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Agreed
Posted By: Flynn J TaggartDate: 1/3/12 9:21 a.m.

In Response To: Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . . (kanbo)


: We keep bringing this up but I don't think it's as important as everyone
: makes it out to be. Believe the parts that you want. You'll enjoy it a lot
: more if you stop telling yourself it sucks.

I agree and I think Bungie tended to go along this same route for most of the series (outside of any thought of it sucking, at least I hope so).

Nearly every Halo game since Halo 1 has had some form of canon issues with everything else, and even though I can't recall any off the top of my head between Fall of Reach and Halo 1, I'm sure there was some issues there as well. Bottom line, Bungie just wasn't ever really concerned with getting flawless continuity between their own internal Halo timeline and the expanded universe (EU) material. In Halo 2, the Master Chief isn't the only Spartan II alive anymore: he knows it and the people who followed the books also know it... yet not one peep is uttered about the strangeness of the Chief having to solely go through all of Halo 2 and 3 without ANY Spartan support (not including Sgt. Johnson's help).

That's just one example of the disconnect between the game mythology and the expanded universe material, and while the fact of the Chief solely going it alone in H2 and H3 doesn't necessarily directly contradict the EU books, neither does Reach. They're just a bit more flagrant with some of their facts, and in their own way require nearly the same suspension of disbelief between knowing the EU story and trying to reconcile it with the main campaign.


