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Re: Here is my brilliant rebuttal
Posted By: Kermit <kermi7@mac.com>Date: 2/17/11 11:02 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Here is my brilliant rebuttal (343winks.)


: See that is your first problem: You're thinking like you are reading a book.
: It's not a book, it a video game. Emphasis on "video."

: I don't really care what "classes" you took in creative writing.
: Hell, I took creative writing classes, but figuring what "it" is
: is not THAT hard. I think the main problem is, you don't realize who he is
: talking to when he says this line. You focus so much on the line itself
: that the context is being ignored.

: Creative writing is MOSTLY focused on books. A media where the "it"
: is described to you within the words on the page. Video Games is a
: different media altogether and relies heavily on visuals to get the scene
: across. This is why you miss "it." You miss who Arbiter is
: talking to and forget to remember the history behind him and the MC.

: This is NOT a book. there is no "reader" only a "viewer."
: (Think how Shakespeare had to do this in a world where very few people
: could read.) This is a visual media.

: If you are teaching classes in creative writing, I think you need to go back
: for a refresher course, but you are completely confused on media and how
: creative writing applies to each.

I'm well aware of the differences in medium, and I'm sorry, but I beg to differ with your statement that I'm completely confused. I do find your characterization of me and your prescriptions for me a little insulting. Maybe you didn't find it THAT hard to figure out what "it" is, but having to figure it out at all is problematic. If the "it" is so obvious, how come we have a full thread with people making up different meanings for "it"?

I've read and studied every one of Shakespeare's plays, thank you very much, and they work on the stage and on the page. I don't think games are exactly like plays, books or movies. I defended Reach at length because Cody insisted the story should have been structured like a traditional screenplay. But when you have two characters in a scene, and their lines don't work well together, that's basic stuff that cuts across different mediums. I'm sorry I made such a big deal about it. If it were a single weak line, something like "this cave is not a natural formation" (there's your non-reliance on the visual medium, BTW), my feelings wouldn't be so strong. What bothers me is that they made it a catchphrase, without bothering to create surrounding dialogue where it really fit.


