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Re: How do you survive Halo firing?
Posted By: Stephen L. (SoundEffect) <soundeffect@hotmail.com>	Date: 2/16/12 4:30 a.m.
In Response To: Re: How do you survive Halo firing? (Hoovaloov) : I know that you've done a lot of your research by examining in-game objects : and comparing sizes, but I do think this sometimes leads to conclusions : that don't match what Bungie intended. Perhaps, perhaps not. I can at least usually distinguish intent from gameplay concession. Learning how the game is made helps me see intent as well. I don't take those nested holograms that seriously because they're low-rez holograms that have a jagged edge rather than a round ring. Each of those rings have the same width despite being different diameters, which is not supported with the exterior of the 'real' model Halo who's length to width ratio matches Halo 1 even if you just want to examine screenshots and not dive into the files. : For example, in one of your early articles , you compared the Pillar of : Autumn's model size with the actual level design and determined it would : be impossible to fit all of the level's corridors inside of the ship. And : in Halo 3's multiplayer map, Rat's Nest, the Hornets and Pelicans seen : flying by outside are actually tiny low-res models flying at a super slow : pace to trick the player into thinking they are much bigger and farther : away. The miniature Pelicans and Hornets are obviously done for gameplay concession. They'd have memory issues to use real-sized models all the time. The Covenant cruiser was NEVER the proper size in a Halo game until the one at the end of Reach barreling down on the Autumn. All the others were too small compared with its actual intended size. : Does this mean that the Pillar of Autumn has corridors sticking out of the : ship's hull and are somehow invisibly cloaked? Does the UNSC have tiny : Hornets and Pelicans? Of course not, Bungie was just taking some : shortcuts, using smoke, mirrors, perspective tricks in order to create an : experience for the player. The gameplay experience comes first. As my article concludes, the Autumn's simply a mess. You can't reconcile the exterior with the interior layout, even if you outright dismiss the Maw Run corridor. The Autumn's size is full scale to people so it's overall length is a known quantity. : So all I was saying is that a player who just plays through Halo 1 and Halo 2 : would have no idea the two Halo rings were the exact same model/textures. : All he would see is the hologram of the different sized Halos at the end : of the game and would conclude that the Halos are different sizes. You could see even through screenshot examination that the surface textures of the Halos from 1 and 2 were the same. I imagines those mini nested Halo holograms are emerging from an upper and lower model of our galaxy and that's not in scale with those rings either so what's the explanation of scale with those? : Could we even rightly say that Bungie intended us to know that the Halos were : the same exact models/textures? Wouldn't knowing that fact lead us to : believe Bungie was simply cutting corners, not providing hidden truths : about the Halos? When given conflicting messages from the game, shouldn't : the players treat what's presented to them in a cutscene as higher : priority than how the developer reused assets? Often yes. But as I said, the width to length ratio of the mini holograms don't match the real Halo rings of either game so the conclusion would be the hologram is sub-par as a source of reliable info, right? If they can't get the ratio right, how do you judge their sizes? : In other words, "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" : might apply when digging apart the game code. What the player experiences : during a normal play-through should be given more weight than the back-end : game models that 99.9% of players will never know existed. : Otherwise, we are forced to believe the UNSC has tiny Pelicans and invisible : corridors on the Pillar of Autumn. You need to be able to differentiate gameplay concession from intent. : Now of course, Halo 3 changed all of this. In Halo 1, the player learned : about Halo and that there were "others." In Halo 2, the player : got to see another Halo, and the hologram 343 GS presented would lead the : player to believe that each Halo is a different size. The player also : learned that the Ark existed. But then Halo 3 changed things up. Now the : Halos were all the same size because they all were made in the Ark's : Forge. Until this discussion, I never suspected the Halo s were different sizes. Until you pointed it out, I'd never seen those holograms as different. I saw them as an animation moving from a single point to expand. They tricked the effect with making the Halos fit inside one another so we could see them expand. I don't see it as different than the Chief actually shrinking smaller when Guilty Spark teleports him rather than his just disappearing. I don't think he actually shrinks...I understand it's a gameplay effect to make the model disappear. : From a logical perspective, I prefer having the Halos be the same size, but : it seems to me that this was a slight retcon from H2 to H3. We are only : viewing the H2 hologram as "just for show" now because of : hindsight. But at the time, without digging into the game code, the only : knowledge the player had about the comparative sizes of the Halos was that : hologram. And it clearly showed that the Halos were different sizes. I think Halo 3 reveals to us that Bungie intended the Halos to be the same size/shape all along. : The same could be said of 2401 Penitent Tangent's color. You said earlier : that the only reason he is colored red is because of some Flood texture : that's overlayed on his normal blue color. It sounds like you believe all : Monitors should have blue eyes, even 2401 PT. Except that Bungie didn't : ship Halo 2 with 2401 having a blue eye, they shipped it with him having a : red one. So the player should take what he experiences and views on the : screen as canon. That was the actual way it was textured. 