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Re: My technical disection of the Reach trailer
Posted By: Stephen L. (SoundEffect) <soundeffect@hotmail.com>Date: 12/20/09 10:22 a.m.

In Response To: Re: My technical disection of the Reach trailer (Eiii)


: o.o

: I don't think we're on the same page. I know what a skybox is, as you
: describe it-- what the source engine does to achieve its pretty
: geometry-laden skyboxes is actually render the textures (not the
: appropriate word to use there, but I don't know what is) that make up the
: skybox from a scaled-down piece of geometry on the map. So, somewhere in
: most HL2/TF2/L4D map geometries is a little out-of-the-way box with tiny
: buildings and everything that makes up the skybox. This way the skies are
: more than just a flat painting that looks a long way off-- because actual
: geometry is being used as a source (and the camera used to source it is
: moving around based on the player's position), you can achieve an actual
: sense of scale and distance in skyboxes. Heck, you can have skybox stuff
: be twenty feet away from the player, out of reach; as long as it 'flows'
: with the map geometry it won't look odd since everything renders correctly
: perspective-wise. Very helpful tool.

: ANYWAY, the reason I say that Halo 2 uses this system is that you can glitch
: a ragdoll through part of Burial Grounds and the body will show up, as
: huge, in the sky! So, to generate the skybox some textures are being
: sourced in realtime and then thrown up as a sky. What's suprising then is
: that no campaign or MP maps I can think of take advantage of this fact by
: putting geometry in the skybox to make things pop a little more, instead
: of looking all flat (and still pretty!) like they do now.

OK, I see what you're saying. I have seen this on Half-Life 2. The Citadel is a miniature model loaded into another coordinate of gamespace and is somehow 'projected' in the right area of sky and looks to be the colossal building several blocks distant. I wasn't aware that had been done with Halo 2.

The most perplexing map for me to try to figure out is the High Charity ones. The inner area of High Charity with the Dreadnought at the center always looks from the player's perspective to be like you're near one wall while the Dreadnought and the far wall are more distant. I haven't figured out how they've done that one yet.

I have heard of the magnified corpse in the sky before, but outside of a youtube vid, haven't seen that myself.

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     There isn't RTR? *NM*DHalo 12/13/09 4:30 p.m.
           Re: There isn't RTR? What is RTR? *NM*T51b 12/13/09 4:34 p.m.
           Re: There isn't RTR?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 12/13/09 6:15 p.m.
                 Re: There isn't RTR?DHalo 12/13/09 6:26 p.m.
                       Re: There isn't RTR?Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 12/13/09 6:30 p.m.
                       Re: There isn't RTR?FyreWulff 12/13/09 6:44 p.m.
     Re: My technical disection of the Reach trailerT51b 12/13/09 4:34 p.m.
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