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Re: Rebetrayability
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>Date: 2/21/11 5:53 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Rebetrayability (uberfoop)


: I'm not entirely sure I agree. I want dynamic and complex, not random.

The desert island scenario assumes a lifetime to play and nothing else, though. At some point, no matter how dynamic and complex, without an unexpected element you will end up having seen and done everything in every possible way.

: It adds a little, but for me not much more than a very small finite amount.
: Given any particular vehicle controlled by an AI in Halo 3, and there are,
: I've found, a couple of specific and very formulaic ways to steal it.
: Hijacking doesn't really get all that interesting, IMO, until you get into
: multiplayer, where you get to psycologically mess with actual human
: beings.

I'm more looking at just approaches and outcomes. Regardless of the other elements in the scenario, when you look at vehicles in H1 there are only two outcomes: destroy or avoid. You can destroy the vehicle (killing the pilot) or you can run away. In H3 and beyond, there are three outcomes: destroy, avoid, hijack. The hijack outcome gives you a vehicle you can then either use or not use, whereas scenarios in H1 that include enemy vehicles but not friendly vehicles give you no such opportunity.

As a general rule, this multiplies all the possible outcomes because anything you can do in H1 you can do in H3, and anywhere in H3 where there is a vehicle, you can either destroy it or capture it, and then either discard it or use it.

: Sure, but honor rules and skulls are both artificial and arbitrary.

Being that you're on a desert island you can just declare all things that are artificial and arbitrary to be tasty and delicious. I'm not really sure why these two things are to be counted against the H3.x engine with respect to this scenario.

: I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree; what I do know is that, while
: The Ark and The Covenant got a whole lot of playthroughs from me, they've
: lost some of their luster, while the Halo CE greats still feel (well,
: almost) fresh as ever.

I won't disagree. It was really tough not to pick AotCR, frankly, and doubly so because I don't like Brutes and the Ark is a whole lot of Brutes.

I'm looking at this as a test way beyond the idea of "what level would I like to play right now" or "what level have I played an awful lot and still liked" because a lot of those mentioned pass those tests.

I'm thinking of a number of replays that goes far beyond what any normal person would voluntarily undergo. I think there's a point at which just about any of the levels loses its luster, but when you come down to skulls, equipment, boarding and AI driving, the H3 levels let you add another layer of variety there that can't be put into H1 no matter how hard you try (although Captain Spark comes damn close).

Now, a Halo 1 remake in HD on the modern engine? Well, AotCR on that game would win easily.

