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Posted By: Hawaiian Pig	Date: 10/13/09 9:45 p.m.
In Response To: Brutes > Elites (Riceatron) : When a game is meant to be played on Heroic and not Normal or Easy, then : having an Enemy who is practically a Bullet Sponge and uses Melee : constantly is a great challenge for the player. No its not. Bullet sponges are boring and very easy to deal with. You shoot and you keep shooting until it dies; there is little else in terms of strategy. : And for story reasons, why couldn't we have Brutes? : Or Drones for that matter. : We HAVE an explanation for Drones. : They were ENGINEERS : Exactly like the Huragok, but for where Huragok was for the software and : computers of the Covenant, the Yanme'e was used for Hardware, the building : and constructing of ships and defenses. This is literally the frist time I've ever heard that. I think it's unfair that I have to go searching for explanations to something that seems so forced and out of place. : We never saw them in battle because they weren't a species USED FOR BATTLE. Maybe if they actually made that clear in Halo 2 or even in Halo 3 I'd be ok, but literally nothing about them tells me this. : Brutes, I mean, look at them. : They're BRUTES. : They're Giant Wolf Monkeys : You say they can't be as good as elites, that they act stereotypically evil, : and are no fun to fight. : Who are you kidding? : Get over it. : We haven't fought Elites since 2004 when Halo 2 came out, and ever since : you've all been complaining about how everything new is shoehorned in. : For the Covenant. This isn't an argument, this is you bitching just the same as the rest of us, except without an argument. : I have not seen once someone ask why we suddenly have all these new weapons : being made during the sequels, or why Bungie can't stay consistent with : their portrayal of Humanity at all, from changing great designs of cities : which look like they fit in the Halo universe, to stuff like what we have : in New Mombasa, which is basically just every building we ALREADY have, : pasted together, and slapped with fictional corporate logos. Or the design : of Human armor. From awesome Aliens inspired armor, which Inspired the : whole of the Halo universe, to craptastic armor in Halo 2, to Great but : not as good as the giant hunks of brown steel in Halo CE. All of this has been complained about, but nothing is more glaring than the enemies you're fighting. Explaining a new gun is simple, technology advances, new tech becomes available to you, sure. Explaining a new enemy is also simple, however hardly any explanation was offered at all. Coupled with the fact that both enemies are boring staples of FPS (bullet sponges and fast annoying pieces of shit), helps make them a point of complaint among the scores of inconsistencies that we let slide. : At least the enemy has stayed consistent and evil, hm? As boring stock characters. Nice and consistent. (Then again, Halo's character's in general are kind of lacking) : I love Brutes. : And I'm sure most of you would too if you stop thinking Bungie wronged you in : some way by introducing a new species. : Brutes are more fun to fight than Elites. : They really are. Your opinion is wrong. : But they need to be Bullet Sponges as well as Shielded Enemies. : How they are in 3 and ODST needs to go. : An EMP + Headshot is too easy a way to kill an enemy. : I want someone I have to run away from, like I do Hammerbrutes. Or Halo 1 Elites? Recharging shields makes for a much more formidable opponent than the ho-hum overcharge-and-forget gameplay involved with the brute. with a room full of brutes you need only worry about taking out shields, after that the brutes turn into retard-mode and are a joke. Headshot, spray or forget about them, taking out shields is all you need to worry about. Now if you did manage to take out the shields on an Elite, you better make damn sure you finish it off, otherwise it's back to full fighting capacity in a few minutes; now that's dangerous and exciting. : As for Story reasons why I love them. : Just look at them. : Imagine how they lived. : Compare them to Chimps, which are mighty vicious creatures known to : cannibalize on fallen foes. : Imagine a pack of Jiralhanae climbing into the tall trees of Doisac, wielding : their hammers and knives and whatever brute designed weapons they have. : Imagine a Chieftain of this particular clan yelling from the back in his : native grunts and language to attack an unsuspecting clan. : Think