2401 PT did have a blue eye with a semitransparent texture over it. Because few knew of this (and I had even mentioned it to Vociferous who didn't know that before either), but they decided to go with what most people thought. That 2401 PT was not in fact infected (which he was intended to be, along with Regret) but rather was simply captured and had a red eye instead of blue. Because this fact was not known by the new custodians of Halo, we have Monitors in the Ann. Terminals with a rainbow of eyes. :*( : I was of the opinion that each of the Halo Monitors had different eye colors : solely based on Halo 1 and 2. I figured there would also be an orange, : yellow, green, indigo, and violet Monitor on the other Halos, and a white : one on the Ark. The Anniversary Terminals show that this is correct, : except of course for the white Monitor. I don't know if he exists. : In Halo 3, we see that when 343 GS goes rampant, he turns red. And that : explanation fits perfectly well within Halo 2's game experience. 2401 : would have gone rampant with his entire Halo taken over by the Flood, so : it makes sense for him to be red. He gave no sign of rampancy that I detected. Despite being captured, he seemed perfectly rational. : But does this mean that all the other Monitors are blue? Not necessarily. We : have no idea what 2401's original color was from a gameplay perspective. : We just know that when Monitors go rampant, they turn red. When they arm their laser eye they turn red. I didn't take that as a sign of rampancy even in Spark. His eye is only red when firing or ready to fire is he not? : All this to say, when the gameplay tells us one thing, but the game code : tells us another, I'm of the opinion that the gameplay takes priority. But : certainly, the game code can be used to tell us many things that we would : otherwise never know. I hope I don't come across as demeaning, I'm just : trying to explain my thought process. I definitely appreciate the amount : of time you and others have taken to carefully and logically dissect each : of the Halo games. The insights you have provided are simply priceless, : and I have enjoyed reading your enlightening articles. The scrutiny that : Halo undergoes by the community never ceases to amaze me, and then even : more surprising is how many amazing theories and observations come from : these detailed analyses that prove to be true. : Case in point - check out these crazy old posts (check the dates) that proved : to be almost prophetic: Covenant and Flood : Miranda Keyes : I wonder if any of the theories we are throwing out there will be this : accurate! :)

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The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	davidfuchs	2/5/12 4:48 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	ZackDark	2/5/12 5:03 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	DHalo	2/5/12 5:08 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	ZackDark	2/5/12 5:19 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	davidfuchs	2/5/12 5:31 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	ZackDark	2/5/12 5:41 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	davidfuchs	2/5/12 5:52 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	Imrane-117	2/5/12 6:37 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	Anton1792	2/5/12 6:41 p.m.
That's the one! *NM*	ZackDark	2/5/12 6:43 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	davidfuchs	2/5/12 10:45 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	General Vagueness	2/9/12 2:21 a.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	davidfuchs	2/9/12 2:29 a.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	Hoovaloov	2/9/12 3:37 a.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	davidfuchs	2/9/12 1:58 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/5/12 6:44 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	Imrane-117	2/5/12 6:51 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/5/12 6:53 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	Imrane-117	2/5/12 7:00 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	Gilver	2/5/12 7:08 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	scarab	2/6/12 7:14 a.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/6/12 11:52 a.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	scarab	2/6/12 2:06 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/6/12 2:28 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	scarab	2/6/12 4:38 p.m.
I think you guys have been horribly misreading...	davidfuchs	2/6/12 6:09 p.m.
Re: I think you guys have been horribly misreading	Flynn J Taggart	2/6/12 7:58 p.m.
Re: I think you guys have been horribly misreading	Leviathan	2/7/12 2:46 a.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	Postmortem	2/5/12 7:07 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	NsU Soldier	2/7/12 5:13 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	Postmortem	2/5/12 7:05 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	Imrane-117	2/5/12 7:18 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/5/12 7:30 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	Postmortem	2/5/12 8:30 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	TDSpiral	2/5/12 8:53 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/5/12 9:34 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	scarab	2/5/12 10:43 p.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	Leviathan	2/6/12 6:05 a.m.
