Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore |
Posted By: Stephen L. (SoundEffect) <soundeffect@hotmail.com> | Date: 5/19/11 8:17 a.m. |
In Response To: Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore (Narcogen)
: [snip]
: Sort of. I consider "Halo" to mean primarily, but not exclusively,
: the games developed by Bungie; so that's Halo 1-3, ODST, and Reach. So for
: me, everything in those is canon, except where it conflicts where
: something else at the same level.
: Then there's a bunch of other stuff: games by other studios (Halo Wars)
: licensed novelizations, graphic novels, anime episodes. I have varying
: levels of interest in these (I have the original novelizations, but not
: the graphic novel; I have the anime and Halo Wars but I basically ignore
: Halo Wars).
: These I all consider secondary, with the possible exception of Contact
: Harvest given that it's not just licensed by Bungie or MS, but written by
: Staten who has a primary role in developing story on the games.
: Where secondary material-- regardless of detail, voluminousness, or
: repetition-- runs afoul of primary material, for me, it loses out. So what
: I see there is that the Halo 1 dropship has a nondescript black space
: where a corridor *could* be, and the Reach dropship does not.
: An authorized, but secondary source, basically offers up the explanation that
: this is a corridor. That's consistent with Halo 1, but not with Reach. So
: I've got a tri-level conflict: Reach and Halo 1 don't agree, and they're
: both primary, and the novel and Halo 1 agree, but not the novel and Halo
: 1.
: (Is the corridor mentioned in TFOR, in the Dietz novel, or in Contact
: Harvest?)
: It's a question of handling precedence in tiebreakers. I suppose what I'm
: mentally doing is removing the low-hanging fruit, first. So the novel's
: mention of a corridor there drops out first because it conflicts with
: Reach, which is in the series' primary form (a game) and made by its
: primary source (Bungie). For me, having one primary source confirm the
: secondary source doesn't validate it, one disagreement invalidates it. So
: the novel gets thrown out at that point (at least, the portion of it that
: addresses the question of whether or not there's a corridor there.
: My reasoning is this: There's nothing in the game that explicitly shows a
: corridor there. Whether that's because Bungie decided there wasn't one, or
: because they didn't think about it, or because they couldn't show that
: because of a technical limitation, doesn't really matter for me. It
: apparently wasn't important enough for Bungie to show explicitly that
: there was a corridor there; it's just a blank texture. It wasn't a crucial
: enough part of the universe to expend the effort.
: The novel comes along and fills in a bunch of details, and somebody somewhere
: gets to vet this stuff. I honestly don't know how much detail is gone into
: at this stage, and whether or not it considers the integrity of in-game
: models as described in the novels. It's possible that nobody ever
: bothered. It's possible that somebody read that passage, maybe looked at a
: 3D model or some in-game footage, and decided a corridor there was OK.
: Then Reach comes along. It's a primary source, made by Bungie, and in the
: form of a game. In the continuity, it precedes Halo 1, and in Bungie's
: discography, it is the most recent work.
: When I combine all those factors, it seems to me to be the least disruptive
: thing to ignore the reference from the model, assume that the black space
: in the H1 model is not a corridor. I suppose I could go further, and
: imagine that the Spirit revisions we see on Reach are not the same that we
: see a few days or weeks later at Installation 04, for reasons I think it
: would be difficult to explain, but I guess I feel that this is a question
: that I don't personally need answered.
: If Bungie had shown a Covenant character use that 'corridor', or if Keyes or
: the marines had been shown using it when boarding the vehicle... I suppose
: we have to assume he uses it, if he gets into the cockpit to fly the
: vehicle, and the troop bay is shown opening, so we almost have to assume
: there's some access...
: I think at that point I'd be willing to write it off on the basis that the
: original design was cool and iconic, but impractical. I think that's
: sufficient motivation for Bungie to retire the Spirit and introduce the
: Phantom, which is a lot more consistent with the rest of the Covenant
: designs, and also more practical and traditional.
: Reach brings back the old design for continuity and nostalgia; and
: acknowledging that it was an impractical design didn't bother to correct
: any of its flaws. So the corridor area that seems small and impractical
: just gets eliminated because it minimizes the iconic nature of the design
: (which is essentially the two large troop nacelles held together by a
: gun). Of course, they also add in Phantoms, which we don't see in Halo 1,
: which further seems to emphasize that the justification is nostalgia and
: not continuity. So putting in Spirits does stop people from asking why
: there aren't Spirits, but it raises the question (again) of why there
: aren't Phantoms at Installation 04-- or, at the very least, doesn't answer
: it. If the game had Spirits but not Phantoms, you could conceivably
: convince yourself that Phantoms arrived in the volume around Reach / Earth
: / Installation 04 / Delta Halo only within the Halo 2 timeframe, which
: explains their absence earlier, and they supersede the odder Spirit
: models, which explains why you don't see them after.
: I'm guessing Phantoms were also put in because Bungie artists like them (and
: their atmospheric spotlights) and they're cool, which sort of overrode the
: need to develop a comprehensive, accurate and consistent history of
: Covenant military transport.
