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Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*
Posted By: scarabDate: 11/7/09 7:43 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Everything I've Come to Expect (Jayshum)


: I'm the guy who Frankie previously quoted and remarked something about
: martini tears, so here's my opinions!

: Firstly, on these being shown free for a day, smart move, got me watching. I
: love Halo mainly for its story, and even though this 'animation' had very
: little of it, due to it being free, I won't complain about this being
: forced down our throats.

: Secondly, it was everything I expected it to be (truly awful). May I ask
: though Frankie, considering that some of the other ones in the series look
: quite good (the CG one, casio?), why did you/343 decide to make nearly all
: the rest 'childish' (the Asian guy who's with you in the preview video
: said something along those lines), as in looking like Pokemon/Dragon Ball
: Z, when the game/series is generally M-rated? I also hated the character
: of O'Brien. These are meant to be ODST's, hard nuts, on par perhaps with
: the John McAleese's of today? So why the hell did that character (exist!)
: have 'wavy-groovy' hair, shout as loud as he could when on the op, and act
: like a teen suffering from hormonal problems?
: I've asked some friends who are into Anime (unlike me), especially one guy
: who goes by the name 'Shai Hulud' on Bnet, and he too is baffled at why
: this style has been chosen over some used in the Animatrix for example?

: Overall though, a solid 2/10 from me. I dislike Anime, and I thought the
: characters were terrible, but loved the revelation of the mysterious
: structures on that planet (that you say aren't Human or Covenant, and that
: might not be Forerunner?). So yeah, I'm afraid you'll be thirsty for a
: good while yet.... unless you include tears that come as result of how
: cool the new BR looks in Reach, and how excited them leaked screens got me
: the other day?!

I've just seen it. It was bad.

OK, it was a story about a character learning a life lesson, or a character growing. We say we like these things and that this is what we want from our stories.

But the character's starting point was so unbelievable.

Armies recruit youths, all soldiers start young. but they are expected to either demonstrate some innate maturity from the start or grow up quick in basic training.

Are we to believe that ODSTs are boys? Almost prepubescent, gamine, pretty boys? Petulant, incompetent and unprofessional?

That may describe some of the people on xbox live who play the part of ODSTs online. It may be scarily accurate, but who actually expects or wants ODSTs to look and act like that 'in real life'?

We expect them to be battle hardened, mature, toughened, and competent!

This was typical anime fare, the sort of stuff that people were afraid they'd see in Halo legends once they heard that the vids were anime.

What is the target audience? is it non-gamers? Is it children? (Even as a child I remember being insulted and feeling patronized when it was assumed that children like childish fare.)

A pivotal part of the story has a Spartan sacrifice herself to save an ODST. I think that this was the same incompetent that she had already saved 2 0r 3 times before. It was almost certain that she would be killed by putting herself in the way of that hammer strike.

But its not only that: she was the lead sniper in a team sent to kill a Prophet. There was a very small window of opportunity to take out the target and she 'had him in her sights' at the time.

There is no way that she would have sacrificed herself and the mission to save one ODST, especially an incompetent who had been nothing but a liability during the rest of the mission.

This was just an example of 'not how real people behave' that plagues most bad fiction.

But its worse! No gamer would ever sacrifice himself to save an NPC. You would put yourself in the line of fire only if you were doing an escort mission because you want to avoid a trip back to the loading screen. Otherwise you shoot the Prophet and finish the level.

Can we have a show of hands? Is there anyone here who has never killed a marine for any of these reasons: to get ammo? to get a better weapon? to stop him doing something stupid? because his dialog was irritating?

I've done the lot.

Frankie, don't forget that this is Halo fiction. Your core audience are gamers. No real person would sacrifice the mission to save a minor team member, no gamer would sacrifice the mission for an NPC, no Spartan would sacrifice the mission for any reason.

That story was a bit of an insult.

Helljumpers are not gamine boys, Spartans are serious soldiers.

moving on... Look at the main character's hair. UGH!

Frankie are you too much in awe of these animators? If they said that hair styles are non-negotiable could you not have asked them to remember that you are paying the bills? Are you too worried about sensitive oriental sensibilities? or did you think that it doesn't matter?

I could live with the hair, accept it as a limitation of the medium but its the attitude towards the characters and the situation that goes along with the hair that gets me.

Maybe you didn't want to rock the boat, maybe its better to be politically astute and give them their way to keep them happy. Maybe its the fans' job to say if they are unhappy with the hair (and what it signifies).

OK...

I'm a Halo fan: I'm not happy with the hair and what it signifies.