Re: The Prophets' motivations in Halo 2	scarab	2/6/12 8:47 a.m.
How I try to rationalize the insanity	Flynn J Taggart	2/6/12 4:57 p.m.
Re: How I try to rationalize the insanity	scarab	2/6/12 6:50 p.m.
Re: How I try to rationalize the insanity	Flynn J Taggart	2/6/12 8:13 p.m.
Re: How I try to rationalize the insanity	davidfuchs	2/6/12 9:01 p.m.
Re: How I try to rationalize the insanity	JDQuackers	2/6/12 9:07 p.m.
Re: How I try to rationalize the insanity	davidfuchs	2/6/12 10:23 p.m.
Re: How I try to rationalize the insanity	Hoovaloov	2/7/12 7:58 a.m.
How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/7/12 8:20 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	davidfuchs	2/7/12 2:30 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	bluerunner	2/7/12 3:10 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	JDQuackers	2/7/12 3:16 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/7/12 3:46 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	JDQuackers	2/7/12 4:55 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	davidfuchs	2/7/12 6:18 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/7/12 6:26 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	scarab	2/7/12 11:44 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/7/12 11:55 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/7/12 11:57 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/7/12 6:22 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Revenant1988	2/7/12 8:34 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/7/12 9:29 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/8/12 12:13 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/8/12 12:36 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/8/12 3:23 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/8/12 3:43 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	scarab	2/7/12 11:11 p.m.
It is a mind bomb	davidfuchs	2/7/12 11:40 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/7/12 11:37 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/7/12 11:54 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/8/12 12:04 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/8/12 12:34 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	scarab	2/8/12 3:09 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	General Vagueness	2/9/12 4:46 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/8/12 3:38 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/8/12 3:49 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/8/12 5:47 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Archilen	2/8/12 5:51 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/8/12 5:56 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/8/12 12:36 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/9/12 12:33 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/9/12 1:38 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	General Vagueness	2/9/12 5:10 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/9/12 11:51 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/9/12 11:01 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Devil Mingy	2/13/12 5:34 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/13/12 11:00 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/9/12 6:18 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/9/12 12:43 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/10/12 12:32 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/10/12 4:10 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/10/12 12:58 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/10/12 2:34 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/12/12 7:18 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/12/12 9:06 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	uberfoop	2/12/12 9:49 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/12/12 10:19 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	uberfoop	2/12/12 10:44 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/12/12 11:14 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	uberfoop	2/13/12 12:20 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/13/12 12:42 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/13/12 8:18 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/13/12 11:14 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/13/12 12:26 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/13/12 1:29 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/13/12 2:08 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/14/12 11:52 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/13/12 8:05 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	uberfoop	2/13/12 8:31 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/13/12 8:56 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/13/12 11:12 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/13/12 12:06 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/13/12 12:49 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	hezekiah	2/13/12 8:42 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	General Vagueness	2/13/12 1:51 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/13/12 2:21 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Quantum	2/20/12 8:42 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/20/12 12:34 p.m.
Theoretical Telepathy	Mid7night	2/16/12 9:23 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	JDQuackers	2/16/12 9:30 p.m.
Teleportation	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 9:35 p.m.
Re: Teleportation	JDQuackers	2/16/12 9:42 p.m.
Re: Teleportation	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/16/12 11:27 p.m.
Re: Teleportation	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 11:40 p.m.
Re: Teleportation	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/17/12 12:34 a.m.
Re: Teleportation	Hoovaloov	2/17/12 4:03 a.m.