of how Native Americans attacked unsuspecting Colonial Pioneers during : the early days of America, jumping from trees with their hatches and war : cries. : Imagine a large pack of these Brutes, jumping from high trees and landing on : this unknowing community, killing all who oppose them, and stealing their : females and children. : Now, Imagine such a being being confronted with The Covenant, seeing more : species, learning of these new gods which overtook their own. : Imagine their role in this new place, this place of High Charity, and aboard : Ships. All of that would be nice if it was better explained and introduced. My issue is not with their character (as much... I still think they're very boring characters, but so are a lot of Halo species), but with their introduction to the fiction. Cortana: "Look out! It's a Brute" A what? Why? Where did this come from? Oh that's ok, just go ahead and never answer that at all throughout the entire series. Just go ahead and force me to accept it or buy your books. : Think of them in the same way one thinks of the Lekgolo. : Bouncers. : Where the Hunters are deployed as mobile turrets, the Brutes were deployed : like hired barbarians. : They could take more damage than the rest, and when they needed Hunters to : stay back and fire their cannons, these Brutes would be in front, tearing : down emplacements and clearing a path for the much more noble Elites, who : would prefer not to do the 'dishonorable' work that the Brutes were more : than capable of. : Imagine the tensions. : How the Elites, all high in their ego, look down on them as filthy animals, : and how the Brutes look as them as arrogant and egotistic in their ways. : The Brutes would be bottom tier compared to the Grunts in the eyes of the : Sangheili, as the Grunts would be more useful in a group. Look at those : who stayed with the Covenant. : The Drones, who only stayed due to their Queen being in the Covenants care, : many of the Hunters, who may not have had any opinion of the war, but : enjoyed having their colonies taken care of, and the Jackals, who I : suspect the Brutes were very close to, both being very vicious creatures : looked down upon by the rest, even the Unggoy. : I can see Brutes and Jackals hanging out, discussing how they like to tear : into their enemies during a battle with their claws, and teeth. : Think of their religion. : Gods of War and Destruction. Kindly Gods for those who stay at Home. : Gods wielding Hammers and Axes and Spike weapons. : What would their stories be? : Would they be told around a fire? Or to their growing young at night? : How were they raised? : Can we compare them to primates again? Those who care for young, and are : gentle to their family, but vicious to enemies? : Anyway : The point I was trying to make is that Brutes are awesome. Nope.

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Message Index

Brutes > Elites	Riceatron	10/13/09 7:38 p.m.
Re: Brutes > Elites	Gordon Freeman	10/13/09 7:50 p.m.
Re: Elites > Brutes for Reach. Wort Wort Wort! *NM*	rhubarb	10/13/09 7:51 p.m.
No.	gunluva	10/13/09 7:51 p.m.
Dinosaurs > Mammals	Metalingus627	10/13/09 7:58 p.m.
Re: Dinosaurs > Mammals	Ibeechu	10/13/09 8:02 p.m.
Jackals = Dinosaurs, Elites = Snakemansharks *NM*	Riceatron	10/13/09 8:10 p.m.
Re: Jackals = Dinosaurs, Elites = Snakemansharks	Lincoln	10/13/09 8:15 p.m.
Re: Dinosaurs > Mammals	Bry	10/14/09 4:41 a.m.
Brutes = Elites	free	10/13/09 8:24 p.m.
Re: Brutes > Elites	FyreWulff	10/13/09 8:53 p.m.
Re: Brutes > Elites	scarab	10/14/09 7:41 a.m.
We need more characters to represent the races.	Leviathan	10/13/09 9:32 p.m.
Is this a poem...?	stan	10/13/09 9:41 p.m.
Nope.	Hawaiian Pig	10/13/09 9:45 p.m.
Completely agree	Avateur	10/13/09 9:54 p.m.
Re: Completely agree	Riceatron	10/13/09 10:05 p.m.
Re: Completely agree	Avateur	10/13/09 10:20 p.m.
Re: Completely agree	Riceatron	10/13/09 10:26 p.m.
Re: Completely agree	scarab	10/14/09 8:27 a.m.
Re: Completely agree	The More Deluded	10/14/09 1:06 p.m.
Re: Completely agree	free	10/14/09 8:00 p.m.
Re: Completely agree	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	10/14/09 8:41 p.m.
Re: Completely agree	free	10/14/09 10:55 p.m.
Re: Completely agree	SonofMacPhisto	10/13/09 10:25 p.m.
Re: Completely agree	ArteenEsben	10/14/09 12:05 a.m.
Re: Completely agree	SonofMacPhisto	10/14/09 10:28 a.m.
The Truth	pete_the_duck	10/14/09 6:08 a.m.
Re: The Truth	scarab	10/14/09 9:12 a.m.
Great post *NM*	SonofMacPhisto	10/14/09 10:24 a.m.
Thanks :-) *NM*	scarab	10/14/09 11:41 a.m.
