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Regardless of canonity
Posted By: C.W. Miller	Date: 1/4/12 7:04 a.m.
In Response To: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . . (Seraph XXVII) It's pretty weak how things end up now. A radio call tells you you are being redeployed to Sword Base, and Hasley tells you to deliver the last hope for humanity to Keyes. First of all, this is weak because our main group of characters does not discover this last hope, nor do they enable someone else to discover it, nor do they really have anything to do with it. In orbit, Dot tells Jorge that sword base is basically wiped out, and you can see the huge explosions. Yet, it turns out Halsey is okay after all. The spartans could have pretty much just chilled in sword base and not gone on any of the missions, and everything would still be fine! The proper way to do this, would to have the data from the dead scientist you encounter on Winter Contingency be some sort of clue. They notice it's been copied by the Elite Commanders that took the girl hostage. Intrigued, Noble Team ventures under sword base to find a huge alien structure! The mystery unravels, and the purpose of the structure begins to reveal itself, and so Noble Team has to get to the data before the covenant find it themselves! We also have some dramatic tension here: the decision between investigating the mystery, or fighting the war outside. Certain members of Noble Team might be conflicted, with a few thinking it's a wild goose chase and wishing they could help on Reach's surface, torn by listening to what's happening to the cities but not helping. For instance, Jorge could recognize the potential importance of the data, while Emile thinks searching for it is bullshit while the Covenant are blowing up the planet. By the end though, Emile will come to understand how important it is, and so his sacrifice in the end would be more meaningful. As it is now, Carter and Emile really don't have any reason to give their lives. They know nothing about the Package, nor are they told exactly what it is - only vague terms. Carter doesn't even like Halsey. He threatened her in the Sword Base opening cutscene because he though her priorities were mixed up. So for him to take what she says on faith, and not question or try to understand it at all, makes no sense. If however, Noble Team made the discovery, then they would have all the reason in the world to give their lives to make sure it got back to the surface. This would give the game a kind of neat feel I think; where you're underground most of the game fighting to get back to the surface. When you make it back, the Planet is devastated. That's just one way it could have been done. The point is, that Noble Team needed to drive the plot forward themselves. That's the biggest disappointment when it comes to the story - the main characters don't act or make decisions that move the plot or story, nor do they have any personal investment in seeing it completed.

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As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .	Seraph XXVII	1/3/12 4:55 a.m.
Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .	FyreWulff	1/3/12 5:08 a.m.
^like face book we need a dislike button. :)	Bryan Newman	1/3/12 5:55 a.m.
Re: ^like face book we need a dislike button. :)	FyreWulff	1/3/12 10:08 a.m.
Re: ^like face book we need a dislike button. :)	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/3/12 2:31 p.m.
Re: ^like face book we need a dislike button. :)	FyreWulff	1/3/12 3:01 p.m.
Re: ^like face book we need a dislike button. :)	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/3/12 4:08 p.m.
I know the answer *img*	Revenant1988	1/3/12 4:11 p.m.
Re: I know the answer *img*	LostSpartan987	1/3/12 5:45 p.m.
Trololol *NM*	stabbim	1/3/12 9:04 p.m.
Re: ^like face book we need a dislike button. :)	FyreWulff	1/3/12 5:32 p.m.
Re: ^like face book we need a dislike button. :)	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/3/12 7:14 p.m.
Re: didn't like the post title, oddly enough	General Vagueness	1/3/12 5:10 p.m.
Re: didn't like the post title, oddly enough	FyreWulff	1/3/12 5:25 p.m.
Re: didn't like the post title, oddly enough	General Vagueness	1/3/12 6:53 p.m.
Re: didn't like the post title, oddly enough	davidfuchs	1/3/12 7:41 p.m.
Re: didn't like the post title, oddly enough	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/3/12 8:01 p.m.
Re: didn't like the post title, oddly enough	Quirel	1/3/12 10:06 p.m.
Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .	Gravemind	1/3/12 7:22 a.m.
Re: As much as I enjoy HBO . . .	Hedgemony	1/3/12 9:27 a.m.
Re: As much as I enjoy HBO . . .	DEEP NNN	1/3/12 12:25 p.m.
Re: As much as I enjoy HBO . . .	FyreWulff	1/3/12 12:31 p.m.
Re: As much as I enjoy HBO . . .	DEEP NNN	1/3/12 12:59 p.m.
Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .	FyreWulff	1/3/12 10:03 a.m.
Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .	FyreWulff	1/3/12 10:07 a.m.
Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .	davidfuchs	1/3/12 1:42 p.m.
Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .	General Vagueness	1/3/12 4:15 p.m.
Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .	pete_the_duck	1/3/12 5:25 p.m.
Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .	Gravemind	1/3/12 7:50 p.m.
Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .	pete_the_duck	1/3/12 9:57 p.m.
Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .	FyreWulff	1/4/12 12:58 a.m.
Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .	Gravemind	1/3/12 7:58 p.m.
Yes! This is how I've always felt! ^	Jillybean	1/3/12 6:52 p.m.
