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What's actually causing the snowballing?
Posted By: uberfoop <atkinso2@seattleu.edu>Date: 1/29/12 11:14 p.m.

In Response To: Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid* (DEEP NNN)


Seems like we're complaining about getting spawnkilled, and also complaining about Reach having too large a skill gap.

Hold on a second.

Reach has ALWAYS involved a fair chunk of DMR/nerfle usage, at least in playlists that use them as spawn weapons. Not as much as it does now, but it's never been as far-separated from former Halo's balancings as some people like to claim. Tons of players, even in vanilla Reach, had 70%+ of their competitive MP non-PW non-vehicle kills consisting purely of DMR/nerfle.
My point is, if we're arguing that those weapons are now easier to use (and we obviously are, if we're going to stand around and shout about how easy it is to headshot and whatnot now), the shooting skill gap has quite possibly actually gotten smaller.

And, if anything, wouldn't that be a possible reason that spawnkilling could have gotten worse? If firing performance is more optimized even for lower skill levels, then kill times will presumably become more homogenized, and the game will presumably lean more toward favouring first-shot-gets-kill, right? And spawnkillers usually have the drop, so...

Yeah, I dunno. It seems like, if anything, a higher skill gap might be preferable. Yes, the tables tilt more easily, but they also probably wouldn't be as locked in post-tilting. That is, you might be more capable of accomplishing something meaningful.

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TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/29/12 12:41 p.m.
     Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 1:12 p.m.
           Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Overdoziz 1/29/12 6:28 p.m.
     ride dat dolphin *NM*MoltenSlowa 1/29/12 1:14 p.m.
     Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 1:15 p.m.
     Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*NartFOpc 1/29/12 1:17 p.m.
           Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 1:18 p.m.
           Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/29/12 6:21 p.m.
                 Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Overdoziz 1/29/12 6:27 p.m.
                       Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*FyreWulff 1/29/12 6:46 p.m.
                             Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Kalamari 1/29/12 7:13 p.m.
                                   Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*FyreWulff 1/29/12 8:28 p.m.
                                         I don't even understand why it matters anymoreRevenant1988 1/29/12 10:20 p.m.
                                         Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 10:21 p.m.
                       Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/29/12 7:24 p.m.
                             Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Overdoziz 1/30/12 7:35 a.m.
                                   Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/30/12 9:43 p.m.
                                         Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Overdoziz 1/31/12 8:04 a.m.
                       Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 10:19 p.m.
                             Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Revenant1988 1/29/12 10:21 p.m.
                 Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*NartFOpc 1/29/12 8:11 p.m.
     Re: TU magnum - it's pretty good *link*kidtsunami 1/29/12 7:31 p.m.
           btw, total joke, it's swat *NM*kidtsunami 1/29/12 7:37 p.m.
     The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.uberfoop 1/29/12 7:43 p.m.
           Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.RC Master 1/29/12 8:09 p.m.
           Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.Pkmnrulz240 1/29/12 10:37 p.m.
                 Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 10:44 p.m.
                 Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.RC Master 1/30/12 4:02 a.m.
                       Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.DEEP NNN 1/30/12 11:55 a.m.
                             Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.General Vagueness 1/30/12 4:16 p.m.
                             Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.Overdoziz 1/30/12 4:22 p.m.
                                   Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.Louis Wu 1/30/12 4:27 p.m.
                                   Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.uberfoop 1/30/12 4:41 p.m.
                                         Err, wait, I spoke sillyishly.uberfoop 1/30/12 4:46 p.m.
                             Re: The video doesn't emphasize the nerfle.RC Master 1/30/12 9:48 p.m.
     Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*DEEP NNN 1/29/12 8:35 p.m.
           Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*Spec ops Grunt 1/29/12 10:25 p.m.
                 Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*RC Master 1/29/12 10:34 p.m.
                       Re: TU Needle Rifle - it's pretty good *vid*kidtsunami 1/29/12 10:51 p.m.
           What's actually causing the snowballing?uberfoop 1/29/12 11:14 p.m.
                 What makes a game "meaningful"?Hoovaloov 1/30/12 7:20 a.m.
           Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem...Hoovaloov 1/30/12 7:02 a.m.
                 Re: Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem.DEEP NNN 1/30/12 8:14 a.m.
                       Re: Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem.FyreWulff 1/30/12 9:06 a.m.
                 I disagree completelyRevenant1988 1/30/12 9:13 a.m.
                       Re: I disagree completelyHoovaloov 1/30/12 9:44 a.m.
                             Re: I disagree completelyFyreWulff 1/30/12 9:53 a.m.
                             Re: I disagree completelyRevenant1988 1/30/12 11:06 a.m.
                                   Re: I disagree completelyHoovaloov 1/31/12 2:54 p.m.
                       Re: I disagree completelyLouis Wu 1/30/12 9:51 a.m.
                             Re: I disagree completelyRevenant1988 1/30/12 11:19 a.m.
                                   Re: I disagree completelyLouis Wu 1/30/12 11:29 a.m.
                                         Re: I disagree completelyRC Master 1/30/12 11:27 p.m.
                             Re: I disagree completelyOverdoziz 1/30/12 11:49 a.m.
                 Re: Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem.RC Master 1/31/12 1:03 a.m.
                       Re: Maybe the TU is just exposing another problem.Hoovaloov 1/31/12 3:17 p.m.
     Hm. 85% bloom isn't as bad as I thought.Gravemind 1/30/12 1:27 a.m.
           Re: Hm. 85% bloom isn't as bad as I thought.FyreWulff 1/30/12 1:42 a.m.
                 Re: Hm. 85% bloom isn't as bad as I thought.uberfoop 1/30/12 2:03 a.m.
                       Re: Hm. 85% bloom isn't as bad as I thought.FyreWulff 1/30/12 2:08 a.m.



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