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Everything I've Come to ExpectCody Moore 11/7/09 1:54 a.m.
     Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectFrankie 11/7/09 2:25 a.m.
           Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectJayshum 11/7/09 4:04 a.m.
                 Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*scarab 11/7/09 7:43 a.m.
                       Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*sharpsniper99 11/7/09 7:56 a.m.
                             Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*scarab 11/7/09 8:51 a.m.
                                   Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Louis Wu 11/7/09 9:06 a.m.
                                         Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain *NM*Ibeechu 11/7/09 9:08 a.m.
                                         Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*scarab 11/7/09 10:17 a.m.
                                               Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Bry 11/7/09 10:53 a.m.
                                                     Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*scarab 11/7/09 11:05 a.m.
                                                           Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Hikaru-119 11/7/09 11:13 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Jillybean 11/7/09 11:20 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Hikaru-119 11/7/09 11:23 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*General Vagueness 11/7/09 11:30 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*SonofMacPhisto 11/7/09 11:35 a.m.
                                                                                   Yes, let's not actually listen to why I said thatHikaru-119 11/7/09 12:22 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Yes, let's not actually listen to why I said tGeneral Vagueness 11/7/09 12:47 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Bry 11/7/09 11:26 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Pete Cooper 11/7/09 11:29 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Jillybean 11/7/09 11:41 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Pete Cooper 11/7/09 11:45 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Bry 11/7/09 11:51 a.m.
                                                                                               Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Pete Cooper 11/7/09 11:54 a.m.
                                                                                                     Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Bry 11/7/09 12:00 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Frankie 11/7/09 12:12 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Jillybean 11/8/09 1:31 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*SonofMacPhisto 11/8/09 7:37 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*slurpeekilla 11/7/09 11:42 a.m.
                                                           Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Bry 11/7/09 11:22 a.m.
                                                           Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*crzymnky069 11/7/09 3:31 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Ragashingo 11/7/09 5:06 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*crzymnky069 11/7/09 5:16 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*General Vagueness 11/7/09 5:22 p.m.
                                                                                   Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*crzymnky069 11/7/09 5:36 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Ragashingo 11/7/09 6:05 p.m.
                                                                                         Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Leisandir 11/8/09 9:01 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*scarab 11/8/09 3:31 a.m.
                                                                                   Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Bry 11/8/09 5:51 a.m.
                                                                                         Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*scarab 11/8/09 12:07 p.m.
                                                                                               Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Bry 11/8/09 12:23 p.m.
                                         Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*AngelicLionheart 11/7/09 12:31 p.m.
                                               Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Ragashingo 11/7/09 5:11 p.m.
                                   Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*ManKitten 11/7/09 9:19 a.m.
                       Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*ArteenEsben 11/7/09 8:05 a.m.
                             Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*scarab 11/7/09 8:17 a.m.
                                   Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Hikaru-119 11/7/09 11:16 a.m.
                                   Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*ArteenEsben 11/7/09 2:04 p.m.
                       Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*Metalingus627 11/7/09 10:23 a.m.
                             Re: Everything I've Come to Expect *SP*scarab 11/7/09 10:57 a.m.
                       Raises hand higher than physically possibleHikaru-119 11/7/09 11:05 a.m.
                 Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectGeneral Vagueness 11/7/09 10:29 a.m.
           Ignore these snotlings FrankieHikaru-119 11/7/09 11:07 a.m.
                 Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieFrankie 11/7/09 12:03 p.m.
                       Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieMetalingus627 11/7/09 12:26 p.m.
                             Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieBry 11/7/09 12:33 p.m.
                                   Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/7/09 1:24 p.m.
                                         Nomination of LoftusAngelicLionheart 11/7/09 1:40 p.m.
                                               Re: Nomination of LoftusAvateur 11/7/09 1:45 p.m.
                                         Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieBry 11/7/09 1:43 p.m.
                                               Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieFrankie 11/7/09 1:51 p.m.
                                                     Re: Ignore these snotlings Frankiescarab 11/8/09 3:40 a.m.
                                         Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieSPARTAN-034 11/7/09 1:55 p.m.
                                               Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/7/09 3:51 p.m.
                                                     Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieBry 11/7/09 4:40 p.m.
                                                           Re: Ignore these snotlings Frankiescarab 11/8/09 3:57 a.m.
                                                     Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieSPARTAN-034 11/8/09 12:12 a.m.
                                                           Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/8/09 7:16 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankiePete Cooper 11/8/09 8:16 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieBry 11/8/09 9:02 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieSPARTAN-034 11/8/09 9:09 a.m.
                                                                       Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/8/09 10:02 a.m.
                                         Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieRagashingo 11/7/09 5:23 p.m.
                                               Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieStephen L. (SoundEffect) 11/7/09 7:13 p.m.
                                                     Re: Ignore these snotlings FrankieInnerRayg 11/8/09 8:38 p.m.
     Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectWildcard Tim 11/7/09 10:21 a.m.
           Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectMetalingus627 11/7/09 10:26 a.m.
     Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectMetalingus627 11/7/09 10:31 a.m.
           Re: Everything I've Come to Expectslurpeekilla 11/7/09 10:38 a.m.
                 Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectBry 11/7/09 11:11 a.m.
                       Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectLouis Wu 11/7/09 11:16 a.m.
                             Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectBry 11/7/09 11:34 a.m.
                                   Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectLouis Wu 11/7/09 11:57 a.m.
                                         Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectBry 11/7/09 12:09 p.m.
                                         Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectCody Moore 11/7/09 12:11 p.m.
                                   Awful :(Tighclops 11/7/09 6:49 p.m.
     MehSlothboy 11/7/09 4:00 p.m.
           Re: MehGeneral Vagueness 11/7/09 4:15 p.m.
     Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectGeneral Vagueness 11/7/09 9:18 p.m.
           Re: Everything I've Come to ExpectGeneral Vagueness 11/7/09 9:26 p.m.



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