Death by intelligence



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So you're on a desert island:Jillybean 2/20/11 2:37 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Leviathan 2/20/11 2:45 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Moorpheusl9 2/20/11 2:46 p.m.
           Re: So you're on a desert island:Leviathan 2/20/11 2:48 p.m.
                 Re: So you're on a desert island:Moorpheusl9 2/20/11 2:52 p.m.
           Re: So you're on a desert island:Jillybean 2/20/11 3:19 p.m.
                 Re: So you're on a desert island:Schedonnardus 2/20/11 10:02 p.m.
                       Re: So you're on a desert island:ZackDark 2/20/11 10:05 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:ZackDark 2/20/11 3:12 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316) 2/20/11 3:14 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:NsU Soldier 2/20/11 3:19 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:padraig08 2/20/11 3:21 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Captain Spark 2/20/11 3:22 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 2/20/11 3:26 p.m.
     Two Betrayalsuberfoop 2/20/11 3:27 p.m.
           Well if you've got dibs on that, I'll take The MawHawaiian Pig 2/20/11 4:17 p.m.
                 Re: Well if you've got dibs on that, I'll take TheHawaiian Pig 2/20/11 9:20 p.m.
                       Re: Well if you've got dibs on that, I'll take TheZackDark 2/20/11 9:25 p.m.
                             Re: Well if you've got dibs on that, I'll take TheHawaiian Pig 2/20/11 9:34 p.m.
           RebetrayabilityNarcogen 2/20/11 10:59 p.m.
                 Re: Rebetrayabilityuberfoop 2/20/11 11:48 p.m.
                       Re: RebetrayabilityNarcogen 2/21/11 12:10 a.m.
                             Re: Rebetrayabilityuberfoop 2/21/11 12:31 a.m.
                                   Re: RebetrayabilityNarcogen 2/21/11 5:53 a.m.
                                         Re: Rebetrayabilityuberfoop 2/21/11 1:04 p.m.
                             Re: RebetrayabilityHawaiian Pig 2/21/11 3:16 a.m.
                                   Re: RebetrayabilityNarcogen 2/21/11 5:55 a.m.
                                   Put the rear of the Ghost through the doorscarab 2/21/11 10:55 a.m.
                                         Re: Put the rear of the Ghost through the doorHawaiian Pig 2/22/11 9:33 a.m.
                                               Re: Put the rear of the Ghost through the doorGeneral Vagueness 2/22/11 5:17 p.m.
                                                     Re: Put the rear of the Ghost through the doorHawaiian Pig 2/22/11 6:43 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:kornman00 2/20/11 3:34 p.m.
     AOTCR, Always & Forever. :) *NM*Bones153 2/20/11 3:44 p.m.
     Subconscious "Two Betrayals" response. *NM*cardo 8 atl 2/20/11 3:47 p.m.
     The Covenantkidtsunami 2/20/11 4:03 p.m.
     GuessBry 2/20/11 4:08 p.m.
           Re: GuessCaptain Spark 2/20/11 4:42 p.m.
                 Re: GuessSonofMacPhisto 2/20/11 6:32 p.m.
                 Classy.BlueNinja 2/20/11 6:40 p.m.
                 Hey now...GrimBrother One 2/20/11 7:10 p.m.
                       Stuntmutt would be proud. *NM*BlueNinja 2/21/11 2:26 a.m.
                       Once Bry's done with 'em, the Covies disagree. *NM*SonofMacPhisto 2/21/11 10:41 a.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:grantix 2/20/11 4:43 p.m.
     AotCR. Best. Stage. Ever. *NM*Gravemind 2/20/11 4:51 p.m.
     AOTCR, easily!Rockslider 2/20/11 4:52 p.m.
     Two Betrayals *NM*Avateur 2/20/11 5:06 p.m.
     Silent Cartographer or AotCR *NM*SonGoharotto 2/20/11 5:42 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Beckx 2/20/11 6:06 p.m.
           Re: So you're on a desert island:Metalingus627 2/20/11 6:16 p.m.
     I wouldn't bring any.iMonkey777 2/20/11 6:17 p.m.
           Re: I wouldn't bring any.Jillybean 2/21/11 12:36 p.m.
                 Re: I wouldn't bring any.Lobster 2/21/11 8:22 p.m.
     Would I lose friends if I said...thebruce0 2/20/11 6:44 p.m.
           BAN HIM NAO! lol j/k :P *NM*Moorpheusl9 2/20/11 6:55 p.m.
           Re: Would I lose friends if I said...SonofMacPhisto 2/20/11 7:01 p.m.
                 Re: Would I lose friends if I said...thebruce0 2/20/11 7:20 p.m.
