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Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*
Posted By: sharpsniper99Date: 11/7/09 7:56 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP* (scarab)


: I've just seen it. It was bad.

: OK, it was a story about a character learning a life lesson, or a character
: growing. We say we like these things and that this is what we want from
: our stories.

: But the character's starting point was so unbelievable.

: Armies recruit youths, all soldiers start young. but they are expected to
: either demonstrate some innate maturity from the start or grow up quick in
: basic training.

: Are we to believe that ODSTs are boys? Almost prepubescent, gamine, pretty
: boys? Petulant, incompetent and unprofessional?

: That may describe some of the people on xbox live who play the part of ODSTs
: online. It may be scarily accurate, but who actually expects or wants
: ODSTs to look and act like that 'in real life'?

: We expect them to be battle hardened, mature, toughened, and competent!

: This was typical anime fare, the sort of stuff that people were afraid they'd
: see in Halo legends once they heard that the vids were anime.

: What is the target audience? is it non-gamers? Is it children? (Even as a
: child I remember being insulted and feeling patronized when it was assumed
: that children like childish fare.)

: A pivotal part of the story has a Spartan sacrifice herself to save an ODST.
: I think that this was the same incompetent that she had already saved 2 0r
: 3 times before. It was almost certain that she would be killed by putting
: herself in the way of that hammer strike.

: But its not only that: she was the lead sniper in a team sent to kill a
: Prophet. There was a very small window of opportunity to take out the
: target and she 'had him in her sights' at the time.

: There is no way that she would have sacrificed herself and the mission to
: save one ODST, especially an incompetent who had been nothing but a
: liability during the rest of the mission.

: This was just an example of 'not how real people behave' that plagues most
: bad fiction.

: But its worse! No gamer would ever sacrifice himself to save an NPC. You
: would put yourself in the line of fire only if you were doing an escort
: mission because you want to avoid a trip back to the loading screen.
: Otherwise you shoot the Prophet and finish the level.

: Can we have a show of hands? Is there anyone here who has never killed a
: marine for any of these reasons: to get ammo? to get a better weapon? to
: stop him doing something stupid? because his dialog was irritating?

: I've done the lot.

: Frankie, don't forget that this is Halo fiction. Your core audience are
: gamers. No real person would sacrifice the mission to save a minor team
: member, no gamer would sacrifice the mission for an NPC, no Spartan would
: sacrifice the mission for any reason.

: That story was a bit of an insult.

: Helljumpers are not gamine boys, Spartans are serious soldiers.

: moving on... Look at the main character's hair. UGH!

: Frankie are you too much in awe of these animators? If they said that hair
: styles are non-negotiable could you not have asked them to remember that
: you are paying the bills? Are you too worried about sensitive oriental
: sensibilities? or did you think that it doesn't matter?

: I could live with the hair, accept it as a limitation of the medium but its
: the attitude towards the characters and the situation that goes along with
: the hair that gets me.

: Maybe you didn't want to rock the boat, maybe its better to be politically
: astute and give them their way to keep them happy. Maybe its the fans' job
: to say if they are unhappy with the hair (and what it signifies).

: OK...

: I'm a Halo fan: I'm not happy with the hair and what it signifies.

Well personally I really liked it, the story was really good in my opinion and thats what matters most, art style is something that im not too worried about as you can pretty much fill in the blanks yourself. Its the storys I like to see, and this was a REALLY good story based on the conflict between odsts and spartans


