
Re: Sauce on steak is stupid.	Spec ops Grunt	3/1/12 4:02 p.m.
Re: Sauce on steak is stupid.	Vandle Valsher	3/1/12 4:25 p.m.
Re: Sauce on steak is stupid.	Gravemind	3/1/12 6:00 p.m.
Clarification, please?	BoneKin	3/1/12 1:51 p.m.
Re: Clarification, please?	Schooly D	3/1/12 2:04 p.m.
Re: The point where I stopped caring.	Beckx	3/1/12 2:24 p.m.
Re: The point where I stopped caring.	Schooly D	3/1/12 2:33 p.m.
Re: The point where I stopped caring.	Revenant1988	3/1/12 2:46 p.m.
Re: Clarification, please?	RC Master	3/1/12 2:30 p.m.
Re: Clarification, please?	Schooly D	3/1/12 2:39 p.m.
Re: Clarification, please?	RC Master	3/1/12 4:07 p.m.
Re: Clarification, please?	uberfoop	3/1/12 4:35 p.m.
Re: Clarification, please?	yakaman	3/1/12 5:17 p.m.
Re: Clarification, please?	BoneKin	3/1/12 2:41 p.m.
lack of focus...	BoneKin	3/1/12 2:46 p.m.
Re: lack of focus...	CaneCutter	3/1/12 2:51 p.m.
Question	Joony Joon	3/1/12 3:12 p.m.
Re: Question	uberfoop	3/1/12 4:28 p.m.
Re: Question	Joony Joon	3/1/12 4:54 p.m.
Re: Question	uberfoop	3/1/12 5:19 p.m.
Re: Clarification, please?	DEEP NNN	3/1/12 3:27 p.m.
WHOA TIME OUT SPRINT + MELEE IS SO HARD OKAY?!?!?!	Avateur	3/1/12 9:05 p.m.
Re: Clarification, please?	General Vagueness	3/3/12 11:57 a.m.
Re: EVERYONE WINS TWICE!	FyreWulff	3/1/12 3:38 p.m.
damn I'm excepted from having an opinion	kidtsunami	3/1/12 7:40 p.m.
Re: damn I'm excepted from having an opinion	Schooly D	3/1/12 8:31 p.m.
hehe	kidtsunami	3/1/12 11:13 p.m.
meant in jest	kidtsunami	3/2/12 1:50 a.m.
Re: EVERYONE WINS TWICE!	LostSpartan987	3/1/12 12:29 p.m.
Re: Halo Bulletin: TU vote = everyone wins!	ChrisTheeCrappy	3/1/12 12:13 p.m.
Can you prove everyone wins with statistics? *NM*	Beckx	3/1/12 12:17 p.m.
BTB Heavies? Yes pls... *NM*	Apirishin	3/1/12 12:24 p.m.
Re: We don't have them kinds of maths, beckx. *NM*	Revenant1988	3/1/12 12:45 p.m.
Let us all celebrate this glorious day	JDQuackers	3/1/12 12:26 p.m.
Re: Halo Bulletin: TU vote = everyone wins!	ZackDark	3/1/12 12:27 p.m.
Speaking of which, when does X12 end? *NM*	ZackDark	3/1/12 12:48 p.m.
DISREGARD TU CRAP, ACQUIRE BTB HEAVIES.	Revenant1988	3/1/12 12:32 p.m.
What?! How did I miss this?!	LostSpartan987	3/1/12 12:34 p.m.
Re: DISREGARD TU CRAP, ACQUIRE BTB HEAVIES.	Apirishin	3/1/12 12:47 p.m.
Re: DISREGARD TU CRAP, ACQUIRE BTB HEAVIES.	Revenant1988	3/1/12 12:51 p.m.
Re: DISREGARD TU CRAP, ACQUIRE BTB HEAVIES.	Louis Wu	3/1/12 1:04 p.m.
Re: DISREGARD TU CRAP, ACQUIRE BTB HEAVIES.	Revenant1988	3/1/12 1:10 p.m.
Re: DISREGARD TU CRAP, ACQUIRE BTB HEAVIES.	FyreWulff	3/1/12 3:26 p.m.
Re: DISREGARD TU CRAP, ACQUIRE BTB HEAVIES.	Pkmnrulz240	3/1/12 1:33 p.m.
bad pokemon!	Revenant1988	3/1/12 1:35 p.m.
Re: bad pokemon!	Pkmnrulz240	3/1/12 1:36 p.m.
Bring on the Heavy Metal! *NM*	padraig08	3/1/12 2:34 p.m.
And do we get new forge maps for this? Nope. *NM*	Mirel	3/2/12 6:55 a.m.
Re: Halo Bulletin: TU vote = everyone wins!	ZaneZavin	3/1/12 1:10 p.m.
