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Re: Combat sandbox and mission design
Posted By: dmiller <dmiller@bungie.com>	Date: 8/8/11 1:26 a.m.
In Response To: Combat sandbox and mission design (GhaleonEB) : One of my favorite encounters in Halo 3 is the first hallway battle, right : before the barracks, on Crow's Nest. I've never had it play out the same : way twice, and myriad tactics work for luring, evading and ambushing the : Brutes and their Chieftain. : Thing is, that same encounter wouldn't work in Reach, because the range and : precision of the DMR would let players stand at one end of the hallway and : shoot every Brute dead without leaving cover. But with the more limited : range of the BR and its burst spread fire, it forces us to break cover and : engage. : My question is, how locked down was the combat sandbox - such as BR range and : precision - when you design the missions? This encounter feels tuned very : much to keep the Brutes at the far end just out of our range; was it : designed with the range of the BR in mind? In general, how do you approach : integrating the weapon set into the missions? : Cheers. Hope to see you at PAX again this year, Dan. : ~Ben I will be at PAX this year. I think this is 7/7 for me. :) Combat ranges?- I tend to be more of a 'feel' designer. I really don't pay attention to hardcore numbers in the sandbox, because that stuff is always changing. If I don't like what a weapon is doing to an encounter, I will limit it or remove it from the level. An example where the Sandbox/AI have failed me was the encounter before the Oni Swordbase Gate in Reach (the Package). The shade turret values changed for legendary right before ship so that encounter is really horrible now. It played much better earlier. I find that too much precision in mission design will just bite you later on. Slop is good because you are flexible and gives players wiggle-room.

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AI Script	scarab	8/5/11 4:50 a.m.
Re: AI Script	scarab	8/5/11 5:00 a.m.
Fixed: AI Script	scarab	8/5/11 5:26 a.m.
Re: Fixed: AI Script	Moorpheusl9	8/5/11 6:07 a.m.
Re: Fixed: AI Script	scarab	8/5/11 7:20 a.m.
Should've used Python *NM*	JDQuackers	8/5/11 7:30 a.m.
Re: AI Script	General Vagueness	8/5/11 12:30 p.m.
HaloScript	kornman00	8/5/11 3:17 p.m.
Re: HaloScript	scarab	8/7/11 9:06 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 1:17 a.m.
Re: AI Script	scarab	8/7/11 8:54 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 9:29 a.m.
Re: AI Script	Moorpheusl9	8/7/11 9:33 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 9:35 a.m.
Re: AI Script	scarab	8/7/11 10:12 a.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/7/11 2:40 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 5:02 p.m.
Re: AI Script	Louis Wu	8/7/11 5:15 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 5:23 p.m.
Re: AI Script	scarab	8/8/11 3:34 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/8/11 9:51 p.m.
Re: AI Script	JonnyOThan	8/11/11 12:42 p.m.
Re: AI Script	scarab	8/11/11 4:32 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/13/11 2:21 p.m.
Re: AI Script	scarab	8/13/11 5:27 p.m.
Re: AI Script	RC Master	8/7/11 7:41 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/7/11 8:30 p.m.
Re: AI Script	General Vagueness	8/7/11 8:36 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/7/11 8:42 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 8:57 p.m.
Re: AI Script	Hyokin	8/7/11 9:21 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 11:03 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/7/11 11:19 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 11:23 p.m.
Re: AI Script	Hyokin	8/7/11 11:20 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/7/11 11:22 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 11:26 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/7/11 11:27 p.m.
Welcome to the forums, Dan!	Hyokin	8/7/11 11:34 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 11:44 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/7/11 11:45 p.m.
Re: AI Script	RC Master	8/8/11 7:10 a.m.
Re: AI Script	Avateur	8/7/11 11:50 p.m.
Re: AI Script	Hyokin	8/7/11 11:57 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/8/11 1:17 a.m.
Re: AI Script	SonofMacPhisto	8/8/11 6:11 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/8/11 9:54 p.m.
Seriously dude, you're awesome *NM*	ZackDark	8/8/11 10:46 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/7/11 11:50 p.m.
