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Re: Rebetrayability
Posted By: uberfoop <atkinso2@seattleu.edu>Date: 2/21/11 1:04 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Rebetrayability (Narcogen)


: I'm more looking at just approaches and outcomes. Regardless of the other
: elements in the scenario, when you look at vehicles in H1 there are only
: two outcomes: destroy or avoid. You can destroy the vehicle (killing the
: pilot) or you can run away. In H3 and beyond, there are three outcomes:
: destroy, avoid, hijack. The hijack outcome gives you a vehicle you can
: then either use or not use, whereas scenarios in H1 that include enemy
: vehicles but not friendly vehicles give you no such opportunity.

: As a general rule, this multiplies all the possible outcomes because anything
: you can do in H1 you can do in H3, and anywhere in H3 where there is a
: vehicle, you can either destroy it or capture it, and then either discard
: it or use it.

I'm not looking at just approaches and outcomes, and I don't see why I would want to, since that approach completely ignores the intricaces of combat. And those intricaces are what describes what works about Halo CE's combat; by ignoring them and simply looking at approaches and outcomes, you ignore everything that makes Halo CE's combat special. It's like assessing the Karesansui Rock Garden by tallying up the total monetary value of the rocks in it, or counting how many rocks it has.

As I've said before, a whole lot of things in Halo 3 feel similar to me to do. Sure, there are a ton of various {weapon, enemy, enemy weapon, enemy vehicle, outcome} combinations, but if within them there isn't as much actual gameplay variety, then so what?

: Now, a Halo 1 remake in HD on the modern engine? Well, AotCR on that game
: would win easily.

If it were an extremely close remake, it might sit with me similarly to how AotCR already does. Otherwise, I suspect it would likely suffer from the same issues that I think already give the newer games less gameplay variety than HCE.
Unless, of course, it did something completely off-the-wall different, at which point, well, who knows.