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As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .Seraph XXVII 1/3/12 4:55 a.m.
     Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .FyreWulff 1/3/12 5:08 a.m.
           ^like face book we need a dislike button. :)Bryan Newman 1/3/12 5:55 a.m.
                 Re: ^like face book we need a dislike button. :)FyreWulff 1/3/12 10:08 a.m.
                       Re: ^like face book we need a dislike button. :)Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/3/12 2:31 p.m.
                             Re: ^like face book we need a dislike button. :)FyreWulff 1/3/12 3:01 p.m.
                                   Re: ^like face book we need a dislike button. :)Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/3/12 4:08 p.m.
                                         I know the answer *img*Revenant1988 1/3/12 4:11 p.m.
                                               Re: I know the answer *img*LostSpartan987 1/3/12 5:45 p.m.
                                               Trololol *NM*stabbim 1/3/12 9:04 p.m.
                                         Re: ^like face book we need a dislike button. :)FyreWulff 1/3/12 5:32 p.m.
                                               Re: ^like face book we need a dislike button. :)Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/3/12 7:14 p.m.
                                   Re: didn't like the post title, oddly enoughGeneral Vagueness 1/3/12 5:10 p.m.
                                         Re: didn't like the post title, oddly enoughFyreWulff 1/3/12 5:25 p.m.
                                               Re: didn't like the post title, oddly enoughGeneral Vagueness 1/3/12 6:53 p.m.
                                                     Re: didn't like the post title, oddly enoughdavidfuchs 1/3/12 7:41 p.m.
                                                           Re: didn't like the post title, oddly enoughStephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/3/12 8:01 p.m.
                                                                 Re: didn't like the post title, oddly enoughQuirel 1/3/12 10:06 p.m.
           Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .Gravemind 1/3/12 7:22 a.m.
                 Re: As much as I enjoy HBO . . .Hedgemony 1/3/12 9:27 a.m.
                       Re: As much as I enjoy HBO . . .DEEP NNN 1/3/12 12:25 p.m.
                             Re: As much as I enjoy HBO . . .FyreWulff 1/3/12 12:31 p.m.
                                   Re: As much as I enjoy HBO . . .DEEP NNN 1/3/12 12:59 p.m.
                 Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .FyreWulff 1/3/12 10:03 a.m.
                       Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .FyreWulff 1/3/12 10:07 a.m.
                             Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .davidfuchs 1/3/12 1:42 p.m.
                                   Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .General Vagueness 1/3/12 4:15 p.m.
                                         Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .pete_the_duck 1/3/12 5:25 p.m.
                                               Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .Gravemind 1/3/12 7:50 p.m.
                                                     Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .pete_the_duck 1/3/12 9:57 p.m.
                                                           Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .FyreWulff 1/4/12 12:58 a.m.
                       Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .Gravemind 1/3/12 7:58 p.m.
           Yes! This is how I've always felt! ^Jillybean 1/3/12 6:52 p.m.
                 Re: Yes! This is how I've always felt! ^General Vagueness 1/3/12 7:17 p.m.
                       Re: Yes! This is how I've always felt! ^uberfoop 1/3/12 7:25 p.m.
                             Re: Yes! This is how I've always felt! ^General Vagueness 1/3/12 7:52 p.m.
                                   Re: Yes! This is how I've always felt! ^Vandle Valsher 1/3/12 7:57 p.m.
                                   Re: Yes! This is how I've always felt! ^uberfoop 1/3/12 8:23 p.m.
                                         Re: Yes! This is how I've always felt! ^Quirel 1/3/12 10:12 p.m.
                                               Re: Yes! This is how I've always felt! ^uberfoop 1/3/12 11:01 p.m.
                                                     Oh, unless...uberfoop 1/3/12 11:09 p.m.
                 Re: Yes! This is how I've always felt! ^Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/3/12 7:26 p.m.
                       My two Centscrzymnky069 1/4/12 5:43 a.m.
                             Re: My two CentsDevil Mingy 1/4/12 6:24 a.m.
                                   Re: My two CentsStephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/4/12 11:44 a.m.
                                         Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.Gravemind 1/4/12 10:11 p.m.
                                               Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/4/12 10:21 p.m.
                                                     Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.Quirel 1/4/12 11:10 p.m.
                                                           Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/5/12 12:03 a.m.
                                                     Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.Gravemind 1/4/12 11:16 p.m.
                                                           Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.Quirel 1/4/12 11:47 p.m.
                                                           Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/5/12 12:11 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.Gravemind 1/5/12 12:24 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/5/12 2:19 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.DHalo 1/5/12 2:36 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/5/12 2:45 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.Quirel 1/5/12 4:18 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/5/12 12:29 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.Gravemind 1/5/12 4:07 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/5/12 12:42 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.DHalo 1/5/12 11:08 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.DEEP NNN 1/5/12 2:41 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/5/12 2:50 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.General Vagueness 1/5/12 5:02 a.m.