Re: Halo Bulletin: TU vote = everyone wins!	Kalamari	3/1/12 1:25 p.m.
Re: Halo Bulletin: TU vote = everyone wins!	Metalingus627	3/1/12 1:30 p.m.
Re: Halo Bulletin: TU vote = everyone wins!	Louis Wu	3/1/12 1:31 p.m.
Re: Halo Bulletin: TU vote = everyone wins!	CaneCutter	3/1/12 1:34 p.m.
This really didn't answer the most important Q...	Pkmnrulz240	3/1/12 1:35 p.m.
TU questions, and my thoughts.	Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)	3/1/12 1:35 p.m.
Re: TU questions, and my thoughts.	LostSpartan987	3/1/12 1:37 p.m.
Re: TU questions, and my thoughts.	bluerunner	3/1/12 1:42 p.m.
Re: TU questions, and my thoughts.	FyreWulff	3/1/12 3:35 p.m.
Re: TU questions, and my thoughts.	DEEP NNN	3/1/12 3:45 p.m.
Re: TU questions, and my thoughts.	FyreWulff	3/1/12 4:06 p.m.
Bleedthrough gone. :D	Overdoziz	3/1/12 1:48 p.m.
343 steps it up.	Spec ops Grunt	3/1/12 1:52 p.m.
Squad Slayer removed. :(	Overdoziz	3/1/12 1:52 p.m.
Re: Squad Slayer removed. :(	Gravemind	3/1/12 2:02 p.m.
Score one for the Anti-TU Team.	Gravemind	3/1/12 1:57 p.m.
Cool, next question...	RC Master	3/1/12 2:13 p.m.
People are mad jelly, bro.	UnrealCh13f	3/1/12 2:37 p.m.
Re: People are mad jelly, bro.	serpx	3/1/12 2:44 p.m.
Damned if they do, Damned if they don't.	LostSpartan987	3/1/12 2:49 p.m.
Meh.	Phoenix_9286	3/1/12 2:48 p.m.
Re: Meh.	Hyokin	3/1/12 4:28 p.m.
Ian, they just did...	SEspider	3/2/12 12:05 a.m.
Re: Ian, they just did...	Overdoziz	3/2/12 7:20 a.m.
Re: Ian, they just did...	DEEP NNN	3/2/12 8:34 a.m.
Re: Ian, they just did...	Overdoziz	3/2/12 8:59 a.m.
Wake me...	Vandle Valsher	3/1/12 2:49 p.m.
lol *NM*	Louis Wu	3/1/12 3:02 p.m.
There might have been info on H4 there...	ZackDark	3/1/12 3:05 p.m.
Re: There might have been info on H4 there...	Vandle Valsher	3/1/12 3:33 p.m.
With bleedthrough gone...	Overdoziz	3/1/12 3:22 p.m.
Re: With bleedthrough gone...	DEEP NNN	3/1/12 3:42 p.m.
Re: With bleedthrough gone...	Overdoziz	3/1/12 3:58 p.m.
Re: With bleedthrough gone...	DEEP NNN	3/1/12 4:22 p.m.
Re: With bleedthrough gone...	Overdoziz	3/1/12 4:50 p.m.
Re: With bleedthrough gone...	Hyokin	3/1/12 5:24 p.m.
Re: With bleedthrough gone...	uberfoop	3/1/12 5:38 p.m.
Re: With bleedthrough gone...	Overdoziz	3/1/12 6:11 p.m.
Re: With bleedthrough gone...	ZaneZavin	3/1/12 8:16 p.m.
Bring back Flagstravaganza *NM*	NartFOpc	3/1/12 3:25 p.m.
BEST PLAYLIST EVER *NM*	kidtsunami	3/1/12 7:51 p.m.
Re: Halo Bulletin: TU vote = everyone wins!	Hedgemony	3/1/12 6:23 p.m.
Re: Halo Bulletin: TU vote = everyone wins!	SEspider	3/2/12 12:11 a.m.
Re: Halo Bulletin: TU vote = everyone wins!	Hedgemony	3/2/12 12:31 a.m.
Re: Halo Bulletin: TU vote = everyone wins!	Hyokin	3/2/12 12:43 a.m.
Would definitely go for more invasion maps	kidtsunami	3/2/12 1:46 a.m.
Re: Would definitely go for more invasion maps	RC Master	3/2/12 8:07 a.m.
Re: You want fries with that? *NM*	Revenant1988	3/2/12 7:39 a.m.
Re: Halo Bulletin: TU vote = everyone wins!	Overdoziz	3/2/12 7:18 a.m.
Re: Halo Bulletin: TU vote = everyone wins!	DEEP NNN	3/2/12 8:15 a.m.
Re: Halo Bulletin: TU vote = everyone wins!	Overdoziz	3/2/12 8:28 a.m.