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Rebetrayability
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>Date: 2/20/11 10:59 p.m.

In Response To: Two Betrayals (uberfoop)


: While the non-HCE Halo games have, almost all of them, gotten more more
: replay value than any non-Halo FPS games, HCE has gotten me vastly more
: replay value than any of the other Halo games. If I was stuck on a desert
: island, I'm not sure I'd even consider many of the levels from the other
: titles; perhaps The Ark or The Covenant would be candidates.

While I'd agree that H1 is perhaps the single most replayable title, I'm not sure that it's still got the most replayable level in the series. Two Betrayals is great, but there are a lot of gameplay options it doesn't have that limit the scope of what you can do.

There's no vehicle boarding. In every game since H2 you can switch up your approach to the enemy by trying to take a vehicle from he enemy intact and use it against them. Halo 1 doesn't have this option.

Equipment/Loadouts. In some form or other, all the games starting from Halo 3 give you a choice of additional abilities that you can use to vary your play style.

Simple Flood. Before H3 the only real variation in Flood enemies came from what they were armed with. The addition of pureforms, with their mix of fast moving units, long range units, and unarmed but up-close melee units, provides a more varied challenge. I still like fighting Flood less than fighting the Covenant, but if you want variety it has to be Halo 3's Flood.

: And of the potential candidates, I think I'd go with Two Betrayals. Its got
: an incredibly internally consistant and directed feel without completely
: requiring the levels around it in order to work. It has, IMO, the most
: diverse combat opportunities in the series. It's long. It has what are,
: IMO, the most functionally grand battles in the series. And I've
: probably spent more time staring at stuff in Two Betrayals than on any
: other level in the series; AotCR is beautiful, Halo is beautiful, Silent
: Cartographer is beautiful, but those vast, peaceful snowy canyons in that
: teal light with those eerie windy noises... Wow. Never gets old, never
: gets unwow. Seriously, at the end of the final canyon, up from the high
: snowy ledge, I could just walk around and stare down at the two-story
: bridge and the canyon below for hours.

I love all those levels as well, and it may very well be true that I've played them more so far than any of the levels from the later games. However, I think when it comes down to it, once you reach the point where you're painfully familiar with every element, the Halo 1 experience gives you fewer obvious buttons and levers to push to modify the way the game plays compared to what comes after.

Besides, in Halo 3, when you get tired of playing your one campaign level, you can replay a film, and fly around the landscape watching yourself play-- or watch the enemies react to you as you play.