: That's the best I got. Can't say it shows a particular attention to
: consistency on Bungie's part, I just have a tough time calling one
: "wrong" or "right" when backing off a bit, and
: ignoring some supplemental material makes the problem go away. Without
: taking for granted that there's a hallway there, both the Reach and Halo 1
: models of the Spirit are both "good enough" approximations of
: the "real" Spirit design in the Haloverse; one appears to have a
: larger blank space near where the troop nacelles join, but neither has a
: communicating corridor.
: That's all I can come up with.
Fair enough. The Spirits are a lot closer in design and easier to justify than the new Banshees that came out of the blue. What's your take on them?
For the Spirits, I'll reserve the possibility that Bungie just didn't revisit or think of it when designing Reach's version.
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I disagree on many points | uberfoop | 5/11/11 10:36 p.m. |
To clarify. | uberfoop | 5/11/11 11:10 p.m. |
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You can't please everyone all of the time *NM* | Bry | 5/24/11 6:37 a.m. |
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Re: Commentary Transcripts. | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 6/2/11 7:10 p.m. |
Re: Commentary Transcripts. | Narcogen | 6/3/11 12:39 a.m. |
Re: Commentary Transcripts. | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 6/3/11 8:17 a.m. |
Re: Commentary Transcripts. | Narcogen | 6/3/11 12:19 a.m. |
Re: My Comprehensive-ish Argument With Narcogen | General Vagueness | 5/30/11 10:51 a.m. |
Re: Johnson's survival | Document | 5/30/11 4:19 p.m. |
Re: My Comprehensive-ish Argument With Narcogen | General Vagueness | 5/30/11 10:56 a.m. |
Re: My Comprehensive-ish Argument With Narcogen | pete_the_duck | 5/30/11 11:09 a.m. |
Re: My Comprehensive-ish Argument With Narcogen | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/30/11 11:20 a.m. |
Re: My Comprehensive-ish Argument With Narcogen | Narcogen | 5/31/11 12:22 a.m. |
Re: My Comprehensive-ish Argument With Narcogen | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/31/11 6:24 a.m. |
Re: My Comprehensive-ish Argument With Narcogen | Narcogen | 6/1/11 1:11 a.m. |
Re: My Comprehensive-ish Argument With Narcogen | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 6/1/11 6:33 a.m. |
Re: My Comprehensive-ish Argument With Narcogen | Narcogen | 6/2/11 1:29 a.m. |
Re: My Comprehensive-ish Argument With Narcogen | General Vagueness | 5/30/11 11:34 a.m. |
Re: My Comprehensive-ish Argument With Narcogen | General Vagueness | 5/30/11 11:44 a.m. |
Re: My Comprehensive-ish Argument With Narcogen | Narcogen | 5/31/11 12:29 a.m. |
Re: My Comprehensive-ish Argument With Narcogen | Leisandir | 5/31/11 12:05 p.m. |
Re: My Comprehensive-ish Argument With Narcogen | Louis Wu | 5/31/11 12:09 p.m. |
Re: My Comprehensive-ish Argument With Narcogen | Cody Miller | 5/31/11 12:49 p.m. |
Re: My Comprehensive-ish Argument With Narcogen | Narcogen | 6/1/11 1:13 a.m. |
Re: My Comprehensive-ish Argument With Narcogen | Louis Wu | 6/1/11 7:07 a.m. |
Re: My Comprehensive-ish Argument With Narcogen | Narcogen | 6/2/11 1:28 a.m. |
Re: My Comprehensive-ish Argument With Narcogen | Narcogen | 5/31/11 12:17 a.m. |
Johnson's character status | Document | 5/30/11 4:09 p.m. |
Reprise: Testing size limits on individual posts. | Quirel | 6/5/11 2:53 a.m. |
Re: Reprise: Testing size limits on individual pos | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 6/5/11 8:24 a.m. |
Quirel- okay here's the response. | Narcogen | 6/13/11 5:01 a.m. |
Re: Quirel- okay here's the response. | scarab | 6/13/11 7:09 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/24/11 6:55 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | General Vagueness | 5/17/11 12:26 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/17/11 1:33 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | General Vagueness | 5/17/11 1:37 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/17/11 1:54 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | General Vagueness | 5/17/11 2:24 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/17/11 5:34 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | agdtinman | 5/17/11 6:49 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Bry | 5/17/11 8:34 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/17/11 9:48 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Bry | 5/17/11 1:44 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/17/11 1:53 p.m. |
Wrong example. | Louis Wu | 5/17/11 2:22 p.m. |
Re: Wrong example. | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/17/11 5:39 p.m. |
Re: Wrong example. | Narcogen | 5/18/11 12:33 a.m. |
Re: Wrong example. | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/18/11 8:33 a.m. |