                 Re: Would I lose friends if I said...Lobster 2/20/11 7:21 p.m.
                       Re: Would I lose friends if I said...thebruce0 2/20/11 7:32 p.m.
                             Re: Would I lose friends if I said...Jillybean 2/21/11 12:39 p.m.
                                   Re: Would I lose friends if I said...SonofMacPhisto 2/21/11 1:21 p.m.
                                         Re: Would I lose friends if I said...Jillybean 2/21/11 1:32 p.m.
                                               LOUD NOISES *NM*thebruce0 2/21/11 1:55 p.m.
                                               Re: Would I lose friends if I said...Narcogen 2/21/11 10:29 p.m.
                       Not gonna lie...Moorpheusl9 2/20/11 7:48 p.m.
                             This :) *NM*thebruce0 2/20/11 7:52 p.m.
                             ...I'm gonna make it hurt. *NM*Beckx 2/20/11 7:59 p.m.
                             Days? I shut it off for weeks. True story. *NM*ZackDark 2/20/11 8:49 p.m.
                             Re: Not gonna lie...Lurono 2/21/11 12:45 a.m.
           Re: Would I lose friends if I said...uberfoop 2/20/11 8:20 p.m.
                 Re: Would I lose friends if I said...thebruce0 2/20/11 10:09 p.m.
                       Re: Would I lose friends if I said...Rockslider 2/21/11 5:02 p.m.
                             Re: Would I lose friends if I said...thebruce0 2/21/11 11:29 p.m.
                                   Re: Would I lose friends if I said...SonofMacPhisto 2/22/11 9:33 a.m.
                 Re: Would I lose friends if I said...Lobster 2/21/11 8:28 p.m.
           Underrated stage is underrated.Gravemind 2/20/11 11:16 p.m.
           I'm going to have to go with . . .cheapLEY 2/20/11 11:16 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Lobster 2/20/11 7:18 p.m.
           Re: So you're on a desert island:Jillybean 2/21/11 12:44 p.m.
     Silent Cartographer...Hyokin 2/20/11 7:33 p.m.
     Halo 3 - The CovenantHikaru-119 2/20/11 7:54 p.m.
           Actually, there is sniping tooZackDark 2/20/11 8:53 p.m.
                 Re: Actually, there is sniping tooBeckx 2/21/11 8:54 a.m.
           Re: Halo 3 - The CovenantJillybean 2/21/11 12:47 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Cody Miller 2/20/11 8:49 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Alexis 2/20/11 9:38 p.m.
     Silent Cartographer except ...Kermit 2/20/11 10:08 p.m.
     The Ark.Narcogen 2/20/11 10:49 p.m.
           Re: The Ark.Jillybean 2/21/11 12:51 p.m.
     AotCRNartFOpc 2/20/11 10:55 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Lurono 2/20/11 11:07 p.m.
           Great thread!Lurono 2/21/11 2:33 a.m.
                 Re: Great thread!Jillybean 2/21/11 12:52 p.m.
                       noooooooooooo! *NM* *NM*thebruce0 2/21/11 1:52 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Someone 2/20/11 11:51 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:gspawn 2/21/11 8:14 a.m.
           Re: So you're on a desert island:SonofMacPhisto 2/21/11 10:53 a.m.
                 ^ Response to OP, not you, sorry. :) *NM*SonofMacPhisto 2/21/11 12:19 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:General Vagueness 2/21/11 11:51 a.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Zogen 2/21/11 3:47 p.m.
     Some past threads (AOTCR, TB, Library)Rockslider 2/21/11 4:50 p.m.
           Re: Some past threads (AOTCR, TB, Library)Lobster 2/21/11 9:01 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Quirel 2/21/11 9:50 p.m.
     Re: So you're on Jilligan's Island:Hedgemony 2/22/11 1:03 a.m.
           Lol. *applause* *NM*Leviathan 2/22/11 1:12 a.m.
           A 5oz. swallow could not carry a 1lb. beckx *NM*padraig08 2/22/11 2:31 a.m.
           Re: So you're on Jilligan's Island:Jillybean 2/22/11 11:58 a.m.
                 Re: So you're on Jilligan's Island:Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 2/22/11 5:30 p.m.
                       Re: So you're on Jilligan's Island:Jillybean 2/23/11 12:11 p.m.
           LOL! It's funny because it's true!Beckx 2/22/11 12:36 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Miguel Chavez 2/22/11 8:07 a.m.
           Re: So you're on a desert island:SonofMacPhisto 2/22/11 9:38 a.m.
                 Re: So you're on a desert island:Beckx 2/22/11 6:25 p.m.



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