Death by intelligence



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So you're on a desert island:Jillybean 2/20/11 2:37 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Leviathan 2/20/11 2:45 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Moorpheusl9 2/20/11 2:46 p.m.
           Re: So you're on a desert island:Leviathan 2/20/11 2:48 p.m.
                 Re: So you're on a desert island:Moorpheusl9 2/20/11 2:52 p.m.
           Re: So you're on a desert island:Jillybean 2/20/11 3:19 p.m.
                 Re: So you're on a desert island:Schedonnardus 2/20/11 10:02 p.m.
                       Re: So you're on a desert island:ZackDark 2/20/11 10:05 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:ZackDark 2/20/11 3:12 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316) 2/20/11 3:14 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:NsU Soldier 2/20/11 3:19 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:padraig08 2/20/11 3:21 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Captain Spark 2/20/11 3:22 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 2/20/11 3:26 p.m.
     Two Betrayalsuberfoop 2/20/11 3:27 p.m.
           Well if you've got dibs on that, I'll take The MawHawaiian Pig 2/20/11 4:17 p.m.
                 Re: Well if you've got dibs on that, I'll take TheHawaiian Pig 2/20/11 9:20 p.m.
                       Re: Well if you've got dibs on that, I'll take TheZackDark 2/20/11 9:25 p.m.
                             Re: Well if you've got dibs on that, I'll take TheHawaiian Pig 2/20/11 9:34 p.m.
           RebetrayabilityNarcogen 2/20/11 10:59 p.m.
                 Re: Rebetrayabilityuberfoop 2/20/11 11:48 p.m.
                       Re: RebetrayabilityNarcogen 2/21/11 12:10 a.m.
                             Re: Rebetrayabilityuberfoop 2/21/11 12:31 a.m.
                                   Re: RebetrayabilityNarcogen 2/21/11 5:53 a.m.
                                         Re: Rebetrayabilityuberfoop 2/21/11 1:04 p.m.
                             Re: RebetrayabilityHawaiian Pig 2/21/11 3:16 a.m.
                                   Re: RebetrayabilityNarcogen 2/21/11 5:55 a.m.
                                   Put the rear of the Ghost through the doorscarab 2/21/11 10:55 a.m.
                                         Re: Put the rear of the Ghost through the doorHawaiian Pig 2/22/11 9:33 a.m.
                                               Re: Put the rear of the Ghost through the doorGeneral Vagueness 2/22/11 5:17 p.m.
                                                     Re: Put the rear of the Ghost through the doorHawaiian Pig 2/22/11 6:43 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:kornman00 2/20/11 3:34 p.m.
     AOTCR, Always & Forever. :) *NM*Bones153 2/20/11 3:44 p.m.
     Subconscious "Two Betrayals" response. *NM*cardo 8 atl 2/20/11 3:47 p.m.
     The Covenantkidtsunami 2/20/11 4:03 p.m.
     GuessBry 2/20/11 4:08 p.m.
           Re: GuessCaptain Spark 2/20/11 4:42 p.m.
                 Re: GuessSonofMacPhisto 2/20/11 6:32 p.m.
                 Classy.BlueNinja 2/20/11 6:40 p.m.
                 Hey now...GrimBrother One 2/20/11 7:10 p.m.
                       Stuntmutt would be proud. *NM*BlueNinja 2/21/11 2:26 a.m.
                       Once Bry's done with 'em, the Covies disagree. *NM*SonofMacPhisto 2/21/11 10:41 a.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:grantix 2/20/11 4:43 p.m.
     AotCR. Best. Stage. Ever. *NM*Gravemind 2/20/11 4:51 p.m.
     AOTCR, easily!Rockslider 2/20/11 4:52 p.m.
     Two Betrayals *NM*Avateur 2/20/11 5:06 p.m.
     Silent Cartographer or AotCR *NM*SonGoharotto 2/20/11 5:42 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Beckx 2/20/11 6:06 p.m.
           Re: So you're on a desert island:Metalingus627 2/20/11 6:16 p.m.
     I wouldn't bring any.iMonkey777 2/20/11 6:17 p.m.
           Re: I wouldn't bring any.Jillybean 2/21/11 12:36 p.m.
                 Re: I wouldn't bring any.Lobster 2/21/11 8:22 p.m.
     Would I lose friends if I said...thebruce0 2/20/11 6:44 p.m.
           BAN HIM NAO! lol j/k :P *NM*Moorpheusl9 2/20/11 6:55 p.m.
           Re: Would I lose friends if I said...SonofMacPhisto 2/20/11 7:01 p.m.
                 Re: Would I lose friends if I said...thebruce0 2/20/11 7:20 p.m.