Re: Yes! This is how I've always felt! ^	General Vagueness	1/3/12 7:17 p.m.
Re: Yes! This is how I've always felt! ^	uberfoop	1/3/12 7:25 p.m.
Re: Yes! This is how I've always felt! ^	General Vagueness	1/3/12 7:52 p.m.
Re: Yes! This is how I've always felt! ^	Vandle Valsher	1/3/12 7:57 p.m.
Re: Yes! This is how I've always felt! ^	uberfoop	1/3/12 8:23 p.m.
Re: Yes! This is how I've always felt! ^	Quirel	1/3/12 10:12 p.m.
Re: Yes! This is how I've always felt! ^	uberfoop	1/3/12 11:01 p.m.
Oh, unless...	uberfoop	1/3/12 11:09 p.m.
Re: Yes! This is how I've always felt! ^	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/3/12 7:26 p.m.
My two Cents	crzymnky069	1/4/12 5:43 a.m.
Re: My two Cents	Devil Mingy	1/4/12 6:24 a.m.
Re: My two Cents	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/4/12 11:44 a.m.
Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	Gravemind	1/4/12 10:11 p.m.
Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/4/12 10:21 p.m.
Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	Quirel	1/4/12 11:10 p.m.
Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/5/12 12:03 a.m.
Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	Gravemind	1/4/12 11:16 p.m.
Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	Quirel	1/4/12 11:47 p.m.
Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/5/12 12:11 a.m.
Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	Gravemind	1/5/12 12:24 a.m.
Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/5/12 2:19 a.m.
Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	DHalo	1/5/12 2:36 a.m.
Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/5/12 2:45 a.m.
Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	Quirel	1/5/12 4:18 a.m.
Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/5/12 12:29 p.m.
Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	Gravemind	1/5/12 4:07 a.m.
Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/5/12 12:42 p.m.
Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	DHalo	1/5/12 11:08 p.m.
Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	DEEP NNN	1/5/12 2:41 a.m.
Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/5/12 2:50 a.m.
Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	General Vagueness	1/5/12 5:02 a.m.
Except for Douglas Adams *NM*	scarab	1/4/12 11:10 p.m.
Well, yes, obviously. :) *NM*	Gravemind	1/4/12 11:46 p.m.
Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.	General Vagueness	1/5/12 4:43 a.m.
Re: In this economy?	Hedgemony	1/4/12 10:25 a.m.
Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .	kanbo	1/3/12 5:25 a.m.
Agreed	Flynn J Taggart	1/3/12 9:21 a.m.
Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .	DEEP NNN	1/3/12 12:22 p.m.
Forget canon, what about the story itself	davidfuchs	1/3/12 1:49 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/3/12 2:28 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	davidfuchs	1/3/12 3:13 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	FyreWulff	1/3/12 3:22 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	Beckx	1/3/12 3:23 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	stabbim	1/3/12 9:53 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	Revenant1988	1/3/12 3:25 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	Leisandir	1/3/12 3:34 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	FyreWulff	1/3/12 4:04 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	Leisandir	1/3/12 4:25 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	NsU Soldier	1/4/12 12:04 a.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	General Vagueness	1/3/12 6:20 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	General Vagueness	1/3/12 6:11 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	stabbim	1/3/12 10:48 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	davidfuchs	1/3/12 11:15 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	Beckx	1/3/12 11:28 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	davidfuchs	1/4/12 12:03 a.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	FyreWulff	1/3/12 3:11 p.m.
No, and yes.	Revenant1988	1/3/12 3:20 p.m.
Re: No, and yes.	General Vagueness	1/3/12 6:07 p.m.
Re: No, and yes.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/3/12 7:18 p.m.
Re: No, and yes.	General Vagueness	1/3/12 7:42 p.m.
Re: No, and yes.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/3/12 8:03 p.m.
What happened to Carter.	NsU Soldier	1/4/12 12:46 a.m.
Re: What happened to Carter.	stabbim	1/4/12 7:28 a.m.
Also...	stabbim	1/4/12 7:29 a.m.
Re: No, and yes.	General Vagueness	1/4/12 6:01 a.m.
Re: No, and yes.	GrimBrother IV	1/3/12 8:28 p.m.
Re: No, and yes.	General Vagueness	1/4/12 6:29 a.m.
Re: No, and yes.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/4/12 11:47 a.m.
Re: No, and yes.	stabbim	1/4/12 4:16 p.m.
Re: No, and yes.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/4/12 5:03 p.m.
Re: No, and yes.	Leisandir	1/4/12 10:16 p.m.
Re: No, and yes.	General Vagueness	1/5/12 4:05 a.m.
Re: No, and yes.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/5/12 12:38 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	General Vagueness	1/3/12 5:29 p.m.
Rightish, and wrong.	Quirel	1/3/12 5:50 p.m.
Re: Rightish, and wrong.	7he grunt w/a plasma pistol	1/3/12 6:04 p.m.
Re: Rightish, and wrong.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/3/12 7:16 p.m.
Re: Rightish, and wrong.	Quirel	1/3/12 10:06 p.m.