                                               Except for Douglas Adams *NM*scarab 1/4/12 11:10 p.m.
                                                     Well, yes, obviously. :) *NM*Gravemind 1/4/12 11:46 p.m.
                                               Re: Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.General Vagueness 1/5/12 4:43 a.m.
                             Re: In this economy?Hedgemony 1/4/12 10:25 a.m.
     Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .kanbo 1/3/12 5:25 a.m.
           AgreedFlynn J Taggart 1/3/12 9:21 a.m.
           Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .DEEP NNN 1/3/12 12:22 p.m.
     Forget canon, what about the story itselfdavidfuchs 1/3/12 1:49 p.m.
           Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfStephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/3/12 2:28 p.m.
                 Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfdavidfuchs 1/3/12 3:13 p.m.
                       Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfFyreWulff 1/3/12 3:22 p.m.
                             Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfBeckx 1/3/12 3:23 p.m.
                                   Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfstabbim 1/3/12 9:53 p.m.
                             Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfRevenant1988 1/3/12 3:25 p.m.
                             Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfLeisandir 1/3/12 3:34 p.m.
                                   Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfFyreWulff 1/3/12 4:04 p.m.
                                         Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfLeisandir 1/3/12 4:25 p.m.
                                               Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfNsU Soldier 1/4/12 12:04 a.m.
                                         Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfGeneral Vagueness 1/3/12 6:20 p.m.
                             Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfGeneral Vagueness 1/3/12 6:11 p.m.
                                   Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfstabbim 1/3/12 10:48 p.m.
                                         Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfdavidfuchs 1/3/12 11:15 p.m.
                                               Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfBeckx 1/3/12 11:28 p.m.
                                                     Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfdavidfuchs 1/4/12 12:03 a.m.
           Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfFyreWulff 1/3/12 3:11 p.m.
                 No, and yes.Revenant1988 1/3/12 3:20 p.m.
                       Re: No, and yes.General Vagueness 1/3/12 6:07 p.m.
                             Re: No, and yes.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/3/12 7:18 p.m.
                                   Re: No, and yes.General Vagueness 1/3/12 7:42 p.m.
                                         Re: No, and yes.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/3/12 8:03 p.m.
                                               What happened to Carter.NsU Soldier 1/4/12 12:46 a.m.
                                                     Re: What happened to Carter.stabbim 1/4/12 7:28 a.m.
                                                           Also...stabbim 1/4/12 7:29 a.m.
                                               Re: No, and yes.General Vagueness 1/4/12 6:01 a.m.
                                         Re: No, and yes.GrimBrother IV 1/3/12 8:28 p.m.
                                               Re: No, and yes.General Vagueness 1/4/12 6:29 a.m.
                                                     Re: No, and yes.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/4/12 11:47 a.m.
                                                           Re: No, and yes.stabbim 1/4/12 4:16 p.m.
                                                                 Re: No, and yes.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/4/12 5:03 p.m.
                                                                       Re: No, and yes.Leisandir 1/4/12 10:16 p.m.
                                                           Re: No, and yes.General Vagueness 1/5/12 4:05 a.m.
                                                                 Re: No, and yes.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/5/12 12:38 p.m.
                 Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfGeneral Vagueness 1/3/12 5:29 p.m.
                 Rightish, and wrong.Quirel 1/3/12 5:50 p.m.
                       Re: Rightish, and wrong.7he grunt w/a plasma pistol 1/3/12 6:04 p.m.
                       Re: Rightish, and wrong.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/3/12 7:16 p.m.
                             Re: Rightish, and wrong.Quirel 1/3/12 10:06 p.m.
                                   Re: Rightish, and wrong.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/3/12 11:28 p.m.
                 What about Harvest?BlueNinja 1/6/12 10:09 a.m.
                       Re: What about Harvest?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/6/12 11:47 a.m.
                             Re: What about Harvest?BlueNinja 1/6/12 12:04 p.m.
                             Re: What about Harvest?The Loot 1/6/12 1:55 p.m.
                                   Re: What about Harvest?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/6/12 3:47 p.m.
                                         Re: What about Harvest?Leviathan 1/6/12 6:54 p.m.
                                               Re: What about Harvest?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/6/12 7:06 p.m.
                                                     Re: What about Harvest?Bry 1/6/12 11:36 p.m.
                             Re: What about Harvest?General Vagueness 1/6/12 6:58 p.m.
