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Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!
Posted By: General Vagueness <General.Vagueness@gmail.com>Date: 7/20/11 11:24 p.m.

In Response To: Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed! (JDQuackers)


: Your concerns were literally, "I don't like the new sounds" and
: "they sound... well OK not terrible, but definitely sub-par".
: Your only other suggestion was to leave the original sounds in place. How
: has anything that you complained about so far fallen under the umbrella of
: "fixable things". According to your gripes with the minute
: glimpse of the game that we've seen so far, your "fix" is: bring
: the old sounds back.

At least it's a simple fix.

: "Tweaked" means "not the original". If it's not the
: original, it's totally different in my mind. I don't know what you mean by
: less options.

Seeing it as so binary-- one or the other, nothing in between-- seems overly simplistic to me. (It's that or we're using different definitions of the word "totally".) The "less options" was followed shortly by graphics-- I was getting at the graphical switch. It's nice but I could live without it, especially if the sound design was better.

: If I could decipher your horrendous grammar here I would have a response for
: you. But it seems like you're calling 343i out and saying they're not a
: game studio. Again, you're judging them before even having any evidence
: whatsoever to the contrary.

I could be upset but this has happened to me more than once before so I'll spell it out: I was thinking of this post. I misremembered somewhat in thinking he said Marty couldn't be improved upon. He actually said "There was no point trying to emulate Marty. He's unemulatable." I think it's understandable that I interpreted it as "Marty's music can't be topped", which seems to me almost like hero worship-- as much as I like Marty's music, that doesn't mean we should put it on a pedestal and never move forward (and I still think that might be what he meant). I didn't understand why 343i (headed by Frankie) would replace something if they thought it was so awesome and knew a lot of us did too.

: Because recreating new sounds that could seamlessly transition to the
: original sounds would require a tremendous amount of effort.

I'm not asking for any sound transitions or any new sounds at all. I'd be glad just to have the old sounds, one set of graphics (maybe even the old graphics), and some of the new stuff like on-line co-op and terminals.

: Much more effort than they had originally planned to put into this project I
: can imagine.

It's a big project, I realize that.

: This is to whet the fans' appetites until they can deliver a new
: game proper and not meant to be the end-all be-all.

I have a feeling I disagree with that but I'm not 100%, some clarification would be nice.

: They're doing it for the fans,

So they should listen to us, right? I'm not saying they don't, I'm saying they should.

: and if you don't appreciate what they're doing and want the original
: then go buy the emulated version for $12 and stew in your own juices.

I appreciate the thought and effort behind what they're doing, and a lot of the execution. If I can go back to an earlier point, some of the other new things I like are how it has native (and thus faster) code and HD support, two basic yet significant changes from the emulated version. That makes sense because this isn't meant

: You do realize that this was one sentence, right?

I do now. That's kind of how I talk-- when I pause, it's usually not so much a period as an "um".

: It's hard to discuss something with you when you type out a stream of
: consciousness that is partially contradictory with previous statements and
: entirely nonsensical due to lack of grammar or proper punctuation.

I don't see any problems with my grammar, and the improvised dashes (--) should show separations enough, but OK, I'll re-write it.
I was under the impression the Xbox could, and generally did, reproduce sound with CD quality (and that anything above that level is indistinguishable by the human ear from CD quality). I also never felt that any of the sounds seemed low in quality or fidelity in any way. Maybe it's because I'm not an audiophile or because I grew up with 8-bit games, but it seems like a far cry from the bleeps of bloops we used to be stuck with. So it should be easy to see why I don't see hear a problem with them.
Just to reiterate, I'm not saying 343i isn't a real game studio, I'm saying in one small case it seemed like Frankie was indulging in a less mature view than I'd expect, which I now see I misremembered and may have misinterpreted. I'm not saying I don't appreciate what they're trying to do. I'm not saying I want a new game with all the sounds of an old one (although I wouldn't mind).
Most of all I'm not saying I'm not going to buy the game because of this. What's I'm saying is this is well below my expectations and I don't understand why they're trying to basically fix something that wasn't broken, especially when they didn't try to fix the gameplay.

You cannot fall off the floor.



