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Re: yeah because sorry, a one weapon game
Posted By: uberfoop <atkinso2@seattleu.edu>	Date: 3/1/12 3:16 a.m.
In Response To: Re: yeah because sorry, a one weapon game (Gravemind) : The DMR's max shot spread when pacing your shots is very tiny, around : 0.05°, which is a quarter the shot spread of the M6D. That spread only : becomes significant at extreme ranges (100 meters or more; for example, at : 125 m, the spread pattern is the size of a soccer ball) where the DMR is : less effective anyway. At 20 meters, the shot pattern is the size of an : Eisenhower dollar, while at 50 meters it's a bit bigger than a baseball... : still tiny compared to a Spartan's head. OTOH, the M6D's shot spread : resulted in a pattern four times bigger than those things at those ranges. : So, the DMR is not 100% deterministic, but after you take into account aim : assist it's close enough at all the ranges that matter, and it's a hell of : a lot more deterministic than the M6D or BR. You just have to pace your : shots to get that determinism. I'm aware of this, but it's not a response to what I posted. What I wrote was, essentially: 1-Has it actually been demonstrated that the optimal RoF at any given range is to wait until the reticle is small enough to have a 100% chance of hit, and 2-Even if it has, no amount of determinism in your own firing is going to ensure that your enemy isn't bringing luck into the equation by his or her firing patterns. The point being that no, it is not possible in Reach to ensure that bloom won't contribute a luck factor to your battles. : I've yet to see a convincing argument that Halo MP should be DMRs/BRs/M6Ds : 24/7. Besides, I can think of several reasons for a wide variety of : weapons. For example, if the game revolved around one or two guns, it : would get boring, quick. Having many distinct weapons offers opportunities : for many play styles. If the DMR were the only standard issue weapon, : combat would become a dull, rote affair of popping headshots all day. Not necessarily. Because Reach doesn't take place on an empty plane where people spawn against each other in 1v1's. You can say "it shouldn't devolve into a situation where getting 5sk's with a bloom-less (or nearly so) DMR is the only thing players need to be proficient at," and I agree, and I have a hunch that Overdoziz would as well. Even in TU Reach, which is a fairly clumsy cobbling of features, that's a gross oversimplification of gameplay. My whole point is that having unnecessary factors in gameplay can actually complicate things in such a way that, even though the system is mechanically more complex, the gameplay execution and experience is actually simpler. Surely you can see where Overdoziz is coming from here: he finds things like the melee blitzing of Halo 3 to be boring and chaotic, and even if you don't agree with it (or with the idea that Reach suffers from any of these sorts of problems at all), this has got to be an understandable sentiment. (Personally, I don't the AR should go or fall totally out of relevance, but I do think they should find something to do with it that doesn't involve it serving as a combo half-baked precision rifle and half-baked SMG. Let it flourish as its own thing; this could possibly mean styling it once more after the Halo 1 AR and effectively making it a beefy sidearm, especially if we also get a Halo 1-esque melee scheme, but it's not necessarily the only choice.) : All firearms fire projectiles. You might want to elaborate. I mean "projectile" in the sense of "not hitscan." Of course, Halo 3 makes a compelling argument for why this particular example wouldn't be reasonable unless Halo 4 had dedicated servers. Another example of an alternative would be damage falling off with distance, though this could possibly wind up being a bizarre interface screw and I probably wouldn't recommand it in general xD : How do you argue with "adapt" and "Automatics suck"? : Those aren't arguments, so one can't exactly counter-argue it. I do think that there's some meat behind what Overdoziz has been saying that's getting overlooked and/or misconstrued. That meat is what I attempted to extrapolate on in these few posts.

Message Index

343i has killed my interest in Reach MM.	Gravemind	2/28/12 7:35 p.m.
Opinions are fun.	bryan newman	2/28/12 7:49 p.m.
Re: Opinions are fun.	FyreWulff	2/28/12 7:52 p.m.
Re: Opinions are fun.	bryan newman	2/28/12 7:55 p.m.
Re: Opinions are fun.	kidtsunami	2/28/12 8:03 p.m.
Re: Opinions are fun.	bryan newman	2/28/12 8:07 p.m.
yeah, he shouldn't either	kidtsunami	2/28/12 8:12 p.m.
Re: Opinions are fun.	Avateur	2/28/12 8:14 p.m.
Different strokes I suppose, right? *NM*	bryan newman	2/28/12 8:16 p.m.
Exactly	Avateur	2/28/12 8:19 p.m.
Re: Exactly	Hoovaloov	2/28/12 9:25 p.m.
Re: Exactly	Overdoziz	2/28/12 9:27 p.m.
Re: Exactly	Avateur	2/28/12 9:56 p.m.
Re: Exactly	DEEP NNN	2/28/12 10:18 p.m.
Re: Exactly	Hoovaloov	2/28/12 10:34 p.m.
Also	FyreWulff	2/28/12 10:00 p.m.
Re: Opinions are fun.	Avateur	2/28/12 8:10 p.m.
Re: Opinions are fun.	Hoovaloov	2/28/12 8:37 p.m.
Re: Opinions are fun.	FyreWulff	2/28/12 8:40 p.m.
Re: Opinions are fun.	Hoovaloov	2/28/12 8:50 p.m.
Re: Opinions are fun.	FyreWulff	2/28/12 9:34 p.m.
Re: Opinions are fun.	Hoovaloov	2/28/12 10:07 p.m.