Re: Wrong example. | Narcogen | 5/18/11 11:34 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Narcogen | 5/18/11 12:27 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Narcogen | 5/17/11 11:37 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/18/11 6:44 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Narcogen | 5/18/11 7:27 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/18/11 9:52 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Narcogen | 5/18/11 11:40 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/19/11 6:24 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Narcogen | 5/19/11 6:52 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/19/11 8:17 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Narcogen | 5/20/11 1:26 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/20/11 7:22 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Narcogen | 5/13/11 2:25 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Cody Miller | 5/13/11 11:17 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Hawaiian Pig | 5/14/11 6:10 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Cody Miller | 5/15/11 2:55 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Narcogen | 5/15/11 10:59 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Bry | 5/12/11 4:33 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Avateur | 5/12/11 4:48 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Beckx | 5/12/11 5:01 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Avateur | 5/12/11 5:10 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | scarab | 5/12/11 6:09 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Beckx | 5/13/11 7:35 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Bry | 5/12/11 5:10 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Avateur | 5/12/11 5:25 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Quirel | 5/12/11 5:31 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/12/11 5:50 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | General Vagueness | 5/12/11 7:56 p.m. |
How to Still Care About Halo. | Narcogen | 5/15/11 11:01 p.m. |
Re: How to Still Care About Halo. | Hoovaloov | 5/16/11 7:17 a.m. |
Re: How to Still Care About Halo. | Narcogen | 5/17/11 12:17 a.m. |
Well said. | Kermit | 5/16/11 9:55 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Narcogen | 5/13/11 2:22 a.m. |
I like this post *NM* | Avateur | 5/12/11 12:58 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Duncan | 5/12/11 4:38 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | scarab | 5/12/11 6:18 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore | Hoovaloov | 5/16/11 7:20 a.m. |
I liked it better when humans were forerunners | Flynn J Taggart | 5/12/11 6:36 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore *SP* | Narcogen | 5/13/11 2:21 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore *SP* | mc_leprechaun | 5/13/11 12:07 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore *SP* | scarab | 5/13/11 12:46 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore *SP* | mc_leprechaun | 5/13/11 4:03 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore *SP* | Narcogen | 5/15/11 10:53 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore *SP* | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/16/11 6:26 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore *SP* | Dagoonite | 5/16/11 9:40 a.m. |
Why Retcons annoy me to no end... | The BS Police | 5/16/11 5:41 a.m. |
Re: Why Retcons annoy me to no end... | RC Master | 5/16/11 10:54 a.m. |
Re: Why Retcons annoy me to no end... | General Vagueness | 5/16/11 11:56 a.m. |
Re: Why Retcons annoy me to no end... | The BS Police | 5/16/11 3:46 p.m. |
Re: Why Retcons annoy me to no end... | General Vagueness | 5/16/11 6:17 p.m. |
.....The Hell's A Retcon? (/dumb) *NM* | Morpheus | 5/16/11 8:24 a.m. |
Re: .....The Hell's A Retcon? (/dumb) | Beckx | 5/16/11 9:01 a.m. |
Retroactive Continuity... | GrimBrother One | 5/16/11 9:02 a.m. |
Re: Retroactive Continuity... | Morpheus | 5/16/11 1:59 p.m. |
Re: Retroactive Continuity... | Quirel | 5/16/11 6:42 p.m. |
Re: Retroactive Continuity... | Unique Name | 5/16/11 7:27 p.m. |
Re: Retroactive Continuity... | Quirel | 5/16/11 7:54 p.m. |
You make no sense! | ZackDark | 5/16/11 9:00 p.m. |
Re: You make no sense! | Quirel | 5/16/11 10:20 p.m. |
Re: You make no sense! | Beckx | 5/17/11 8:21 a.m. |
Re: You make no sense! | ZackDark | 5/17/11 10:30 a.m. |
Why retcons do bother me. | Gravemind | 5/24/11 4:45 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons do bother me. | General Vagueness | 5/24/11 6:25 p.m. |
Amen, brother! *NM* | The Loot | 5/24/11 6:50 p.m. |
I've said it before, I'll say it again... | Lurono | 5/24/11 7:41 p.m. |
Re: I've said it before, I'll say it again... | The Loot | 5/24/11 8:57 p.m. |
Re: I've said it before, I'll say it again... | General Battuta | 5/24/11 8:58 p.m. |
Re: I've said it before, I'll say it again... | General Battuta | 5/24/11 8:57 p.m. |
Re: I've said it before, I'll say it again... | Lurono | 5/24/11 9:22 p.m. |
Re: I've said it before, I'll say it again... | The Loot | 5/24/11 9:48 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons do bother me. | Narcogen | 5/25/11 8:01 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons do bother me. | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/25/11 8:30 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons do bother me. | Narcogen | 5/26/11 12:10 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons do bother me. | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/26/11 7:12 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons do bother me. | Narcogen | 5/26/11 7:46 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons do bother me. | Stephen L. (SoundEffect) | 5/26/11 1:07 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons do bother me. | Narcogen | 5/26/11 11:19 p.m. |
Re: Why retcons do bother me. | Archilen | 5/25/11 11:43 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons do bother me. | Narcogen | 5/26/11 12:14 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons do bother me. | Cody Miller | 5/26/11 12:17 a.m. |
Re: Why retcons do bother me. | Narcogen | 5/26/11 12:21 a.m. |