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'Were it so easy.'SonofMacPhisto 2/16/11 11:33 p.m.
     Halo 3's Storytelling...uberfoop 2/17/11 12:03 a.m.
           Re: Halo 3's Storytelling...Hawaiian Pig 2/17/11 12:09 a.m.
                 Re: Halo 3's Storytelling...GrimBrother One 2/17/11 12:19 a.m.
                 Re: Halo 3's Storytelling...Narcogen 2/17/11 12:30 a.m.
                       Re: Halo 3's Storytelling...Hawaiian Pig 2/17/11 12:53 a.m.
                             Re: Halo 3's Storytelling...thebruce0 2/17/11 9:22 a.m.
                 Re: Halo 3's Storytelling...Flynn J Taggart 2/17/11 1:49 a.m.
                 Re: Halo 3's Storytelling...SonofMacPhisto 2/17/11 1:59 a.m.
                       Re: Halo 3's Storytelling...Hawaiian Pig 2/17/11 2:20 a.m.
                 Re: Halo 3's Storytelling...Kaidon 047 2/17/11 6:57 a.m.
                 Re: Halo 3's Storytelling...ManKitten 2/17/11 9:29 a.m.
           Re: Halo 3's Storytelling...SonofMacPhisto 2/17/11 1:54 a.m.
           Re: Halo 3's Storytelling...The BS Police 2/17/11 2:43 a.m.
                 Re: Halo 3's Storytelling...Avateur 2/17/11 6:33 a.m.
           Re: Halo 3's Storytelling...Jillybean 2/17/11 10:49 a.m.
                 Re: Halo 3's Storytelling...Narcogen 2/17/11 10:34 p.m.
                       Re: Halo 3's Storytelling...Jillybean 2/18/11 10:57 a.m.
           Upon further consideration.uberfoop 2/17/11 3:25 p.m.
                 Re: Upon further consideration.Hawaiian Pig 2/17/11 4:10 p.m.
                 Re: Upon further consideration.Metalingus627 2/17/11 5:29 p.m.
                       Re: Upon further consideration.Narcogen 2/17/11 10:32 p.m.
                             Re: Upon further consideration.Flynn J Taggart 2/18/11 12:28 a.m.
     It's a beautiful cutscene.padraig08 2/17/11 12:05 a.m.
           Re: It's a beautiful cutscene.uberfoop 2/17/11 12:21 a.m.
           Re: It's a beautiful cutscene.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 2/17/11 6:42 a.m.
     The cutscene that does it for me is...GrimBrother One 2/17/11 12:25 a.m.
           Re: The cutscene that does it for me is...Jaydee 2/17/11 12:38 a.m.
           Re: The cutscene that does it for me is...SonofMacPhisto 2/17/11 1:49 a.m.
           Re: The cutscene that does it for me is...Leviathan 2/17/11 2:42 a.m.
                 Re: The cutscene that does it for me is...Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 2/17/11 6:45 a.m.
           completely agree, one of my favorites for sure *NM*T07WRX5 2/17/11 2:19 p.m.
           Re: The cutscene that does it for me is...Narcogen 2/17/11 10:28 p.m.
           This^ *NM*Kermit 2/17/11 11:15 p.m.
     Re: 'Were it so easy.'Jaydee 2/17/11 12:28 a.m.
           Re: 'Were it so easy.'SonofMacPhisto 2/17/11 2:06 a.m.
                 Re: 'Were it so easy.'Leviathan 2/17/11 2:08 a.m.
                       Re: 'Were it so easy.'SonofMacPhisto 2/17/11 2:11 a.m.
                             Re: 'Were it so easy.'Leviathan 2/17/11 2:18 a.m.
                                   Re: 'Were it so easy.'SonofMacPhisto 2/17/11 2:20 a.m.
                                         Re: 'Were it so easy.'Leviathan 2/17/11 2:36 a.m.
     Worst line of the series, period.Kermit 2/17/11 5:49 a.m.
           Re: Worst line of the series, period.Azo 'Galvat 2/17/11 7:47 a.m.
                 Re: Worst line of the series, period.General Battuta 2/17/11 8:28 a.m.
                       Same. *NM*Beckx 2/17/11 9:35 a.m.
                       Re: Worst line of the series, period.kanbo 2/17/11 10:03 a.m.
                 Re: Worst line of the series, period.Kermit 2/17/11 10:10 a.m.
                       Re: Worst line of the series, period.Beckx 2/17/11 10:14 a.m.
                             Their, there, they're, thar. *NM*Beckx 2/17/11 10:15 a.m.
                             Re: Worst line of the series, period.Kermit 2/17/11 10:20 a.m.
                                   Re: Worst line of the series, period.Beckx 2/17/11 10:23 a.m.
                       Re: Worst line of the series, period.Schooly D 2/17/11 10:26 a.m.
                             Re: Worst line of the series, period.General Battuta 2/17/11 10:29 a.m.
                                   Re: Worst line of the series, period.ManKitten 2/17/11 10:32 a.m.
                                         Nicely phoneticized *NM*thebruce0 2/17/11 10:44 a.m.
                                   Re: Worst line of the series, period.SonofMacPhisto 2/17/11 1:30 p.m.
                                         Re: Worst line of the series, period.Avateur 2/17/11 2:10 p.m.
                                               Re: Worst line of the series, period.Beckx 2/17/11 4:12 p.m.
                                                     Re: Worst line of the series, period.Avateur 2/17/11 6:22 p.m.