Re: Opinions are fun.	FyreWulff	2/28/12 10:45 p.m.
Re: Opinions are fun.	Hoovaloov	2/28/12 10:54 p.m.
Re: Opinions are fun.	RC Master	2/29/12 11:05 a.m.
Re: Opinions are fun.	Hoovaloov	2/29/12 4:16 p.m.
Minor Correction	Hoovaloov	2/29/12 4:27 p.m.
Re: Opinions are fun.	RC Master	3/1/12 7:22 a.m.
Re: Opinions are fun.	yakaman	3/1/12 1:08 p.m.
Re: Opinions are fun.	DEEP NNN	2/28/12 10:15 p.m.
Re: Opinions are fun.	FyreWulff	2/29/12 12:12 a.m.
TU is sweet.	Overdoziz	2/28/12 8:30 p.m.
Re: TU is sweet.	7he grunt w/a plasma pistol	2/28/12 8:35 p.m.
Re: TU is sweet.	bryan newman	2/28/12 8:36 p.m.
Re: TU is sweet.	Overdoziz	2/28/12 8:38 p.m.
Fixed: TU is sheet.	Hyokin	2/28/12 9:05 p.m.
No more blanket statements please. *NM*	Kalamari	2/28/12 9:16 p.m.
But I'm cold :( *NM*	kornman00	2/28/12 9:44 p.m.
Re: Fixed: TU is sheet.	Overdoziz	2/28/12 9:19 p.m.
Re: Fixed: TU is sheet.	Hyokin	2/28/12 9:38 p.m.
Re: Fixed: TU is sheet.	Overdoziz	2/28/12 9:43 p.m.
Re: Fixed: TU is sheet.	Avateur	2/28/12 9:58 p.m.
That's no irony! *NM*	uberfoop	2/28/12 10:03 p.m.
You're right :( *NM*	Avateur	2/28/12 10:06 p.m.
I think the irony was the part made of iron. *NM*	Hyokin	2/28/12 10:10 p.m.
It's a space station! *NM*	SonofMacPhisto	2/28/12 10:11 p.m.
Damn! Beaten to the punch!	LostSpartan987	2/29/12 8:29 a.m.
It all makes sense now. *NM*	Overdoziz	2/29/12 9:08 a.m.
Re: Fixed: TU is sheet.	Gravemind	2/29/12 12:55 p.m.
Re: Fixed: TU is sheet.	Overdoziz	2/29/12 1:12 p.m.
Re: TU is sweet.	RC Master	2/29/12 11:09 a.m.
Exactly! *NM*	Hyokin	2/29/12 11:11 a.m.
Turnabout is fair play. *NM*	Azo 'Galvat	2/29/12 1:15 p.m.
Re: TU is sweet.	Overdoziz	2/29/12 1:34 p.m.
Re: TU is sweet.	Hyokin	2/29/12 1:37 p.m.
Re: TU is sweet.	Overdoziz	2/29/12 1:53 p.m.
Re: TU is sweet.	RC Master	3/1/12 6:24 a.m.
Re: TU is sweet.	Gravemind	2/29/12 1:59 p.m.
Re: TU is sweet.	Schooly D	2/29/12 2:24 p.m.
Re: Tonight, in Night Springs. *NM*	Beckx	2/29/12 2:34 p.m.
yeah because sorry, a one weapon game	kidtsunami	2/29/12 3:31 p.m.
Re: yeah because sorry, a one weapon game	Schooly D	2/29/12 3:44 p.m.
Re: yeah because sorry, a one weapon game	Overdoziz	2/29/12 4:20 p.m.
Re: yeah because sorry, a one weapon game	kidtsunami	2/29/12 5:01 p.m.
I'm also waiting on the	kidtsunami	2/29/12 5:20 p.m.
Re: I'm also waiting on the	Avateur	2/29/12 9:14 p.m.
Re: I'm also waiting on the	Avateur	2/29/12 9:16 p.m.
Re: yeah because sorry, a one weapon game	Gravemind	2/29/12 6:21 p.m.
Re: yeah because sorry, a one weapon game	uberfoop	2/29/12 7:15 p.m.
Re: yeah because sorry, a one weapon game	Gravemind	3/1/12 1:53 a.m.
Re: yeah because sorry, a one weapon game	uberfoop	3/1/12 3:16 a.m.
Re: yeah because sorry, a one weapon game	Schooly D	3/1/12 2:01 a.m.
Re: yeah because sorry, a one weapon game	Gravemind	3/1/12 3:29 a.m.
Re: TU is sweet.	Overdoziz	2/29/12 4:26 p.m.
Re: TU is sweet.	Gravemind	2/29/12 6:00 p.m.
Re: TU is sweet.	kidtsunami	2/29/12 6:44 p.m.
Re: TU is sweet.	Overdoziz	2/29/12 6:55 p.m.
Jason... hugs... NOW. *NM*	Hyokin	3/1/12 12:53 a.m.
Is it a b-day hug? *NM*	Gravemind	3/1/12 1:56 a.m.
I guess... :p *NM*	Hyokin	3/1/12 11:12 a.m.
Re: 343i has killed my interest in Reach MM.	SEspider	2/28/12 10:18 p.m.
Re: 343i has killed my interest in Reach MM.	dogcom	3/3/12 11:52 a.m.
Re: 343i has killed my interest in Reach MM.	Grizzlei	3/3/12 1:41 p.m.
This made me cry a little. :( *NM*	Pkmnrulz240	3/3/12 2:08 p.m.