GT=sdnomdE



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So you're on a desert island:Jillybean 2/20/11 2:37 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Leviathan 2/20/11 2:45 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Moorpheusl9 2/20/11 2:46 p.m.
           Re: So you're on a desert island:Leviathan 2/20/11 2:48 p.m.
                 Re: So you're on a desert island:Moorpheusl9 2/20/11 2:52 p.m.
           Re: So you're on a desert island:Jillybean 2/20/11 3:19 p.m.
                 Re: So you're on a desert island:Schedonnardus 2/20/11 10:02 p.m.
                       Re: So you're on a desert island:ZackDark 2/20/11 10:05 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:ZackDark 2/20/11 3:12 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316) 2/20/11 3:14 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:NsU Soldier 2/20/11 3:19 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:padraig08 2/20/11 3:21 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Captain Spark 2/20/11 3:22 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 2/20/11 3:26 p.m.
     Two Betrayalsuberfoop 2/20/11 3:27 p.m.
           Well if you've got dibs on that, I'll take The MawHawaiian Pig 2/20/11 4:17 p.m.
                 Re: Well if you've got dibs on that, I'll take TheHawaiian Pig 2/20/11 9:20 p.m.
                       Re: Well if you've got dibs on that, I'll take TheZackDark 2/20/11 9:25 p.m.
                             Re: Well if you've got dibs on that, I'll take TheHawaiian Pig 2/20/11 9:34 p.m.
           RebetrayabilityNarcogen 2/20/11 10:59 p.m.
                 Re: Rebetrayabilityuberfoop 2/20/11 11:48 p.m.
                       Re: RebetrayabilityNarcogen 2/21/11 12:10 a.m.
                             Re: Rebetrayabilityuberfoop 2/21/11 12:31 a.m.
                                   Re: RebetrayabilityNarcogen 2/21/11 5:53 a.m.
                                         Re: Rebetrayabilityuberfoop 2/21/11 1:04 p.m.
                             Re: RebetrayabilityHawaiian Pig 2/21/11 3:16 a.m.
                                   Re: RebetrayabilityNarcogen 2/21/11 5:55 a.m.
                                   Put the rear of the Ghost through the doorscarab 2/21/11 10:55 a.m.
                                         Re: Put the rear of the Ghost through the doorHawaiian Pig 2/22/11 9:33 a.m.
                                               Re: Put the rear of the Ghost through the doorGeneral Vagueness 2/22/11 5:17 p.m.
                                                     Re: Put the rear of the Ghost through the doorHawaiian Pig 2/22/11 6:43 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:kornman00 2/20/11 3:34 p.m.
     AOTCR, Always & Forever. :) *NM*Bones153 2/20/11 3:44 p.m.
     Subconscious "Two Betrayals" response. *NM*cardo 8 atl 2/20/11 3:47 p.m.
     The Covenantkidtsunami 2/20/11 4:03 p.m.
     GuessBry 2/20/11 4:08 p.m.
           Re: GuessCaptain Spark 2/20/11 4:42 p.m.
                 Re: GuessSonofMacPhisto 2/20/11 6:32 p.m.
                 Classy.BlueNinja 2/20/11 6:40 p.m.
                 Hey now...GrimBrother One 2/20/11 7:10 p.m.
                       Stuntmutt would be proud. *NM*BlueNinja 2/21/11 2:26 a.m.
                       Once Bry's done with 'em, the Covies disagree. *NM*SonofMacPhisto 2/21/11 10:41 a.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:grantix 2/20/11 4:43 p.m.
     AotCR. Best. Stage. Ever. *NM*Gravemind 2/20/11 4:51 p.m.
     AOTCR, easily!Rockslider 2/20/11 4:52 p.m.
     Two Betrayals *NM*Avateur 2/20/11 5:06 p.m.
     Silent Cartographer or AotCR *NM*SonGoharotto 2/20/11 5:42 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Beckx 2/20/11 6:06 p.m.
           Re: So you're on a desert island:Metalingus627 2/20/11 6:16 p.m.
     I wouldn't bring any.iMonkey777 2/20/11 6:17 p.m.
           Re: I wouldn't bring any.Jillybean 2/21/11 12:36 p.m.
                 Re: I wouldn't bring any.Lobster 2/21/11 8:22 p.m.
     Would I lose friends if I said...thebruce0 2/20/11 6:44 p.m.
           BAN HIM NAO! lol j/k :P *NM*Moorpheusl9 2/20/11 6:55 p.m.
           Re: Would I lose friends if I said...SonofMacPhisto 2/20/11 7:01 p.m.
                 Re: Would I lose friends if I said...thebruce0 2/20/11 7:20 p.m.
                 Re: Would I lose friends if I said...Lobster 2/20/11 7:21 p.m.
                       Re: Would I lose friends if I said...thebruce0 2/20/11 7:32 p.m.
                             Re: Would I lose friends if I said...Jillybean 2/21/11 12:39 p.m.
                                   Re: Would I lose friends if I said...SonofMacPhisto 2/21/11 1:21 p.m.
                                         Re: Would I lose friends if I said...Jillybean 2/21/11 1:32 p.m.
                                               LOUD NOISES *NM*thebruce0 2/21/11 1:55 p.m.
                                               Re: Would I lose friends if I said...Narcogen 2/21/11 10:29 p.m.
                       Not gonna lie...Moorpheusl9 2/20/11 7:48 p.m.
                             This :) *NM*thebruce0 2/20/11 7:52 p.m.
                             ...I'm gonna make it hurt. *NM*Beckx 2/20/11 7:59 p.m.
                             Days? I shut it off for weeks. True story. *NM*ZackDark 2/20/11 8:49 p.m.
                             Re: Not gonna lie...Lurono 2/21/11 12:45 a.m.
           Re: Would I lose friends if I said...uberfoop 2/20/11 8:20 p.m.
                 Re: Would I lose friends if I said...thebruce0 2/20/11 10:09 p.m.
                       Re: Would I lose friends if I said...Rockslider 2/21/11 5:02 p.m.
                             Re: Would I lose friends if I said...thebruce0 2/21/11 11:29 p.m.
                                   Re: Would I lose friends if I said...SonofMacPhisto 2/22/11 9:33 a.m.
                 Re: Would I lose friends if I said...Lobster 2/21/11 8:28 p.m.
           Underrated stage is underrated.Gravemind 2/20/11 11:16 p.m.
           I'm going to have to go with . . .cheapLEY 2/20/11 11:16 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Lobster 2/20/11 7:18 p.m.
           Re: So you're on a desert island:Jillybean 2/21/11 12:44 p.m.
     Silent Cartographer...Hyokin 2/20/11 7:33 p.m.
     Halo 3 - The CovenantHikaru-119 2/20/11 7:54 p.m.
           Actually, there is sniping tooZackDark 2/20/11 8:53 p.m.
                 Re: Actually, there is sniping tooBeckx 2/21/11 8:54 a.m.
           Re: Halo 3 - The CovenantJillybean 2/21/11 12:47 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Cody Miller 2/20/11 8:49 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Alexis 2/20/11 9:38 p.m.
     Silent Cartographer except ...Kermit 2/20/11 10:08 p.m.
     The Ark.Narcogen 2/20/11 10:49 p.m.
           Re: The Ark.Jillybean 2/21/11 12:51 p.m.
     AotCRNartFOpc 2/20/11 10:55 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Lurono 2/20/11 11:07 p.m.
           Great thread!Lurono 2/21/11 2:33 a.m.
                 Re: Great thread!Jillybean 2/21/11 12:52 p.m.
                       noooooooooooo! *NM* *NM*thebruce0 2/21/11 1:52 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Someone 2/20/11 11:51 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:gspawn 2/21/11 8:14 a.m.
           Re: So you're on a desert island:SonofMacPhisto 2/21/11 10:53 a.m.
                 ^ Response to OP, not you, sorry. :) *NM*SonofMacPhisto 2/21/11 12:19 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:General Vagueness 2/21/11 11:51 a.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Zogen 2/21/11 3:47 p.m.
     Some past threads (AOTCR, TB, Library)Rockslider 2/21/11 4:50 p.m.
           Re: Some past threads (AOTCR, TB, Library)Lobster 2/21/11 9:01 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Quirel 2/21/11 9:50 p.m.
     Re: So you're on Jilligan's Island:Hedgemony 2/22/11 1:03 a.m.
           Lol. *applause* *NM*Leviathan 2/22/11 1:12 a.m.
           A 5oz. swallow could not carry a 1lb. beckx *NM*padraig08 2/22/11 2:31 a.m.
           Re: So you're on Jilligan's Island:Jillybean 2/22/11 11:58 a.m.
                 Re: So you're on Jilligan's Island:Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 2/22/11 5:30 p.m.
                       Re: So you're on Jilligan's Island:Jillybean 2/23/11 12:11 p.m.
           LOL! It's funny because it's true!Beckx 2/22/11 12:36 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Miguel Chavez 2/22/11 8:07 a.m.
           Re: So you're on a desert island:SonofMacPhisto 2/22/11 9:38 a.m.
                 Re: So you're on a desert island:Beckx 2/22/11 6:25 p.m.



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