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Re: No kidding
Posted By: Gravemind <kuukan_no_kage@yahoo.com>Date: 7/19/11 1:45 p.m.

In Response To: Re: No kidding (RC Master)


To expand a bit on your post, DLC maps have a much higher markup than maps that shipped with the game. If we assume that map is really worth what we pay for them as DLC — the going rate of a DLC map pack in Halo 3 and Reach has been 800 points, the equivalent of $10, for three maps, or $3.33 per map — then that means that since Halo 3 shipped 11 maps, then $36.67 of the $60 cost of the game is comprised solely by the MP maps. That's a bit more than 60% of the cost of the game. Reach would be even worse, considering that it shipped with 17 maps (9 MP [if we count Forge World as one map] and 8 FF), which means that, assuming each map is worth the $3.33 a pop we're charge for the DLC maps, all the MP and FF maps that shipped with Reach is worth $56.61. That's nearly 95% the cost of game. Unless one can argue that all the other content on the disc — Campaign, Forge, films, screenshots, the Armory — is really worth less than $4, then the real value of a map is far less than $3 and thus DLC maps have a very high markup. (Note: Halo 2 didn't fare much better than Halo 3. Even though the DLC maps only averaged $2.33 per map, the game was only $50, so that means if a H2 map was really worth $2.33, then $28, or 56%, of the cost of the game, was the MP maps.)

Relative to the other content (Campaign especialy, and also saved films, armory items, etc.), the MP maps don't really comprise a majority percentage of the content and therefore also of the cost. It could be argued that MP (and FF) maps are only worth, say, a third or a quarter of the cost, meaning that a MP map is maybe only really worth at most $2/160 points (and could be worth as little as about $1.20), which means that a $10/800-point map pack should have five maps rather than three. Even if we were to go with MP being as high as one half the cost of the game as The Loot did, using H3's initial map count of 11 means a Halo map is at most worth only about $2.75/220 points., while using Reach's map count results in each map being only worth about $1.75/140 points.

Going to HCEA, the real worth of the seven maps is less than half the cost of the $40 package, though going by standard DLC prices, then 58% of HCEA's cost is in the maps (all of which are remakes of old maps as you pointed out), while the remaining 42% of the cost is tied up into the Campaign and all the new features added to it (terminals, skulls, new graphics, online co-op). Now, if we assume that the DLC maps are only worth, say $12 (30%) the cost of the game, the question remains "Is Halo 1's Campaign, with new features, worth $28?" For me, that's a resounding "Hell yes!" This is, after all, an HD re-release on a physical copy, whereas the other re-release on the 360 is a standard-def, download-only version, so that makes it worth new game price to me (Campaign is half the game and is the only part of H1 we're getting, and half a new game is $30). So, the $40 price tag is for me fair.

