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Re: Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem.
Posted By: HoovaloovDate: 1/31/12 9:17 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem. (RC Master)


I agree with all of your points about how a strict restriction on True Skill matches for MM increases waiting times, makes every game "wearing" (aka competitive...), and could lead to a population decline for these reasons.

But here's the end result of that line of thinking:

We don't want high wait times for matches, so let's match unequally skilled players more often.
Unequal matches lead to unequal games, which are not fun for anyone over the long haul.
So let's increase the "luckiness" of weapons in order to blur the inequality.

This is what Default Reach did. Zero Bloom removes almost all luck factors in 1v1 DMR battles and will reward the more skilled player in almost every encounter. ZB also makes every non-DMR/NR, non-power weapon worthless. Is this "fun"? Depends on your tastes. Lots of people in MLG think the trade for true outcomes in tests of skill is worth the limitation of the sandbox. Lots of people think this is quite boring.

The TU doesn't remove all luck like ZB, it just increases the odds a more skilled player will win a 1v1. And shouldn't the more skilled player have an advantage? I believe those who like the TU are of the opinion that Default Reach didn't give more skilled players enough of an advantage.

This would be just fine if MM was doing a good job matching equally skilled players more often. Games would be close no matter what bloom setting was being used.

Your point is that a strict matching of True Skill is ultimately not fun (see: Arena). I agree.

My point is that the very loose matching of True Skill in everything but Arena is now being exposed by the TU. I like being rewarded for being more skilled than an opponent. But I do not want to wait forever for matches, nor do I want every game to be 50-49.

I just want a compromise. Not only should the TU gametypes be slightly rebalanced to buff automatic weapons, they should also have a slight tweak to True Skill matching. It shouldn't be as strict as Arena, just a bit tighter than it is currently. I don't mind winning a large percentage of the time, I just don't like winning 100-43 every other game. Nor do I want to have every game be a nail-biter. Something in between would be nice.

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Replies:

TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/29/12 6:41 p.m.
     Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 7:12 p.m.
           Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Overdoziz 1/30/12 12:28 a.m.
     ride dat dolphin *NM*MoltenSlowa 1/29/12 7:14 p.m.
     Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 7:15 p.m.
     Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*NartFOpc 1/29/12 7:17 p.m.
           Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 7:18 p.m.
           Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/30/12 12:21 a.m.
                 Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Overdoziz 1/30/12 12:27 a.m.
                       Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*FyreWulff 1/30/12 12:46 a.m.
                             Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Kalamari 1/30/12 1:13 a.m.
                                   Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*FyreWulff 1/30/12 2:28 a.m.
                                         I don't even understand why it matters anymoreRevenant1988 1/30/12 4:20 a.m.
                                         Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/30/12 4:21 a.m.
                       Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/30/12 1:24 a.m.
                             Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Overdoziz 1/30/12 1:35 p.m.
                                   Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/31/12 3:43 a.m.
                                         Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Overdoziz 1/31/12 2:04 p.m.
                       Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/30/12 4:19 a.m.
                             Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Revenant1988 1/30/12 4:21 a.m.
                 Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*NartFOpc 1/30/12 2:11 a.m.
     Re: TU magnum - it's pretty good *link*kidtsunami 1/30/12 1:31 a.m.
           btw, total joke, it's swat *NM*kidtsunami 1/30/12 1:37 a.m.
     The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.uberfoop 1/30/12 1:43 a.m.
           Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.RC Master 1/30/12 2:09 a.m.
           Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.Pkmnrulz240 1/30/12 4:37 a.m.
                 Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.Spec ops Grunt 1/30/12 4:44 a.m.
                 Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.RC Master 1/30/12 10:02 a.m.
                       Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.DEEP NNN 1/30/12 5:55 p.m.
                             Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.General Vagueness 1/30/12 10:16 p.m.
                             Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.Overdoziz 1/30/12 10:22 p.m.
                                   Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.Louis Wu 1/30/12 10:27 p.m.
                                   Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.uberfoop 1/30/12 10:41 p.m.
                                         Err, wait, I spoke sillyishly.uberfoop 1/30/12 10:46 p.m.
                             Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.RC Master 1/31/12 3:48 a.m.
     Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*DEEP NNN 1/30/12 2:35 a.m.
           Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/30/12 4:25 a.m.
                 Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/30/12 4:34 a.m.
                       Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*kidtsunami 1/30/12 4:51 a.m.
           What's actually causing the snowballing?uberfoop 1/30/12 5:14 a.m.
                 What makes a game "meaningful"?Hoovaloov 1/30/12 1:20 p.m.
           Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem...Hoovaloov 1/30/12 1:02 p.m.
                 Re: Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem.DEEP NNN 1/30/12 2:14 p.m.
                       Re: Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem.FyreWulff 1/30/12 3:06 p.m.
                 I disagree completelyRevenant1988 1/30/12 3:13 p.m.
                       Re: I disagree completelyHoovaloov 1/30/12 3:44 p.m.
                             Re: I disagree completelyFyreWulff 1/30/12 3:53 p.m.
                             Re: I disagree completelyRevenant1988 1/30/12 5:06 p.m.
                                   Re: I disagree completelyHoovaloov 1/31/12 8:54 p.m.
                       Re: I disagree completelyLouis Wu 1/30/12 3:51 p.m.
                             Re: I disagree completelyRevenant1988 1/30/12 5:19 p.m.
                                   Re: I disagree completelyLouis Wu 1/30/12 5:29 p.m.
                                         Re: I disagree completelyRC Master 1/31/12 5:27 a.m.
                             Re: I disagree completelyOverdoziz 1/30/12 5:49 p.m.
                 Re: Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem.RC Master 1/31/12 7:03 a.m.
                       Re: Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem.Hoovaloov 1/31/12 9:17 p.m.
     Hm. 85% bloom isn't as bad as I thought.Gravemind 1/30/12 7:27 a.m.
           Re: Hm. 85% bloom isn't as bad as I thought.FyreWulff 1/30/12 7:42 a.m.
                 Re: Hm. 85% bloom isn't as bad as I thought.uberfoop 1/30/12 8:03 a.m.
                       Re: Hm. 85% bloom isn't as bad as I thought.FyreWulff 1/30/12 8:08 a.m.



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