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I disagree completely
Posted By: Revenant1988 <dga1988@yahoo.com>Date: 1/30/12 9:13 a.m.

In Response To: Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem... (Hoovaloov)

: In other words, perhaps if Matchmaking was doing its job, then even if the
: weapons got buffed, equally skilled players would still have a competitive
: match.

I think you are flat out wrong here. MM and trueskill are doing their job. BTB is, and always has been a challenge for the TS system because it takes many, many games for the system to classify you because of the size of the teams. Opposed to regular team slayer where it only needs to match you with 7 other people in your skill range, it now needs to do that with 15 people. And that, is assuming you go in solo and only get matched with randoms. What happens when you join in a full party of 8 with skill ranging from very low to very high? Trueskill is going first try to search for another full party of 8, and try to get the skill as close as possible. If it can't it generally seems to match randoms that are in the middle or average skill level of the 'partied' team as it were.

: I find that I'm often matched with groups of randoms that my team and I can
: destroy, or pitted against an MLG caliber team. There are not very many
: games that end 50-45 or 100-96.

Here is a sample of the last 10 slayer based BTB games that Team HBO (full party of 8) has played. Not one, of these games did we play an opposing team of a party of 8. The most in a party has been 4, some times a few groups of 2. People usually start to quit once we get about 15 kills ahead or so.
Team HBO is pretty good, but we are not pro's- we all have varying skill levels and you can see the system here trying its best to keep it even between us. If you glance at the scores, you can see that there was only really one game that we were evenly matched and that game was a lot of fun if you ask the people who were there that night. True Skill is a system that works over time, it is not instant, it works based on averages. In BTB, you have to play quite a lot to get that average. This harks back to the Halo 3 days where people treated the 1-50 as something they could climb, when in reality it was just showing you where you stacked in that playlist compared to the rest of the population. That got a lot of people upset because they assumed it meant they could keep progressing from a 40 to a 50 when in reality if TS said you were a 43, guess what- YOU'RE A 43.

100-36
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/GameStats.aspx?gameid=916128668&player=Revenant1988

94-73
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100-77
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100-99
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100-20
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100-57
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100-63
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/GameStats.aspx?gameid=902280322&player=Revenant1988

No matter how bad 343 could possibly break Reach, TS will compensate and group players of equal to similar skill based on the rules it has to play by. There are a lot of people that don't like the TU because they are getting matched against people that are too good at it or too bad, give it time, and you won't have to worry about it because TS will eventually match you with players that fit in your range, it just needs to catch you. If anything, enjoy the steamrolling while you can because eventually it will catch you.

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TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/29/12 12:41 p.m.
     Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 1:12 p.m.
           Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Overdoziz 1/29/12 6:28 p.m.
     ride dat dolphin *NM*MoltenSlowa 1/29/12 1:14 p.m.
     Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 1:15 p.m.
     Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*NartFOpc 1/29/12 1:17 p.m.
           Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 1:18 p.m.
           Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/29/12 6:21 p.m.
                 Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Overdoziz 1/29/12 6:27 p.m.
                       Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*FyreWulff 1/29/12 6:46 p.m.
                             Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Kalamari 1/29/12 7:13 p.m.
                                   Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*FyreWulff 1/29/12 8:28 p.m.
                                         I don't even understand why it matters anymoreRevenant1988 1/29/12 10:20 p.m.
                                         Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 10:21 p.m.
                       Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/29/12 7:24 p.m.
                             Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Overdoziz 1/30/12 7:35 a.m.
                                   Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/30/12 9:43 p.m.
                                         Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Overdoziz 1/31/12 8:04 a.m.
                       Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 10:19 p.m.
                             Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Revenant1988 1/29/12 10:21 p.m.
                 Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*NartFOpc 1/29/12 8:11 p.m.
     Re: TU magnum - it's pretty good *link*kidtsunami 1/29/12 7:31 p.m.
           btw, total joke, it's swat *NM*kidtsunami 1/29/12 7:37 p.m.
     The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.uberfoop 1/29/12 7:43 p.m.
           Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.RC Master 1/29/12 8:09 p.m.
           Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.Pkmnrulz240 1/29/12 10:37 p.m.
                 Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 10:44 p.m.
                 Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.RC Master 1/30/12 4:02 a.m.
                       Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.DEEP NNN 1/30/12 11:55 a.m.
                             Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.General Vagueness 1/30/12 4:16 p.m.
                             Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.Overdoziz 1/30/12 4:22 p.m.
                                   Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.Louis Wu 1/30/12 4:27 p.m.
                                   Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.uberfoop 1/30/12 4:41 p.m.
                                         Err, wait, I spoke sillyishly.uberfoop 1/30/12 4:46 p.m.
                             Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.RC Master 1/30/12 9:48 p.m.
     Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*DEEP NNN 1/29/12 8:35 p.m.
           Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 10:25 p.m.
                 Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/29/12 10:34 p.m.
                       Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*kidtsunami 1/29/12 10:51 p.m.
           What's actually causing the snowballing?uberfoop 1/29/12 11:14 p.m.
                 What makes a game "meaningful"?Hoovaloov 1/30/12 7:20 a.m.
           Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem...Hoovaloov 1/30/12 7:02 a.m.
                 Re: Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem.DEEP NNN 1/30/12 8:14 a.m.
                       Re: Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem.FyreWulff 1/30/12 9:06 a.m.
                 I disagree completelyRevenant1988 1/30/12 9:13 a.m.
                       Re: I disagree completelyHoovaloov 1/30/12 9:44 a.m.
                             Re: I disagree completelyFyreWulff 1/30/12 9:53 a.m.
                             Re: I disagree completelyRevenant1988 1/30/12 11:06 a.m.
                                   Re: I disagree completelyHoovaloov 1/31/12 2:54 p.m.
                       Re: I disagree completelyLouis Wu 1/30/12 9:51 a.m.
                             Re: I disagree completelyRevenant1988 1/30/12 11:19 a.m.
                                   Re: I disagree completelyLouis Wu 1/30/12 11:29 a.m.
                                         Re: I disagree completelyRC Master 1/30/12 11:27 p.m.
                             Re: I disagree completelyOverdoziz 1/30/12 11:49 a.m.
                 Re: Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem.RC Master 1/31/12 1:03 a.m.
                       Re: Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem.Hoovaloov 1/31/12 3:17 p.m.
     Hm. 85% bloom isn't as bad as I thought.Gravemind 1/30/12 1:27 a.m.
           Re: Hm. 85% bloom isn't as bad as I thought.FyreWulff 1/30/12 1:42 a.m.
                 Re: Hm. 85% bloom isn't as bad as I thought.uberfoop 1/30/12 2:03 a.m.
                       Re: Hm. 85% bloom isn't as bad as I thought.FyreWulff 1/30/12 2:08 a.m.



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