                                                           Re: Worst line of the series, period.Leisandir 2/18/11 10:39 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Worst line of the series, period.Avateur 2/18/11 11:09 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Worst line of the series, period.General Battuta 2/18/11 11:58 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Worst line of the series, period.uberfoop 2/19/11 12:12 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Worst line of the series, period.Leisandir 2/19/11 1:06 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Worst line of the series, period.Hawaiian Pig 2/19/11 1:11 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Worst line of the series, period.Leisandir 2/19/11 11:06 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Worst line of the series, period.Avateur 2/19/11 2:24 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Worst line of the series, period.Leisandir 2/19/11 2:42 p.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Worst line of the series, period.uberfoop 2/19/11 3:16 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Worst line of the series, period.General Battuta 2/19/11 4:32 p.m.
                                                                                                           Re: Worst line of the series, period.SonofMacPhisto 2/19/11 4:49 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Worst line of the series, period.uberfoop 2/19/11 2:53 a.m.
                             Re: Worst line of the series, period.Beckx 2/17/11 10:33 a.m.
                                   Re: Worst line of the series, period.NsU Soldier 2/17/11 11:47 a.m.
                             Re: Worst line of the series, period.Azo 'Galvat 2/17/11 10:43 a.m.
                             Re: Worst line of the series, period.Narcogen 2/17/11 10:27 p.m.
                       Re: Worst line of the series, period.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 2/17/11 10:32 a.m.
                             Re: Worst line of the series, period.thebruce0 2/17/11 10:53 a.m.
                                   Re: Worst line of the series, period.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 2/17/11 11:10 a.m.
                                   Re: Worst line of the series, period.JDQuackers 2/17/11 1:11 p.m.
                                         Re: Worst line of the series, period.thebruce0 2/17/11 1:55 p.m.
                             Re: Worst line of the series, period.Hawaiian Pig 2/17/11 3:49 p.m.
                                   Re: Worst line of the series, period.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 2/17/11 7:16 p.m.
                                         Re: Worst line of the series, period.DEEP NNN 2/17/11 7:51 p.m.
                                         Re: Worst line of the series, period.thebruce0 2/17/11 10:33 p.m.
                             Re: Worst line of the series, period.Narcogen 2/17/11 10:33 p.m.
                       Here is my brilliant analysisGeneral Battuta 2/17/11 10:35 a.m.
                             My Thoughts Exactly *NM*Bones153 2/17/11 10:43 a.m.
                             Re: Here is my brilliant rebuttalKermit 2/17/11 10:53 a.m.
                                   Re: Here is my brilliant rebuttalGeneral Battuta 2/17/11 10:59 a.m.
                                         ugh pardon typoes *NM*General Battuta 2/17/11 10:59 a.m.
                                         Re: Here is my brilliant rebuttalKermit 2/17/11 11:50 a.m.
                                               Re: Here is my brilliant rebuttalGeneral Battuta 2/17/11 11:55 a.m.
                                                     Re: Here is my brilliant rebuttalKermit 2/17/11 11:59 a.m.
                                                     I think someone's too smart for their own good.The Loot 2/17/11 2:44 p.m.
                                                           Re: I think someone's too smart for their own goodKermit 2/17/11 4:31 p.m.
                                   Re: Here is my brilliant rebuttal343winks. 2/17/11 7:36 p.m.
                                         Re: Here is my brilliant rebuttalKermit 2/17/11 11:02 p.m.
                                               Re: Here is my brilliant rebuttalGeneral Battuta 2/18/11 12:22 a.m.
                                                     Re: Here is my brilliant rebuttalKermit 2/18/11 1:22 a.m.
                                                           Re: Here is my brilliant rebuttalGeneral Battuta 2/18/11 8:29 a.m.
                                                     ^This *NM*SonofMacPhisto 2/18/11 3:17 p.m.
                       Re: Worst line of the series, period.Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 2/17/11 10:46 a.m.
                       Re: Worst line of the series, period.Azo 'Galvat 2/17/11 11:07 a.m.
                       Re: Worst line of the series, period.ZackDark 2/17/11 5:16 p.m.
                       Re: Worst line of the series, period.343winks. 2/17/11 7:11 p.m.
           "To War" would like to have a word with you. *NM*Bones153 2/17/11 8:01 a.m.
                 Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.Moorpheusl9 2/17/11 8:17 a.m.
                       Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.Archilen 2/17/11 8:48 a.m.
                             Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.Bry 2/17/11 9:35 a.m.
                                   Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.SonofMacPhisto 2/17/11 10:19 a.m.
                                         Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.Leviathan 2/17/11 10:46 a.m.
                                               Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.Azo 'Galvat 2/17/11 11:09 a.m.
                                               Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.Quirel 2/17/11 11:22 a.m.