The Dark Sangheili



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H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!TCKaos 7/18/11 8:11 a.m.
     OMG, thank you, that's brings back memories! *NM*Elzarthebam 7/18/11 8:21 a.m.
     Um wow. *NM*The Alpha ELite 7/18/11 8:23 a.m.
     Also you get MC avatar armor for preordering!Elzarthebam 7/18/11 8:28 a.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!The Alpha ELite 7/18/11 8:29 a.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Myyke 7/18/11 8:36 a.m.
           Re:New dialog?hotshot revan 7/18/11 9:53 a.m.
                 not exactlyRevenant1988 7/18/11 10:11 a.m.
                       Oh man, but what if they DO redo dialogue?topleybird 7/18/11 3:58 p.m.
     Just FYI..The Alpha ELite 7/18/11 8:53 a.m.
           Re: So this confirms...hotshot revan 7/18/11 8:55 a.m.
                 How 'exclusive' are we talking here?JDQuackers 7/18/11 8:59 a.m.
                       ^ThisElzarTheBam 7/18/11 9:03 a.m.
                       Re: How 'exclusive' are we talking here?Dani 7/18/11 9:04 a.m.
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                                         Re: How 'exclusive' are we talking here?Myyke 7/18/11 9:28 a.m.
                                               Re: How 'exclusive' are we talking here?Bry 7/18/11 9:33 a.m.
                                                     Re: How 'exclusive' are we talking here?Myyke 7/18/11 9:39 a.m.
                                         Re: How 'exclusive' are we talking here?DMFanella 7/18/11 10:58 a.m.
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                                               Re: How 'exclusive' are we talking here?DMFanella 7/19/11 7:07 a.m.
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                                                                       Re: I want cowbell!The Alpha ELite 7/19/11 6:20 a.m.
                                                                             Re: I want cowbell!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 7/19/11 6:44 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: I want cowbell!The Alpha ELite 7/19/11 6:47 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: I want cowbell!Bry 7/19/11 8:08 a.m.
                                         Re: I want cowbell!Gravemind 7/18/11 5:04 p.m.
                                         Re: I want cowbell!Bry 7/18/11 5:38 p.m.
                       WOWprofhalo 7/18/11 1:23 p.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!FyreWulff 7/18/11 9:09 a.m.
           Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Bry 7/18/11 9:38 a.m.
                 Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Avateur 7/18/11 9:44 a.m.
                       Re: I'm biting my tongue as well.... *NM*Hedgemony 7/18/11 9:54 a.m.
                       Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Bry 7/18/11 9:59 a.m.
                             Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Leviathan 7/18/11 10:26 a.m.
                                   Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Bry 7/18/11 10:35 a.m.
                       Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Moorpheusl9 7/18/11 10:00 a.m.
                             Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Avateur 7/18/11 10:17 a.m.
                                   The only thing we DO know atm...Moorpheusl9 7/18/11 10:25 a.m.
                                         Re: The only thing we DO know atm...Avateur 7/18/11 11:53 a.m.
                       Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!FyreWulff 7/18/11 11:33 a.m.
                             No kiddingAvateur 7/18/11 11:48 a.m.
                                   Re: No kiddingHarmanimus 7/18/11 12:29 p.m.
                                         Re: No kiddingRC Master 7/18/11 7:39 p.m.
                                               Re: No kiddingHarmanimus 7/19/11 1:32 a.m.
                                                     Re: No kiddingAvateur 7/19/11 2:27 a.m.
                                                           Re: No kiddingThe Loot 7/19/11 3:43 a.m.
                                                     Re: No kiddingRC Master 7/19/11 6:16 a.m.
                                                           Re: No kiddingHarmanimus 7/19/11 6:58 a.m.
                                                                 Re: No kiddingAvateur 7/19/11 9:59 a.m.
                                                           Re: No kiddingGravemind 7/19/11 1:45 p.m.
           ^thisRC Master 7/18/11 7:41 p.m.
     I Foresee A Lot Of Mike Miller-esque Outtakes... *NM*Morpheus 7/18/11 9:28 a.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Moorpheusl9 7/18/11 9:31 a.m.
     halo.xbox.com Official ReleaseJDQuackers 7/18/11 9:32 a.m.
     I have a questionAvateur 7/18/11 9:40 a.m.
           Re: I like that attitude. *NM*The Alpha ELite 7/18/11 9:45 a.m.
                 I try my best sometimes *NM*Avateur 7/18/11 9:47 a.m.
                       Re: I try my best sometimesMacGyver10 7/18/11 10:37 a.m.
           Re: I'm with Avateur *NM*Beckx 7/18/11 11:00 a.m.
           Re: I have a questionserpx 7/18/11 11:28 a.m.
                 Re: I have a questionexcowboy83 7/19/11 5:14 a.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!uberfoop 7/18/11 9:40 a.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Kalamari 7/18/11 9:59 a.m.
           Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!bluerunner 7/18/11 10:15 a.m.
           Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Lurono 7/18/11 6:02 p.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!DEEP NNN 7/18/11 10:21 a.m.
           Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 7/18/11 10:39 a.m.
                 Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!DEEP NNN 7/18/11 3:06 p.m.
                       Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 7/18/11 3:35 p.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!o0MrCheesy0o 7/18/11 10:29 a.m.
     How does this work with Co-Op??Mariachi 7/18/11 10:56 a.m.
           ^Good question. *NM*ElzarTheBam 7/18/11 10:59 a.m.
                 Re: ^Good question.Moorpheusl9 7/18/11 11:04 a.m.
                       ^Like the recon helmetElzarTheBam 7/18/11 11:09 a.m.
                             Re: ^Like the recon helmetMoorpheusl9 7/18/11 11:28 a.m.
                                   Re: ^Like the recon helmetMazz 7/18/11 11:52 a.m.
                                         Re: ^Like the recon helmetMoorpheusl9 7/18/11 12:02 p.m.
                                               Re: ^Like the recon helmetMazz 7/18/11 12:13 p.m.
                                                     Re: ^Like the recon helmetBry 7/18/11 12:31 p.m.
                                                           Re: ^Like the recon helmetMazz 7/18/11 12:49 p.m.
                                               Re: ^Like the recon helmetStephen L. (SoundEffect) 7/18/11 12:47 p.m.
                                                     {; _ ;} *NM*Mazz 7/18/11 12:56 p.m.
                                         Re: ^Like the recon helmetBry 7/18/11 12:28 p.m.
                                               Re: ^Like the recon helmetSonofMacPhisto 7/18/11 1:12 p.m.
                                                     Nope~Bry 7/18/11 2:17 p.m.
                                                           Re: Nope~SonofMacPhisto 7/18/11 2:41 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Nope~Bry 7/18/11 2:58 p.m.
                                                                 Well that's what I call timing...Bry 7/19/11 8:21 a.m.
                                                                       Re: LAMERevenant1988 7/21/11 8:31 a.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!SonofMacPhisto 7/18/11 11:39 a.m.
     How I think this'll work.Gravemind 7/18/11 12:14 p.m.
           Re: How I think this'll work.Lurono 7/18/11 6:37 p.m.
     So when the video first started...SonofMacPhisto 7/18/11 1:09 p.m.
           Re: So when the video first started...Moorpheusl9 7/18/11 1:25 p.m.
                 Re: So when the video first started...SonofMacPhisto 7/18/11 1:28 p.m.
                       Re: So when the video first started...uberfoop 7/18/11 6:01 p.m.
                             Re: So when the video first started...SonofMacPhisto 7/18/11 8:30 p.m.
     I don't like the new sounds. *NM*General Vagueness 7/18/11 5:46 p.m.
     Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!General Vagueness 7/19/11 2:19 p.m.
           Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!JDQuackers 7/20/11 4:28 p.m.
                 Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Joshua Allen 7/20/11 4:54 p.m.
                 Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!uberfoop 7/20/11 4:54 p.m.
                       Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!JDQuackers 7/20/11 9:05 p.m.
                             Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!uberfoop 7/21/11 12:29 a.m.
                 Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!General Vagueness 7/20/11 7:30 p.m.
                       Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!JDQuackers 7/20/11 9:28 p.m.
                             Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!General Vagueness 7/20/11 11:24 p.m.
                                   Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Lurono 7/21/11 12:15 a.m.
                                         Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!uberfoop 7/21/11 12:41 a.m.
                                               Re: H:CEA Preorder bonus revealed!Lurono 7/21/11 1:18 a.m.
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