Re: Teleportesis	Nikko B201	2/17/12 12:36 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/16/12 11:37 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 11:43 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/17/12 12:36 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Mid7night	2/17/12 12:13 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/17/12 12:56 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Mid7night	2/17/12 4:56 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/17/12 1:08 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Mid7night	2/17/12 7:53 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/17/12 8:17 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/17/12 10:49 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Mid7night	2/17/12 11:22 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/17/12 11:59 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/18/12 1:21 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/18/12 1:32 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/18/12 1:49 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/18/12 4:41 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	uberfoop	2/18/12 5:27 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/18/12 11:35 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/19/12 12:22 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/19/12 12:39 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	uberfoop	2/19/12 12:47 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/19/12 7:53 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	uberfoop	2/19/12 9:21 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/19/12 2:40 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/19/12 1:54 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/19/12 8:23 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	uberfoop	2/19/12 9:34 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/19/12 9:32 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	uberfoop	2/19/12 10:35 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/21/12 5:02 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	uberfoop	2/21/12 6:40 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/19/12 2:09 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/18/12 11:14 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	uberfoop	2/18/12 11:55 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/19/12 7:33 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	uberfoop	2/19/12 9:24 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/21/12 12:20 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	uberfoop	2/21/12 1:17 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/21/12 8:15 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/19/12 12:16 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/19/12 9:15 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	uberfoop	2/19/12 9:46 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/19/12 10:47 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/19/12 10:35 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Mid7night	2/20/12 4:59 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/20/12 5:32 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Mid7night	2/20/12 6:38 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	uberfoop	2/20/12 8:07 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/20/12 8:24 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/21/12 8:34 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/21/12 2:23 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/20/12 9:47 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Mid7night	2/20/12 11:31 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/21/12 3:59 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Mid7night	2/21/12 6:48 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/21/12 1:52 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Mid7night	2/21/12 3:30 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/21/12 4:06 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/21/12 9:46 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/21/12 3:10 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/22/12 12:36 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/21/12 8:55 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/21/12 2:30 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Mid7night	2/21/12 3:16 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/21/12 3:56 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/22/12 12:38 a.m.
Re: Theoretical-- Humor is arbitrary, logic is not	General Vagueness	2/21/12 6:45 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	uberfoop	2/20/12 7:41 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Mid7night	2/20/12 9:04 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	uberfoop	2/20/12 9:51 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Mid7night	2/21/12 12:02 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/21/12 9:58 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/21/12 3:35 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Leisandir	2/21/12 4:58 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Mid7night	2/21/12 6:50 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/21/12 7:30 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/22/12 1:13 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	inu	2/22/12 1:31 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/22/12 2:42 a.m.
Because I'm stubborn . . . .	Leisandir	2/22/12 4:13 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Leisandir	2/21/12 8:45 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Mid7night	2/21/12 9:37 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/21/12 9:46 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Leisandir	2/21/12 9:54 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/22/12 12:51 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	inu	2/22/12 1:09 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Hoovaloov	2/22/12 1:24 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	uberfoop	2/18/12 3:34 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Mid7night	2/18/12 7:17 a.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/18/12 1:36 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Mid7night	2/18/12 3:45 p.m.
Re: Theoretical Telepathy	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/18/12 6:15 p.m.
Quantum Entanglement	RC Master	2/17/12 1:37 a.m.
Re: Quantum Entanglement	General Vagueness	2/17/12 5:01 a.m.
Flood Stasis & The Hidden Secret of "Cold Storage"	Hoovaloov	2/17/12 5:44 a.m.
Re: Flood Stasis & The Hidden Secret of "Cold Stor	General Vagueness	2/17/12 6:57 a.m.
Re: Flood Stasis & The Hidden Secret of "Cold Stor	General Vagueness	2/17/12 7:06 a.m.
Re: Quantum Entanglement doesn't work	General Battuta	2/17/12 5:38 p.m.
Quantum Nonlocality	The Lionheart	2/17/12 5:33 p.m.
Re: Quantum Nonlocality	General Battuta	2/17/12 5:40 p.m.
Book recommendation!	Beckx	2/17/12 6:11 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	General Vagueness	2/10/12 9:16 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	General Vagueness	2/9/12 6:12 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/9/12 7:59 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Archilen	2/9/12 8:53 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/9/12 10:11 p.m.
Wow...	Anton1792	2/9/12 10:45 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Archilen	2/10/12 10:50 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/10/12 12:29 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	General Vagueness	2/10/12 11:13 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/10/12 11:26 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	General Vagueness	2/11/12 12:55 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/11/12 1:37 a.m.
Special relativity is dubious in Halo anyway.	uberfoop	2/8/12 7:43 a.m.
Re: Special relativity is dubious in Halo anyway.	Hoovaloov	2/8/12 8:25 a.m.
Re: Special relativity is dubious in Halo anyway.	davidfuchs	2/8/12 1:27 p.m.