Re: Rightish, and wrong.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/3/12 11:28 p.m.
What about Harvest?	BlueNinja	1/6/12 10:09 a.m.
Re: What about Harvest?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/6/12 11:47 a.m.
Re: What about Harvest?	BlueNinja	1/6/12 12:04 p.m.
Re: What about Harvest?	The Loot	1/6/12 1:55 p.m.
Re: What about Harvest?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/6/12 3:47 p.m.
Re: What about Harvest?	Leviathan	1/6/12 6:54 p.m.
Re: What about Harvest?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/6/12 7:06 p.m.
Re: What about Harvest?	Bry	1/6/12 11:36 p.m.
Re: What about Harvest?	General Vagueness	1/6/12 6:58 p.m.
Re: What about Harvest?	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/6/12 7:07 p.m.
Re: What about Harvest?	Urban Reflex	1/6/12 2:19 p.m.
Re: What about Harvest?	7he grunt w/a plasma pistol	1/6/12 2:26 p.m.
Re: What about Harvest?	SonofMacPhisto	1/6/12 4:25 p.m.
Re: What about Harvest?	davidfuchs	1/6/12 5:38 p.m.
Re: What about Harvest?	Beckx	1/6/12 5:55 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	Revenant1988	1/3/12 3:15 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/3/12 4:19 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	Flynn J Taggart	1/4/12 12:11 a.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/4/12 12:41 a.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	Flynn J Taggart	1/4/12 1:01 a.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	Quirel	1/4/12 2:35 a.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	Flynn J Taggart	1/4/12 4:39 a.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	General Vagueness	1/3/12 6:04 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	General Vagueness	1/3/12 4:27 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	davidfuchs	1/3/12 8:23 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	GrimBrother IV	1/3/12 8:21 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	davidfuchs	1/3/12 8:25 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	GrimBrother IV	1/3/12 8:33 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	davidfuchs	1/3/12 9:27 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	GrimBrother IV	1/3/12 9:41 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	uberfoop	1/3/12 9:43 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	Beckx	1/3/12 9:51 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	davidfuchs	1/3/12 10:03 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/3/12 11:24 p.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	davidfuchs	1/4/12 12:18 a.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/4/12 12:43 a.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	General Vagueness	1/5/12 3:32 a.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/5/12 12:33 p.m.
Also agreed and a note on Spartan deaths	Flynn J Taggart	1/4/12 12:52 a.m.
Re: Forget canon, what about the story itself	General Vagueness	1/4/12 6:24 a.m.
Suspension of Disbelief: Why Canon is Important.	Leviathan	1/3/12 9:04 p.m.
Hear Hear	davidfuchs	1/3/12 9:30 p.m.
Re: Suspension of Disbelief: Why Canon is Importan	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/3/12 11:20 p.m.
Re: Suspension of Disbelief: Why Canon is Importan	uberfoop	1/4/12 12:29 a.m.
Re: Suspension of Disbelief: Why Canon is Importan	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/4/12 12:45 a.m.
Re: Suspension of Disbelief: Why Canon is Importan	davidfuchs	1/4/12 1:03 a.m.
Re: Suspension of Disbelief: Why Canon is Importan	uberfoop	1/4/12 1:23 a.m.
Re: Suspension of Disbelief: Why Canon is Importan	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/4/12 2:16 a.m.
Coincidentally	Beckx	1/4/12 11:20 p.m.
Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .	Beckx	1/3/12 3:20 p.m.
Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .	SonofMacPhisto	1/5/12 6:35 p.m.
I like Reach.	Postmortem	1/3/12 5:24 p.m.
Re: I like Reach.	General Vagueness	1/3/12 6:49 p.m.
Re: I like Reach.	stabbim	1/3/12 8:59 p.m.
Just gonna leave this here:	Dervish	1/4/12 12:32 a.m.
Re: Just gonna leave this here:	JDQuackers	1/5/12 4:39 p.m.
Re: Just gonna leave this here:	Dervish	1/6/12 3:50 a.m.
Re: Just gonna leave this here:	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/6/12 3:59 a.m.
Re: Just gonna leave this here:	JDQuackers	1/6/12 1:38 p.m.
Re: Just gonna leave this here:	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/6/12 3:54 p.m.
Hmmm I guess Glasslands *Spoilers*	JDQuackers	1/6/12 4:04 p.m.
I concur	Revenant1988	1/6/12 4:20 p.m.
Re: Hmmm I guess Glasslands *Spoilers*	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	1/6/12 4:49 p.m.
Re: Hmmm I guess Glasslands *Spoilers*	JDQuackers	1/6/12 6:31 p.m.
Re: Hmmm I guess Glasslands *Spoilers*	Bry	1/6/12 11:49 p.m.
Re: Just gonna leave this here:	Dervish	1/6/12 4:39 p.m.
Regardless of canonity	C.W. Miller	1/4/12 7:04 a.m.
Re: Regardless of canonity	DEEP NNN	1/4/12 12:22 p.m.
Re: Regardless of canonity	C.W. Miller	1/4/12 3:24 p.m.