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Re: I disagree completely
Posted By: Louis Wu <halo@bungie.org>Date: 1/30/12 11:29 a.m.

In Response To: Re: I disagree completely (Revenant1988)


: Isn't it possible that TS DOES work but the TU messed with the average for
: most players? As in, the rules have been redefined and now it has to
: adjust?

: I don't think that TS in Vanilla Reach = TS in TU reach (or anniversary
: reach)

: A player who was bad/good and vanilla may not necessarily be the same in that
: playlist after the TU was applied (they could go either way, better or
: worse...maybe even stay the same) so the TS probably wasn't reset when the
: TU was applied for that playlist (its starting to sound like maybe it
: should have).

: A+B=C
: If A= player and B= Vanilla and C= TS, wouldn't the value of C change if B
: was changed from Vanilla to TU?

: That's how I'm looking at it.

: Does that make sense? It's hard to put into words.... I'm trying. Fuck, I'm
: probably wrong anyway...

Heh - I had some trouble figuring out what the hell you were talking about, since I was using TS to indicate 'Team Slayer' in my post, and you were using it for something else. (I figured out that you meant 'TrueSkill' - yes, that should have been obvious. Might have been, if I hadn't just used it for something else. :) )

Anyway - since the TU was put into place, I've played more than 50 games in the Squad Slayer playlist. Again - this SHOULD be enough for TrueSkill to get a measure of my style. It certainly had a better feel for me 50 games into Vanilla Squad Slayer. These totally lopsided games didn't happen regularly until recently.

::shrug::

I cannot say with certainty what's really going on behind the scenes - but I CAN say that since the TU came out, my overall K/D has increased by several points - not an insignificant achievement after 3000 multiplayer games. I don't think I suddenly got better; I think I'm being matched up with people well below the skill level of those I was matched up with BEFORE the TU. It's happening across all playlists. And I can't really attribute that to the idea that "people just play worse under the TU."

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TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/29/12 12:41 p.m.
     Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 1:12 p.m.
           Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Overdoziz 1/29/12 6:28 p.m.
     ride dat dolphin *NM*MoltenSlowa 1/29/12 1:14 p.m.
     Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 1:15 p.m.
     Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*NartFOpc 1/29/12 1:17 p.m.
           Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 1:18 p.m.
           Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/29/12 6:21 p.m.
                 Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Overdoziz 1/29/12 6:27 p.m.
                       Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*FyreWulff 1/29/12 6:46 p.m.
                             Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Kalamari 1/29/12 7:13 p.m.
                                   Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*FyreWulff 1/29/12 8:28 p.m.
                                         I don't even understand why it matters anymoreRevenant1988 1/29/12 10:20 p.m.
                                         Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 10:21 p.m.
                       Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/29/12 7:24 p.m.
                             Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Overdoziz 1/30/12 7:35 a.m.
                                   Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/30/12 9:43 p.m.
                                         Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Overdoziz 1/31/12 8:04 a.m.
                       Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 10:19 p.m.
                             Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Revenant1988 1/29/12 10:21 p.m.
                 Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*NartFOpc 1/29/12 8:11 p.m.
     Re: TU magnum - it's pretty good *link*kidtsunami 1/29/12 7:31 p.m.
           btw, total joke, it's swat *NM*kidtsunami 1/29/12 7:37 p.m.
     The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.uberfoop 1/29/12 7:43 p.m.
           Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.RC Master 1/29/12 8:09 p.m.
           Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.Pkmnrulz240 1/29/12 10:37 p.m.
                 Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 10:44 p.m.
                 Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.RC Master 1/30/12 4:02 a.m.
                       Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.DEEP NNN 1/30/12 11:55 a.m.
                             Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.General Vagueness 1/30/12 4:16 p.m.
                             Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.Overdoziz 1/30/12 4:22 p.m.
                                   Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.Louis Wu 1/30/12 4:27 p.m.
                                   Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.uberfoop 1/30/12 4:41 p.m.
                                         Err, wait, I spoke sillyishly.uberfoop 1/30/12 4:46 p.m.
                             Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.RC Master 1/30/12 9:48 p.m.
     Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*DEEP NNN 1/29/12 8:35 p.m.
           Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 10:25 p.m.
                 Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/29/12 10:34 p.m.
                       Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*kidtsunami 1/29/12 10:51 p.m.
           What's actually causing the snowballing?uberfoop 1/29/12 11:14 p.m.
                 What makes a game "meaningful"?Hoovaloov 1/30/12 7:20 a.m.
           Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem...Hoovaloov 1/30/12 7:02 a.m.
                 Re: Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem.DEEP NNN 1/30/12 8:14 a.m.
                       Re: Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem.FyreWulff 1/30/12 9:06 a.m.
                 I disagree completelyRevenant1988 1/30/12 9:13 a.m.
                       Re: I disagree completelyHoovaloov 1/30/12 9:44 a.m.
                             Re: I disagree completelyFyreWulff 1/30/12 9:53 a.m.
                             Re: I disagree completelyRevenant1988 1/30/12 11:06 a.m.
                                   Re: I disagree completelyHoovaloov 1/31/12 2:54 p.m.
                       Re: I disagree completelyLouis Wu 1/30/12 9:51 a.m.
                             Re: I disagree completelyRevenant1988 1/30/12 11:19 a.m.
                                   Re: I disagree completelyLouis Wu 1/30/12 11:29 a.m.
                                         Re: I disagree completelyRC Master 1/30/12 11:27 p.m.
                             Re: I disagree completelyOverdoziz 1/30/12 11:49 a.m.
                 Re: Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem.RC Master 1/31/12 1:03 a.m.
                       Re: Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem.Hoovaloov 1/31/12 3:17 p.m.
     Hm. 85% bloom isn't as bad as I thought.Gravemind 1/30/12 1:27 a.m.
           Re: Hm. 85% bloom isn't as bad as I thought.FyreWulff 1/30/12 1:42 a.m.
                 Re: Hm. 85% bloom isn't as bad as I thought.uberfoop 1/30/12 2:03 a.m.
                       Re: Hm. 85% bloom isn't as bad as I thought.FyreWulff 1/30/12 2:08 a.m.



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