Re: Special relativity is dubious in Halo anyway.	Hoovaloov	2/8/12 10:45 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/13/12 12:37 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/13/12 1:19 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/13/12 1:46 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/13/12 2:20 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/13/12 2:33 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Archilen	2/13/12 2:45 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/13/12 2:59 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/13/12 3:00 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/13/12 3:16 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/13/12 3:18 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/13/12 3:50 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Archilen	2/13/12 4:03 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/13/12 4:11 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/13/12 4:21 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/13/12 6:23 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/14/12 10:30 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/14/12 1:32 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/14/12 1:54 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/14/12 1:56 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/14/12 2:20 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/14/12 2:32 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	General Vagueness	2/15/12 5:20 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	General Vagueness	2/15/12 2:40 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/15/12 3:39 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/15/12 2:31 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/13/12 5:16 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/14/12 10:24 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/14/12 1:27 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/14/12 1:41 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	General Vagueness	2/15/12 12:21 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/15/12 2:17 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 12:37 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	General Vagueness	2/16/12 5:27 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 5:29 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/16/12 2:03 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 7:46 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/16/12 8:10 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 9:09 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	JDQuackers	2/16/12 9:14 p.m.
Also...	JDQuackers	2/16/12 9:15 p.m.
Re: Also...	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 9:17 p.m.
Re: Also...	JDQuackers	2/16/12 9:22 p.m.
Re: Also...	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 9:29 p.m.
Re: Also...	JDQuackers	2/16/12 9:31 p.m.
Re: Also...	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 9:45 p.m.
Re: Also...	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/16/12 11:20 p.m.
Re: Also...	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 11:34 p.m.
Re: Also...	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/17/12 12:31 a.m.
Um.	Nikko B201	2/16/12 10:21 p.m.
Re: Um.	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 10:29 p.m.
Re: Um.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/17/12 12:29 a.m.
Sentience vs. Biomass	Hoovaloov	2/17/12 4:08 a.m.
Re: Sentience vs. Biomass - Typo	Hoovaloov	2/17/12 4:11 a.m.
Re: Sentience vs. Biomass	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/17/12 4:26 a.m.
Re: Sentience vs. Biomass	uberfoop	2/17/12 5:09 a.m.
Re: Sentience vs. Biomass	Hoovaloov	2/17/12 5:21 a.m.
Re: Sentience vs. Biomass	uberfoop	2/17/12 5:36 a.m.
Re: Sentience vs. Biomass	Hoovaloov	2/17/12 5:50 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 9:22 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/16/12 11:21 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	uberfoop	2/16/12 5:31 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/16/12 2:04 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	uberfoop	2/16/12 5:31 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/16/12 6:39 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/14/12 12:34 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/14/12 1:37 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/14/12 1:51 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/14/12 1:59 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/14/12 2:54 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/14/12 3:13 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/14/12 3:42 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/14/12 4:36 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/14/12 5:30 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/15/12 2:11 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/15/12 3:35 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/15/12 7:25 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/15/12 11:46 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 3:12 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	uberfoop	2/16/12 3:31 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 7:27 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	uberfoop	2/16/12 8:07 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 8:24 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/16/12 4:30 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 7:23 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/16/12 1:08 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Mid7night	2/16/12 7:48 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/16/12 8:14 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	General Vagueness	2/17/12 3:39 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/17/12 4:24 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	General Vagueness	2/17/12 6:27 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/17/12 1:06 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/17/12 11:04 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/17/12 11:45 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/18/12 1:51 a.m.
Holograms and 2401 PT	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 10:00 p.m.
Re: Holograms and 2401 PT	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/17/12 12:27 a.m.
Re: Holograms and 2401 PT	Hoovaloov	2/17/12 2:57 a.m.
Re: Holograms and 2401 PT	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/17/12 4:21 a.m.
Re: Holograms and 2401 PT	Hoovaloov	2/17/12 5:16 a.m.
Re: Holograms and 2401 PT	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/17/12 12:59 p.m.
Re: Holograms and 2401 PT	JDQuackers	2/17/12 1:39 p.m.
Re: Holograms and 2401 PT	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/17/12 2:13 p.m.
Origin of the Rainbow	Hoovaloov	2/17/12 11:35 p.m.
Re: Holograms and 2401 PT	Hoovaloov	2/18/12 12:17 a.m.
Re: Holograms and 2401 PT	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/18/12 4:29 a.m.
Re: Holograms and 2401 PT	Hoovaloov	2/18/12 4:52 a.m.
Re: Holograms and 2401 PT	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/18/12 1:27 p.m.
Re: Holograms and 2401 PT	Hoovaloov	2/18/12 11:23 p.m.
Re: Holograms and 2401 PT	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/19/12 12:16 a.m.
Rainbow Theory Origins	Hoovaloov	2/18/12 2:41 a.m.
Re: Rainbow Theory Origins	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/18/12 4:33 a.m.
Re: Rainbow Theory Origins	Hoovaloov	2/18/12 4:56 a.m.