Re: AI Script	Leviathan	8/8/11 12:11 a.m.
I also share this question *NM*	ZackDark	8/8/11 12:13 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/8/11 1:21 a.m.
Re: AI Script	General Vagueness	8/8/11 1:34 p.m.
Re: AI Script	FyreWulff	8/8/11 12:41 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/8/11 10:54 a.m.
Re: AI Script	bluerunner	8/8/11 11:04 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/8/11 8:54 p.m.
Re: AI Script	FyreWulff	8/9/11 4:56 p.m.
Re: AI Script	Hyokin	8/8/11 11:09 a.m.
Re: AI Script	RC Master	8/8/11 1:40 p.m.
Re: Thanks.	Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316)	8/8/11 2:44 p.m.
Re: Thanks.	General Vagueness	8/8/11 5:25 p.m.
x3 thanks for awesome	SonofMacPhisto	8/8/11 6:06 p.m.
Combat sandbox and mission design	GhaleonEB	8/8/11 1:10 a.m.
Re: Combat sandbox and mission design	dmiller	8/8/11 1:26 a.m.
Re: Combat sandbox and mission design	dmiller	8/8/11 1:29 a.m.
Re: AI Script	Lord Friendship	8/8/11 12:33 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/8/11 8:55 p.m.
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Re: AI Script	scarab	8/8/11 3:49 p.m.
Re: AI Script	Lurono	8/8/11 6:52 p.m.
Re: AI Script	SonofMacPhisto	8/8/11 7:00 p.m.
Yes to both *NM*	Lurono	8/8/11 7:15 p.m.
Ok, I'm not nuts. Well, I am... but... n/m :) *NM*	SonofMacPhisto	8/8/11 7:22 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/8/11 9:42 p.m.
Re: AI Script	RC Master	8/9/11 9:34 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/9/11 9:47 p.m.
Re: AI Script	JonnyOThan	8/10/11 3:27 p.m.
Re: AI Script	RC Master	8/10/11 7:21 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/10/11 10:37 p.m.
Re: AI Script	Hyokin	8/10/11 11:36 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/10/11 11:59 p.m.
Re: AI Script	RC Master	8/11/11 8:30 p.m.
343i, hire him too! *NM*	Hyokin	8/11/11 10:02 p.m.
Re: 343i, hire him too!	RC Master	8/13/11 10:34 a.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/11/11 11:02 p.m.
Re: AI Script	RC Master	8/12/11 7:28 a.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/12/11 6:26 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/13/11 2:39 p.m.
Re: AI Script	FyreWulff	8/9/11 5:23 p.m.
Re: AI Script	Lurono	8/9/11 8:07 p.m.
The worst kind *NM*	scarab	8/10/11 1:03 a.m.
And a serious answer...	Lurono	8/9/11 8:13 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/9/11 9:39 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/9/11 10:37 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/9/11 10:41 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/9/11 10:45 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/9/11 10:47 p.m.
Re: AI Script	ZackDark	8/9/11 10:52 p.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/9/11 11:13 p.m.
Re: AI Script	scarab	8/10/11 1:28 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/10/11 9:18 a.m.
Re: AI Script	scarab	8/11/11 4:49 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/11/11 9:49 a.m.
Re: AI Script	Dagoonite	8/11/11 10:31 a.m.
Re: AI Script	RC Master	8/11/11 11:41 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/12/11 1:20 a.m.
Re: AI Script	RC Master	8/12/11 7:05 p.m.
Re: AI Script (ooh! Question!)	RC Master	8/13/11 5:52 a.m.
Re: AI Script (ooh! Question!)	dmiller	8/13/11 2:28 p.m.
Re: AI Script (ooh! Question!)	dmiller	8/13/11 2:34 p.m.
Re: AI Script (ooh! Question!)	RC Master	8/13/11 8:37 p.m.
Re: AI Script	General Vagueness	8/9/11 11:38 p.m.
Re: AI Script	mrbig	8/10/11 12:50 a.m.
Re: AI Script	dmiller	8/10/11 9:11 a.m.
Aww crap	RC Master	8/8/11 7:22 a.m.