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H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!TCKaos 7/18/11 8:11 a.m.
     OMG, thank you, that's brings back memories! *NM*Elzarthebam 7/18/11 8:21 a.m.
     Um wow. *NM*The Alpha ELite 7/18/11 8:23 a.m.
     Also you get MC avatar armor for preordering!Elzarthebam 7/18/11 8:28 a.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!The Alpha ELite 7/18/11 8:29 a.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Myyke 7/18/11 8:36 a.m.
           Re:New dialog?hotshot revan 7/18/11 9:53 a.m.
                 not exactlyRevenant1988 7/18/11 10:11 a.m.
                       Oh man, but what if they DO redo dialogue?topleybird 7/18/11 3:58 p.m.
     Just FYI..The Alpha ELite 7/18/11 8:53 a.m.
           Re: So this confirms...hotshot revan 7/18/11 8:55 a.m.
                 How 'exclusive' are we talking here?JDQuackers 7/18/11 8:59 a.m.
                       ^ThisElzarTheBam 7/18/11 9:03 a.m.
                       Re: How 'exclusive' are we talking here?Dani 7/18/11 9:04 a.m.
                             Re: How 'exclusive' are we talking here?DMFanella 7/18/11 9:09 a.m.
                                   Re: How 'exclusive' are we talking here?FyreWulff 7/18/11 9:16 a.m.
                                         Re: How 'exclusive' are we talking here?Myyke 7/18/11 9:28 a.m.
                                               Re: How 'exclusive' are we talking here?Bry 7/18/11 9:33 a.m.
                                                     Re: How 'exclusive' are we talking here?Myyke 7/18/11 9:39 a.m.
                                         Re: How 'exclusive' are we talking here?DMFanella 7/18/11 10:58 a.m.
                             Re: How 'exclusive' are we talking here?JDQuackers 7/18/11 9:42 a.m.
                                   Re: How 'exclusive' are we talking here?DMFanella 7/18/11 10:55 a.m.
                                         Re: How 'exclusive' are we talking here?Lurono 7/18/11 5:24 p.m.
                                               Re: How 'exclusive' are we talking here?DMFanella 7/19/11 7:07 a.m.
                                                     Re: How 'exclusive' are we talking here?Lurono 7/21/11 12:00 a.m.
                                                           Re: How 'exclusive' are we talking here?JDQuackers 7/21/11 11:53 a.m.
                 I want cowbell!bluerunner 7/18/11 9:47 a.m.
                       Re: I want cowbell!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 7/18/11 10:49 a.m.
                             Re: I want cowbell!Gravemind 7/18/11 12:18 p.m.
                                   Re: I want cowbell!SonofMacPhisto 7/18/11 1:06 p.m.
                                         Re: I want cowbell!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 7/18/11 2:21 p.m.
                             Re: I want cowbell!Shishka 7/18/11 3:47 p.m.
                                   Re: I want cowbell!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 7/18/11 4:46 p.m.
                                         Re: I want cowbell!Mid7night 7/18/11 4:58 p.m.
                                               Re: I want cowbell!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 7/18/11 7:58 p.m.
                                                     Re: I want cowbell!Mid7night 7/18/11 8:24 p.m.
                                                           Re: I want cowbell!Bry 7/18/11 10:08 p.m.
                                                                 Re: I want cowbell!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 7/19/11 5:26 a.m.
                                                                       Re: I want cowbell!The Alpha ELite 7/19/11 6:20 a.m.
                                                                             Re: I want cowbell!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 7/19/11 6:44 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: I want cowbell!The Alpha ELite 7/19/11 6:47 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: I want cowbell!Bry 7/19/11 8:08 a.m.
                                         Re: I want cowbell!Gravemind 7/18/11 5:04 p.m.
                                         Re: I want cowbell!Bry 7/18/11 5:38 p.m.
                       WOWprofhalo 7/18/11 1:23 p.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!FyreWulff 7/18/11 9:09 a.m.
           Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Bry 7/18/11 9:38 a.m.
                 Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Avateur 7/18/11 9:44 a.m.
                       Re: I'm biting my tongue as well.... *NM*Hedgemony 7/18/11 9:54 a.m.
                       Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Bry 7/18/11 9:59 a.m.
                             Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Leviathan 7/18/11 10:26 a.m.
                                   Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Bry 7/18/11 10:35 a.m.
                       Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Moorpheusl9 7/18/11 10:00 a.m.
                             Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Avateur 7/18/11 10:17 a.m.
                                   The only thing we DO know atm...Moorpheusl9 7/18/11 10:25 a.m.
                                         Re: The only thing we DO know atm...Avateur 7/18/11 11:53 a.m.
                       Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!FyreWulff 7/18/11 11:33 a.m.
                             No kiddingAvateur 7/18/11 11:48 a.m.
                                   Re: No kiddingHarmanimus 7/18/11 12:29 p.m.
                                         Re: No kiddingRC Master 7/18/11 7:39 p.m.
                                               Re: No kiddingHarmanimus 7/19/11 1:32 a.m.
                                                     Re: No kiddingAvateur 7/19/11 2:27 a.m.