                 Re: Would I lose friends if I said...Lobster 2/20/11 7:21 p.m.
                       Re: Would I lose friends if I said...thebruce0 2/20/11 7:32 p.m.
                             Re: Would I lose friends if I said...Jillybean 2/21/11 12:39 p.m.
                                   Re: Would I lose friends if I said...SonofMacPhisto 2/21/11 1:21 p.m.
                                         Re: Would I lose friends if I said...Jillybean 2/21/11 1:32 p.m.
                                               LOUD NOISES *NM*thebruce0 2/21/11 1:55 p.m.
                                               Re: Would I lose friends if I said...Narcogen 2/21/11 10:29 p.m.
                       Not gonna lie...Moorpheusl9 2/20/11 7:48 p.m.
                             This :) *NM*thebruce0 2/20/11 7:52 p.m.
                             ...I'm gonna make it hurt. *NM*Beckx 2/20/11 7:59 p.m.
                             Days? I shut it off for weeks. True story. *NM*ZackDark 2/20/11 8:49 p.m.
                             Re: Not gonna lie...Lurono 2/21/11 12:45 a.m.
           Re: Would I lose friends if I said...uberfoop 2/20/11 8:20 p.m.
                 Re: Would I lose friends if I said...thebruce0 2/20/11 10:09 p.m.
                       Re: Would I lose friends if I said...Rockslider 2/21/11 5:02 p.m.
                             Re: Would I lose friends if I said...thebruce0 2/21/11 11:29 p.m.
                                   Re: Would I lose friends if I said...SonofMacPhisto 2/22/11 9:33 a.m.
                 Re: Would I lose friends if I said...Lobster 2/21/11 8:28 p.m.
           Underrated stage is underrated.Gravemind 2/20/11 11:16 p.m.
           I'm going to have to go with . . .cheapLEY 2/20/11 11:16 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Lobster 2/20/11 7:18 p.m.
           Re: So you're on a desert island:Jillybean 2/21/11 12:44 p.m.
     Silent Cartographer...Hyokin 2/20/11 7:33 p.m.
     Halo 3 - The CovenantHikaru-119 2/20/11 7:54 p.m.
           Actually, there is sniping tooZackDark 2/20/11 8:53 p.m.
                 Re: Actually, there is sniping tooBeckx 2/21/11 8:54 a.m.
           Re: Halo 3 - The CovenantJillybean 2/21/11 12:47 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Cody Miller 2/20/11 8:49 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Alexis 2/20/11 9:38 p.m.
     Silent Cartographer except ...Kermit 2/20/11 10:08 p.m.
     The Ark.Narcogen 2/20/11 10:49 p.m.
           Re: The Ark.Jillybean 2/21/11 12:51 p.m.
     AotCRNartFOpc 2/20/11 10:55 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Lurono 2/20/11 11:07 p.m.
           Great thread!Lurono 2/21/11 2:33 a.m.
                 Re: Great thread!Jillybean 2/21/11 12:52 p.m.
                       noooooooooooo! *NM* *NM*thebruce0 2/21/11 1:52 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Someone 2/20/11 11:51 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:gspawn 2/21/11 8:14 a.m.
           Re: So you're on a desert island:SonofMacPhisto 2/21/11 10:53 a.m.
                 ^ Response to OP, not you, sorry. :) *NM*SonofMacPhisto 2/21/11 12:19 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:General Vagueness 2/21/11 11:51 a.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Zogen 2/21/11 3:47 p.m.
     Some past threads (AOTCR, TB, Library)Rockslider 2/21/11 4:50 p.m.
           Re: Some past threads (AOTCR, TB, Library)Lobster 2/21/11 9:01 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Quirel 2/21/11 9:50 p.m.
     Re: So you're on Jilligan's Island:Hedgemony 2/22/11 1:03 a.m.
           Lol. *applause* *NM*Leviathan 2/22/11 1:12 a.m.
           A 5oz. swallow could not carry a 1lb. beckx *NM*padraig08 2/22/11 2:31 a.m.
           Re: So you're on Jilligan's Island:Jillybean 2/22/11 11:58 a.m.
                 Re: So you're on Jilligan's Island:Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 2/22/11 5:30 p.m.
                       Re: So you're on Jilligan's Island:Jillybean 2/23/11 12:11 p.m.
           LOL! It's funny because it's true!Beckx 2/22/11 12:36 p.m.
     Re: So you're on a desert island:Miguel Chavez 2/22/11 8:07 a.m.
           Re: So you're on a desert island:SonofMacPhisto 2/22/11 9:38 a.m.
                 Re: So you're on a desert island:Beckx 2/22/11 6:25 p.m.



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