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Everything I've Come to ExpectCody Moore 11/7/09 1:54 a.m.
     Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectFrankie 11/7/09 2:25 a.m.
           Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectJayshum 11/7/09 4:04 a.m.
                 Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*scarab 11/7/09 7:43 a.m.
                       Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*sharpsniper99 11/7/09 7:56 a.m.
                             Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*scarab 11/7/09 8:51 a.m.
                                   Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Louis Wu 11/7/09 9:06 a.m.
                                         Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain *NM*Ibeechu 11/7/09 9:08 a.m.
                                         Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*scarab 11/7/09 10:17 a.m.
                                               Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Bry 11/7/09 10:53 a.m.
                                                     Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*scarab 11/7/09 11:05 a.m.
                                                           Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Hikaru-119 11/7/09 11:13 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Jillybean 11/7/09 11:20 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Hikaru-119 11/7/09 11:23 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*General Vagueness 11/7/09 11:30 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*SonofMacPhisto 11/7/09 11:35 a.m.
                                                                                   Yes, let's not actually listen to why I said thatHikaru-119 11/7/09 12:22 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Yes, let's not actually listen to why I said tGeneral Vagueness 11/7/09 12:47 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Bry 11/7/09 11:26 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Pete Cooper 11/7/09 11:29 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Jillybean 11/7/09 11:41 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Pete Cooper 11/7/09 11:45 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Bry 11/7/09 11:51 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Pete Cooper 11/7/09 11:54 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Bry 11/7/09 12:00 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Frankie 11/7/09 12:12 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Jillybean 11/8/09 1:31 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*SonofMacPhisto 11/8/09 7:37 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*slurpeekilla 11/7/09 11:42 a.m.
                                                           Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Bry 11/7/09 11:22 a.m.
                                                           Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*crzymnky069 11/7/09 3:31 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Ragashingo 11/7/09 5:06 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*crzymnky069 11/7/09 5:16 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*General Vagueness 11/7/09 5:22 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*crzymnky069 11/7/09 5:36 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Ragashingo 11/7/09 6:05 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Leisandir 11/8/09 9:01 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*scarab 11/8/09 3:31 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Bry 11/8/09 5:51 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*scarab 11/8/09 12:07 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Bry 11/8/09 12:23 p.m.
                                         Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*AngelicLionheart 11/7/09 12:31 p.m.
                                               Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Ragashingo 11/7/09 5:11 p.m.
                                   Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*ManKitten 11/7/09 9:19 a.m.
                       Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*ArteenEsben 11/7/09 8:05 a.m.
                             Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*scarab 11/7/09 8:17 a.m.
                                   Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Hikaru-119 11/7/09 11:16 a.m.
                                   Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*ArteenEsben 11/7/09 2:04 p.m.
                       Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Metalingus627 11/7/09 10:23 a.m.
                             Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*scarab 11/7/09 10:57 a.m.
                       Raises hand higher than physically possibleHikaru-119 11/7/09 11:05 a.m.
                 Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectGeneral Vagueness 11/7/09 10:29 a.m.
           Ignore these snotlings FrankieHikaru-119 11/7/09 11:07 a.m.
                 Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieFrankie 11/7/09 12:03 p.m.
                       Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieMetalingus627 11/7/09 12:26 p.m.
                             Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieBry 11/7/09 12:33 p.m.
                                   Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/7/09 1:24 p.m.
                                         Nomination of LoftusAngelicLionheart 11/7/09 1:40 p.m.
                                               Re: Nomination of LoftusAvateur 11/7/09 1:45 p.m.
                                         Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieBry 11/7/09 1:43 p.m.
                                               Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieFrankie 11/7/09 1:51 p.m.
                                                     Re: Ignore these snotlings Frankiescarab 11/8/09 3:40 a.m.
                                         Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieSPARTAN-034 11/7/09 1:55 p.m.
                                               Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/7/09 3:51 p.m.
                                                     Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieBry 11/7/09 4:40 p.m.
                                                           Re: Ignore these snotlings Frankiescarab 11/8/09 3:57 a.m.
                                                     Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieSPARTAN-034 11/8/09 12:12 a.m.
                                                           Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/8/09 7:16 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankiePete Cooper 11/8/09 8:16 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieBry 11/8/09 9:02 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieSPARTAN-034 11/8/09 9:09 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/8/09 10:02 a.m.
                                         Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieRagashingo 11/7/09 5:23 p.m.
                                               Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/7/09 7:13 p.m.
                                                     Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieInnerRayg 11/8/09 8:38 p.m.
     Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectWildcard Tim 11/7/09 10:21 a.m.
           Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectMetalingus627 11/7/09 10:26 a.m.
     Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectMetalingus627 11/7/09 10:31 a.m.
           Re: Everything I've Come to Expectslurpeekilla 11/7/09 10:38 a.m.
                 Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectBry 11/7/09 11:11 a.m.
                       Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectLouis Wu 11/7/09 11:16 a.m.
                             Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectBry 11/7/09 11:34 a.m.
                                   Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectLouis Wu 11/7/09 11:57 a.m.
                                         Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectBry 11/7/09 12:09 p.m.
                                         Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectCody Moore 11/7/09 12:11 p.m.
                                   Awful :(Tighclops 11/7/09 6:49 p.m.
     MehSlothboy 11/7/09 4:00 p.m.
           Re: MehGeneral Vagueness 11/7/09 4:15 p.m.
     Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectGeneral Vagueness 11/7/09 9:18 p.m.
           Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectGeneral Vagueness 11/7/09 9:26 p.m.



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