                                                           Re: No kiddingThe Loot 7/19/11 3:43 a.m.
                                                     Re: No kiddingRC Master 7/19/11 6:16 a.m.
                                                           Re: No kiddingHarmanimus 7/19/11 6:58 a.m.
                                                                 Re: No kiddingAvateur 7/19/11 9:59 a.m.
                                                           Re: No kiddingGravemind 7/19/11 1:45 p.m.
           ^thisRC Master 7/18/11 7:41 p.m.
     I Foresee A Lot Of Mike Miller-esque Outtakes... *NM*Morpheus 7/18/11 9:28 a.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Moorpheusl9 7/18/11 9:31 a.m.
     halo.xbox.com Official ReleaseJDQuackers 7/18/11 9:32 a.m.
     I have a questionAvateur 7/18/11 9:40 a.m.
           Re: I like that attitude. *NM*The Alpha ELite 7/18/11 9:45 a.m.
                 I try my best sometimes *NM*Avateur 7/18/11 9:47 a.m.
                       Re: I try my best sometimesMacGyver10 7/18/11 10:37 a.m.
           Re: I'm with Avateur *NM*Beckx 7/18/11 11:00 a.m.
           Re: I have a questionserpx 7/18/11 11:28 a.m.
                 Re: I have a questionexcowboy83 7/19/11 5:14 a.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!uberfoop 7/18/11 9:40 a.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Kalamari 7/18/11 9:59 a.m.
           Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!bluerunner 7/18/11 10:15 a.m.
           Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Lurono 7/18/11 6:02 p.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!DEEP NNN 7/18/11 10:21 a.m.
           Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 7/18/11 10:39 a.m.
                 Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!DEEP NNN 7/18/11 3:06 p.m.
                       Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 7/18/11 3:35 p.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!o0MrCheesy0o 7/18/11 10:29 a.m.
     How does this work with Co-Op??Mariachi 7/18/11 10:56 a.m.
           ^Good question. *NM*ElzarTheBam 7/18/11 10:59 a.m.
                 Re: ^Good question.Moorpheusl9 7/18/11 11:04 a.m.
                       ^Like the recon helmetElzarTheBam 7/18/11 11:09 a.m.
                             Re: ^Like the recon helmetMoorpheusl9 7/18/11 11:28 a.m.
                                   Re: ^Like the recon helmetMazz 7/18/11 11:52 a.m.
                                         Re: ^Like the recon helmetMoorpheusl9 7/18/11 12:02 p.m.
                                               Re: ^Like the recon helmetMazz 7/18/11 12:13 p.m.
                                                     Re: ^Like the recon helmetBry 7/18/11 12:31 p.m.
                                                           Re: ^Like the recon helmetMazz 7/18/11 12:49 p.m.
                                               Re: ^Like the recon helmetStephen L. (SoundEffect) 7/18/11 12:47 p.m.
                                                     {; _ ;} *NM*Mazz 7/18/11 12:56 p.m.
                                         Re: ^Like the recon helmetBry 7/18/11 12:28 p.m.
                                               Re: ^Like the recon helmetSonofMacPhisto 7/18/11 1:12 p.m.
                                                     Nope~Bry 7/18/11 2:17 p.m.
                                                           Re: Nope~SonofMacPhisto 7/18/11 2:41 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Nope~Bry 7/18/11 2:58 p.m.
                                                                 Well that's what I call timing...Bry 7/19/11 8:21 a.m.
                                                                       Re: LAMERevenant1988 7/21/11 8:31 a.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!SonofMacPhisto 7/18/11 11:39 a.m.
     How I think this'll work.Gravemind 7/18/11 12:14 p.m.
           Re: How I think this'll work.Lurono 7/18/11 6:37 p.m.
     So when the video first started...SonofMacPhisto 7/18/11 1:09 p.m.
           Re: So when the video first started...Moorpheusl9 7/18/11 1:25 p.m.
                 Re: So when the video first started...SonofMacPhisto 7/18/11 1:28 p.m.
                       Re: So when the video first started...uberfoop 7/18/11 6:01 p.m.
                             Re: So when the video first started...SonofMacPhisto 7/18/11 8:30 p.m.
     I don't like the new sounds. *NM*General Vagueness 7/18/11 5:46 p.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!General Vagueness 7/19/11 2:19 p.m.
           Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!JDQuackers 7/20/11 4:28 p.m.
                 Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Joshua Allen 7/20/11 4:54 p.m.
                 Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!uberfoop 7/20/11 4:54 p.m.
                       Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!JDQuackers 7/20/11 9:05 p.m.
                             Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!uberfoop 7/21/11 12:29 a.m.
                 Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!General Vagueness 7/20/11 7:30 p.m.
                       Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!JDQuackers 7/20/11 9:28 p.m.
                             Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!General Vagueness 7/20/11 11:24 p.m.
                                   Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Lurono 7/21/11 12:15 a.m.
                                         Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!uberfoop 7/21/11 12:41 a.m.
                                               Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Lurono 7/21/11 1:18 a.m.
                                                     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!uberfoop 7/21/11 11:41 a.m.



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