Re: Rainbow Theory Origins	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/18/12 1:29 p.m.
Re: Holograms and 2401 PT	General Vagueness	2/17/12 6:33 a.m.
Re: Holograms and 2401 PT	Hoovaloov	2/17/12 9:58 a.m.
Re: Holograms and 2401 PT	JDQuackers	2/17/12 1:41 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	General Vagueness	2/15/12 5:56 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Archilen	2/14/12 3:28 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Archilen	2/14/12 2:58 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/14/12 3:05 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	JDQuackers	2/14/12 4:00 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Archilen	2/14/12 4:12 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	JDQuackers	2/14/12 4:15 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/14/12 4:59 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	General Vagueness	2/15/12 5:24 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/15/12 2:33 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/15/12 4:55 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/15/12 11:53 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Mid7night	2/16/12 7:57 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 9:15 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/14/12 1:39 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/14/12 2:15 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	JDQuackers	2/14/12 2:28 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/14/12 3:00 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/14/12 3:28 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/14/12 3:44 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/14/12 4:24 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/14/12 5:04 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/14/12 5:15 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/15/12 2:19 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/15/12 1:20 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/15/12 2:28 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/15/12 2:34 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	General Vagueness	2/16/12 4:48 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	uberfoop	2/16/12 4:49 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	General Vagueness	2/16/12 5:48 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	JDQuackers	2/14/12 3:56 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/14/12 4:08 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	JDQuackers	2/14/12 4:13 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/14/12 5:00 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Ciarán	2/14/12 5:07 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	General Vagueness	2/15/12 12:11 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/15/12 2:38 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/15/12 3:38 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	General Vagueness	2/15/12 6:33 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/15/12 11:53 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 3:28 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/16/12 4:09 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 4:41 a.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/16/12 1:43 p.m.
Re: How do you survive Halo firing?	Hoovaloov	2/16/12 7:49 p.m.
Lots of vaseline and aluminum foil *NM*	Spec ops Grunt	2/8/12 6:22 a.m.
Re: Lots of vaseline and aluminum foil	scarab	2/8/12 8:05 a.m.
Hop in fridge and hope for the best *NM*	Flynn J Taggart	2/8/12 8:16 a.m.
Re: Hop in fridge and hope for the best	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/8/12 3:24 p.m.
Re: Lots of vaseline and aluminum foil	General Vagueness	2/9/12 4:53 a.m.
THIS is how you survive a Halo firing	rolandk73	2/16/12 5:38 p.m.
Re: THIS is how you survive a Halo firing	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/16/12 6:55 p.m.
Doesn't seem possible Truth knows the truth...	davidfuchs	2/5/12 8:04 p.m.
Read Contact Harvest	The BS Police	2/6/12 5:42 a.m.
Re: Read Contact Harvest	Hoovaloov	2/6/12 9:18 a.m.
Re: Read Contact Harvest	scarab	2/6/12 9:46 a.m.
Re: Read Contact Harvest	Hoovaloov	2/6/12 10:31 a.m.
Re: Read Contact Harvest	Bry	2/6/12 11:58 a.m.
When's "The Long Dark" coming out? :P *NM*	Arithmomaniac	2/6/12 1:25 p.m.
Never seen Babylon 5	Bry	2/6/12 1:59 p.m.
That phrase... It's not what you think it is	JDQuackers	2/6/12 2:09 p.m.
Re: That phrase... It's not what you think it is	Bry	2/6/12 6:00 p.m.
Re: That phrase... It's not what you think it is	JDQuackers	2/6/12 6:12 p.m.
Re: That phrase... It's not what you think it is	Leviathan	2/7/12 2:52 a.m.
Lol.	Arithmomaniac	2/6/12 7:44 p.m.
Re: Read Contact Harvest	davidfuchs	2/6/12 1:42 p.m.
Re: Read Contact Harvest	Bry	2/6/12 1:58 p.m.
Re: Read Contact Harvest	Leviathan	2/7/12 2:49 a.m.
Re: Read Contact Harvest	Metalingus627	2/7/12 3:28 a.m.
Re: Read Contact Harvest	Bry	2/7/12 5:23 p.m.
Re: Read Contact Harvest	The BS Police	2/8/12 7:51 a.m.
Re: Read Contact Harvest	Bry	2/8/12 2:27 p.m.
Re: Read Contact Harvest	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	2/8/12 3:26 p.m.
Re: Read Contact Harvest	Bry	2/7/12 3:56 p.m.