Re: The Truth	Bry	10/14/09 11:49 a.m.
Re: The Truth	Avateur	10/14/09 12:11 p.m.
Peopleness	Rockslider	10/14/09 6:31 p.m.
Re: Peopleness	scarab	10/15/09 3:28 a.m.
Re: The Truth	Hawaiian Pig	10/14/09 2:18 p.m.
Re: The Truth	Gravemind	10/15/09 7:51 p.m.
Re: The Truth	General Vagueness	10/16/09 12:14 a.m.
Re: Nope.	General Vagueness	10/13/09 10:14 p.m.
Re: Nope.	Hawaiian Pig	10/13/09 10:23 p.m.
Re: Nope.	jazo	10/13/09 10:53 p.m.
Re: Nope.	The More Deluded	10/14/09 1:20 p.m.
Re: Nope.	Bry	10/14/09 4:45 a.m.
Re: Nope.	General Vagueness	10/14/09 9:20 a.m.
Re: Nope.	Bry	10/14/09 10:25 a.m.
Re: Nope.	General Vagueness	10/14/09 11:26 a.m.
Slight rabbit trail for you guys... :)	SonofMacPhisto	10/14/09 11:34 a.m.
Re: Slight rabbit trail for you guys... :)	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	10/14/09 3:53 p.m.
Re: Slight rabbit trail for you guys... :)	Louis Wu	10/14/09 3:55 p.m.
Re: Slight rabbit trail for you guys... :)	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	10/14/09 4:06 p.m.
Re: Slight rabbit trail for you guys... :)	Louis Wu	10/14/09 4:08 p.m.
Re: Slight rabbit trail for you guys... :)	Bry	10/14/09 4:10 p.m.
Re: Slight rabbit trail for you guys... :)	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	10/14/09 4:14 p.m.
Re: Slight rabbit trail for you guys... :)	Bry	10/14/09 5:07 p.m.
Re: Nope.	Bry	10/14/09 11:36 a.m.
Re: Nope.	General Vagueness	10/14/09 3:02 p.m.
Re: Nope.	Bry	10/14/09 3:33 p.m.
Re: Nope.	Metalingus627	10/14/09 4:16 p.m.
Re: Nope.	Metalingus627	10/14/09 4:25 p.m.
Re: Nope.	Bry	10/14/09 4:55 p.m.
Re: Nope.	Stephen L. (SoundEffect)	10/14/09 4:26 p.m.
Re: Nope.	General Vagueness	10/15/09 7:38 p.m.
Re: Nope.	Bry	10/16/09 4:15 a.m.
Re: Nope.	General Vagueness	10/16/09 8:43 a.m.
Brutes and Elites are both great	ArteenEsben	10/13/09 9:49 p.m.
Re: Brutes and Elites are both great	T07WRX5	10/14/09 9:02 a.m.
Re: Brutes and Elites are both great	ArteenEsben	10/14/09 11:33 a.m.
Re: Brutes and Elites are both great	Bry	10/14/09 11:54 a.m.
but brutes are so easy...	Hunt3r	10/13/09 10:52 p.m.
Re: but brutes are so easy...	The More Deluded	10/14/09 1:34 p.m.
Go back and play Halo 1	jazo	10/13/09 11:08 p.m.
Re: Go back and play Halo 1	SonofMacPhisto	10/14/09 8:09 a.m.
Re: Go back and play Halo 1	The More Deluded	10/15/09 2:13 p.m.
Oh please.	Riceatron	10/15/09 3:16 p.m.
Re: Oh please.	Hawaiian Pig	10/15/09 3:31 p.m.
Re: Oh please.	Riceatron	10/15/09 3:40 p.m.
Looking more like a troll everytime I come back... *NM*	The More Deluded	10/15/09 7:02 p.m.
lol i trol u wid mah 1337 leterz	Riceatron	10/15/09 7:14 p.m.
Michael Wincott > Ricatron	THe BS Police	10/15/09 11:46 p.m.
Re: Oh please.	Bry	10/15/09 3:59 p.m.
Re: Go back and play Halo 1	FyreWulff	10/15/09 8:04 p.m.
Elites > H2 Brutes > H3 Brutes	The BS Police	10/13/09 11:37 p.m.
Re: Brutes > Elites	Rockslider	10/14/09 5:19 p.m.
Re: Brutes > Elites	The BS Police	10/15/09 1:57 p.m.