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Re: Ars Technica pans ODST
Posted By: Narcogen <>Date: 9/21/09 5:03 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Ars Technica pans ODST (Cody Miller)

: This same person reviewed Halo 2 for Arstechnica and liked it, so you're not
: correct.

: Why does everyone cry foul when more and more publications are not praising
: ODST? Maybe, just maybe, it just really is not that great a game. That's
: possible, just like it's possible for Marty to make bad music.

: This isn't the golden days of Bungie when they could do no wrong.

You mean, like back when they took fire and ambient life out of Myth?

Or when they ported Marathon 2 to Windows and the mouse controls didn't work?

You mean, those times when Bungie could do no wrong?

Or maybe it was the time when Bungie created a great multiplayer game that was marred only by a single weapon so powerful you'd be crazy to ever drop it, but that lacked Internet multiplayer?

Or the time they added online multiplayer to that game, but took out everyone's favorite weapon?

Those times when Bungie could do no wrong?

I think it'd be incorrect to assume that there's been some kind of sea change here, or that if there has been one, that it occurs between Halo 3 and ODST.

I think the more likelier trends at work here are, in no particular order:

1) No matter how popular a company is, nobody likes everything they do
2) At some point things become so popular the only way to be heard when talking about it is to be negative
3) ODST was initially described as something akin to an expansion that would be "value priced" and is now a full price item.

Certainly I think some outlets might still have concluded that the value in the box of ODST isn't quite what it was for the previous titles, but I think it'd be far fewer if it had been priced that way from the start.

Frankly I think there's some value in getting something out the door in less than three years. If they could put out something like ODST every year for that price, I might wince a bit but I'd probably do it. A short campaign, a new multiplayer mode, a few new maps, perhaps a new weapon or two and a vehicle, in 12 months... I'd go for that.

Heck, that'd be close to being episodic. Like Half-Life 2 was supposed to be before it turned out each episode took as long to make as the original game (which is about as long as it takes to make a full Halo title anyway).

One last word on that review:

"I've since gone back to play the game again on Heroic difficulty in single-player, and I can see where the six-hour playthrough times are coming from."

He went back to play on Heroic. Meaning the first playthrough, the one he said you could finish "on your lunch hour" was on Normal.

He's going to chastise Bungie for the hub and spoke model as being "filler" because Halo fans "don't want to explore an empty city" and then plays a new title on Normal? I'm not sure he knows what Halo fans want. I count myself a Halo fan, and what I love more than anything are the worlds Bungie creates. I want to spend more time in them, not rush through as fast as I can. And I don't start out on Normal. If I start out on Heroic it's because I know I suck. Reviewers seem to play games on lower difficulties so they can breeze through and finish the game to write a review, and then blame the game for being short. It's a self-fulfilling property. Maybe Bungie ought to send out special reviewer copies locked to Heroic or above.

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Ars Technica pans ODSTJordan117 9/21/09 12:36 a.m.
     Re: Ars Technica pans ODSTPsychoRaven 9/21/09 12:42 a.m.
           Re: Ars Technica pans ODSTHedgemony 9/21/09 12:47 a.m.
           SPOILER (not really)Lord Osiris 9/21/09 1:03 a.m.
                 Re: I'm right there with you *NM*Hedgemony 9/21/09 1:07 a.m.
           Re: Ars Technica pans ODSTCody Miller 9/21/09 2:11 a.m.
                 Re: Ars Technica pans ODSTPsychoRaven 9/21/09 2:56 a.m.
                       Re: Ars Technica pans ODST whoa, whoaHedgemony 9/21/09 3:03 a.m.
                             You're rightPsychoRaven 9/21/09 3:07 a.m.
                                   Ugh I'm calling it.PsychoRaven 9/21/09 3:09 a.m.
                                         Re: Ugh I'm calling it.Hedgemony 9/21/09 4:56 a.m.
                 Sorry about the angry replyPsychoRaven 9/21/09 3:05 a.m.
                 Re: Ars Technica pans ODSTNarcogen 9/21/09 5:03 a.m.
                       Re: Ever the voice of reason, NarcogenHedgemony 9/21/09 5:50 a.m.
                       Re: Ars Technica pans ODSTBlackstar 9/21/09 5:52 a.m.
                             Stacker.Narcogen 9/22/09 2:55 a.m.
                       Re: Ars Technica pans ODSTrolandk73 9/21/09 6:20 a.m.
                       Re: Ars Technica pans ODSTPsychoRaven 9/21/09 11:01 a.m.
                       Re: Ars Technica pans ODSTCody Miller 9/21/09 12:18 p.m.
                       Blame Microsoft's Men in Black?kapowaz 9/21/09 7:03 p.m.
                       Saxaphone troubleRockslider 9/21/09 7:53 p.m.
                             Re: Saxaphone troubleNarcogen 9/22/09 3:00 a.m.
                             I hope I'm not the first to say this...stan 9/22/09 10:33 p.m.
                                   The only thing I don't like about it...Jordan117 9/22/09 10:50 p.m.
                                   Re: I hope I'm not the first to say this...Ibeechu 9/23/09 9:27 p.m.
                             Re: Saxaphone troubleFyreWulff 9/23/09 12:16 p.m.
                                   Re: Saxaphone troubleLouis Wu 9/23/09 12:25 p.m.
                                         Re: Saxaphone troubleNarcogen 9/23/09 11:50 p.m.
                                         Re: Saxaphone troubleFyreWulff 9/24/09 12:56 a.m.
                                               Re: Saxaphone troubleNarcogen 9/24/09 2:05 a.m.
                                   Re: Saxaphone troubleRockslider 9/23/09 5:13 p.m.
                                         Re: Saxaphone troubleBry 9/23/09 5:40 p.m.
                                         Re: Saxaphone troubleNarcogen 9/23/09 11:51 p.m.
                                         Re: Saxaphone troubleAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/25/09 11:08 a.m.
                                               Re: Saxaphone troubleRockslider 9/26/09 7:00 a.m.
     Re: Ars Technica pans ODSTRagashingo 9/21/09 12:51 a.m.
           Re: Ars Technica pans ODSTelectrojew 9/21/09 2:13 a.m.
     How odd...Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/21/09 10:51 a.m.
           Re: How odd...DogCow 9/22/09 10:38 a.m.

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