                                   Re: What about Harvest?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/6/12 7:07 p.m.
                       Re: What about Harvest?Urban Reflex 1/6/12 2:19 p.m.
                             Re: What about Harvest?7he grunt w/a plasma pistol 1/6/12 2:26 p.m.
                             Re: What about Harvest?SonofMacPhisto 1/6/12 4:25 p.m.
                                   Re: What about Harvest?davidfuchs 1/6/12 5:38 p.m.
                                   Re: What about Harvest?Beckx 1/6/12 5:55 p.m.
           Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfRevenant1988 1/3/12 3:15 p.m.
                 Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfStephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/3/12 4:19 p.m.
                       Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfFlynn J Taggart 1/4/12 12:11 a.m.
                             Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfStephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/4/12 12:41 a.m.
                                   Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfFlynn J Taggart 1/4/12 1:01 a.m.
                                         Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfQuirel 1/4/12 2:35 a.m.
                                               Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfFlynn J Taggart 1/4/12 4:39 a.m.
                 Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfGeneral Vagueness 1/3/12 6:04 p.m.
           Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfGeneral Vagueness 1/3/12 4:27 p.m.
                 Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfdavidfuchs 1/3/12 8:23 p.m.
           Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfGrimBrother IV 1/3/12 8:21 p.m.
                 Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfdavidfuchs 1/3/12 8:25 p.m.
                       Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfGrimBrother IV 1/3/12 8:33 p.m.
                             Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfdavidfuchs 1/3/12 9:27 p.m.
                                   Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfGrimBrother IV 1/3/12 9:41 p.m.
                                   Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfuberfoop 1/3/12 9:43 p.m.
                                         Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfBeckx 1/3/12 9:51 p.m.
                                               Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfdavidfuchs 1/3/12 10:03 p.m.
                                   Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfStephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/3/12 11:24 p.m.
                                         Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfdavidfuchs 1/4/12 12:18 a.m.
                                               Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfStephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/4/12 12:43 a.m.
                                                     Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfGeneral Vagueness 1/5/12 3:32 a.m.
                                                           Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfStephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/5/12 12:33 p.m.
                 Also agreed and a note on Spartan deathsFlynn J Taggart 1/4/12 12:52 a.m.
                 Re: Forget canon, what about the story itselfGeneral Vagueness 1/4/12 6:24 a.m.
           Suspension of Disbelief: Why Canon is Important.Leviathan 1/3/12 9:04 p.m.
                 Hear Heardavidfuchs 1/3/12 9:30 p.m.
                 Re: Suspension of Disbelief: Why Canon is ImportanStephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/3/12 11:20 p.m.
                       Re: Suspension of Disbelief: Why Canon is Importanuberfoop 1/4/12 12:29 a.m.
                             Re: Suspension of Disbelief: Why Canon is ImportanStephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/4/12 12:45 a.m.
                                   Re: Suspension of Disbelief: Why Canon is Importandavidfuchs 1/4/12 1:03 a.m.
                                         Re: Suspension of Disbelief: Why Canon is Importanuberfoop 1/4/12 1:23 a.m.
                                         Re: Suspension of Disbelief: Why Canon is ImportanStephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/4/12 2:16 a.m.
                                   CoincidentallyBeckx 1/4/12 11:20 p.m.
     Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .Beckx 1/3/12 3:20 p.m.
           Re: As much as I enjoyed Reach . . .SonofMacPhisto 1/5/12 6:35 p.m.
     I like Reach.Postmortem 1/3/12 5:24 p.m.
           Re: I like Reach.General Vagueness 1/3/12 6:49 p.m.
           Re: I like Reach.stabbim 1/3/12 8:59 p.m.
     Just gonna leave this here:Dervish 1/4/12 12:32 a.m.
           Re: Just gonna leave this here:JDQuackers 1/5/12 4:39 p.m.
                 Re: Just gonna leave this here:Dervish 1/6/12 3:50 a.m.
                       Re: Just gonna leave this here:Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/6/12 3:59 a.m.
                             Re: Just gonna leave this here:JDQuackers 1/6/12 1:38 p.m.
                                   Re: Just gonna leave this here:Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/6/12 3:54 p.m.
                                         Hmmm I guess Glasslands *Spoilers*JDQuackers 1/6/12 4:04 p.m.
                                               I concurRevenant1988 1/6/12 4:20 p.m.
                                               Re: Hmmm I guess Glasslands *Spoilers*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 1/6/12 4:49 p.m.
                                                     Re: Hmmm I guess Glasslands *Spoilers*JDQuackers 1/6/12 6:31 p.m.
                                                     Re: Hmmm I guess Glasslands *Spoilers*Bry 1/6/12 11:49 p.m.
                             Re: Just gonna leave this here:Dervish 1/6/12 4:39 p.m.
     Regardless of canonityC.W. Miller 1/4/12 7:04 a.m.
           Re: Regardless of canonityDEEP NNN 1/4/12 12:22 p.m.
                 Re: Regardless of canonityC.W. Miller 1/4/12 3:24 p.m.



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