                                                     Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.thebruce0 2/17/11 11:29 a.m.
                                               Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.Metalingus627 2/17/11 1:51 p.m.
                                         Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.Bry 2/17/11 10:48 a.m.
                                         Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.NsU Soldier 2/17/11 12:03 p.m.
                                               Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.Archilen 2/17/11 12:05 p.m.
                                                     Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.Bry 2/17/11 12:20 p.m.
                                                           Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.NsU Soldier 2/17/11 12:41 p.m.
                                               Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.Azo 'Galvat 2/17/11 1:01 p.m.
                                                     Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.Moorpheusl9 2/17/11 1:26 p.m.
                                                           Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.SonofMacPhisto 2/17/11 1:43 p.m.
                                                                 Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.scarab 2/17/11 1:47 p.m.
                                                                       Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.General Battuta 2/17/11 2:28 p.m.
                                                                             Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.SonofMacPhisto 2/17/11 2:36 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.General Battuta 2/17/11 3:14 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: "To War" would like to have a word with you.SonofMacPhisto 2/17/11 3:18 p.m.
                                                                                         In a way, yes7he grunt w/a plasma pistol 2/17/11 3:37 p.m.
                                         Miranda wasn't thinking at all!The BS Police 2/17/11 1:43 p.m.
                                               Women drivers....bluerunner 2/17/11 1:54 p.m.
                                               Re: Miranda wasn't thinking at all!Bry 2/17/11 2:22 p.m.
                                               I'll tell you what doesn't make senseGeneral Battuta 2/17/11 2:30 p.m.
                                                     And man, poor Johnson!General Battuta 2/17/11 2:34 p.m.
                                                           I came back to life for this?! *NM*Moorpheusl9 2/17/11 2:37 p.m.
                                                           He's not dead but don't ask... *NM*scarab 2/17/11 2:42 p.m.
                                                                 I can't divulge classified information...Quirel 2/17/11 5:35 p.m.
                                                                       Re: I can't divulge classified information...scarab 2/17/11 7:01 p.m.
                                                                             Awesome AnalysisSparkypinball 2/18/11 3:35 a.m.
                                                                                   Oh thank you :-)scarab 2/18/11 4:47 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Oh thank you :-)topleybird 2/18/11 8:58 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Oh thank you :-)scarab 2/18/11 11:16 a.m.
                                               Re: Miranda wasn't thinking at all!343winks. 2/17/11 7:45 p.m.
                                                     Re: Miranda wasn't thinking at all!The BS Police 2/17/11 7:47 p.m.
                                                     Re: Miranda wasn't thinking at all!NsU Soldier 2/17/11 9:31 p.m.
                                                           Re: Miranda wasn't thinking at all!SonofMacPhisto 2/17/11 11:08 p.m.
           Re: BEST line of the series, probably.Narcogen 2/17/11 10:23 p.m.
                 Boy, this is fun!Kermit 2/17/11 11:13 p.m.
                       er, backwards^ *NM*Kermit 2/17/11 11:18 p.m.
                             Fun, this is boy? *NM*Narcogen 2/18/11 12:47 a.m.
                                   Ok but...MartytheElder 2/18/11 12:52 a.m.
                                         Re: Ok but...The Loot 2/18/11 12:56 a.m.
                                         Re: Ok but...Kermit 2/18/11 1:16 a.m.
                                               Re: Ok but...Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316) 2/18/11 8:46 a.m.
                                               Re: Ok but...SonofMacPhisto 2/18/11 3:21 p.m.
                                                     Re: Ok but...Kermit 2/18/11 4:31 p.m.
                                         Re: Ok but...Narcogen 2/18/11 1:52 a.m.
                                         E Dorian?!Hyokin 2/18/11 9:26 a.m.
                                               Re: E Dorian?!Kermit 2/18/11 4:38 p.m.
                                         Re: Ok but...SonofMacPhisto 2/18/11 3:13 p.m.
                                         Re: Ok but...Hawaiian Pig 2/18/11 4:25 p.m.



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