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Re: Post of Incorrect Logical Leaps
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>Date: 9/15/09 7:33 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Post of Incorrect Logical Leaps (Riceatron)


: But Bungie's real intention was for him to be a zealot, so deviousness wasn't
: the way to go.
: I honestly prefer Stamp over Wincott, but I do think Wincott has an amazing
: voice, but my view of Truth as someone who isn't the REAL threat in the
: Halo world fits better with Stamp

That's a good point, and I think one often overlooked.

Sometimes an actor simply "takes over" a character and makes it theirs in a way that the audience may like better than the authors intended. I think you're right, that's what happened with Truth.

Players already generally preferred fighting the Covenant over fighting the Flood (at least after H1) so the introduction of Wincott's Truth in H2 just played into that. He was so devious, he looked like the primary threat. I usually try and point out that the real enemy, always in Halo, is the Flood, not the Covenant, and I think that becomes apparent as the story plays to its conclusion.

The fly in the ointment is Wincott's Truth, whose velvet voice just sounds so slick and confident that it's hard to believe he's a zealot. We figure it's a sham-- that he knows what's going on and has some ace in his sleeve. So when Stamp comes on as the true believer and gets infected for his trouble, it's sort of a letdown, even if it does match better with Bungie's original intentions.

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                 The Civil War was also his construction *NM*Metalingus627 9/12/09 9:26 p.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingTDSpiral 9/12/09 9:26 p.m.
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                       ↑What he said.Gravemind 9/12/09 10:54 p.m.
                             Re: ↑What he said.Gravemind 9/12/09 10:56 p.m.
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                                   You forget the word HereticRiceatron 9/13/09 9:45 a.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRagashingo 9/13/09 11:05 a.m.
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                                                           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/14/09 7:39 a.m.
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                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/13/09 10:41 a.m.
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                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/14/09 4:11 a.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingMetalingus627 9/14/09 9:02 a.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingHikaru-119 9/14/09 12:54 p.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingThe BS Police 9/14/09 12:54 p.m.
     Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.Gravemind 9/12/09 10:14 p.m.
           Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.The BS Police 9/12/09 10:28 p.m.
           Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.Phoenix_9286 9/12/09 11:12 p.m.
           Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.scarab 9/13/09 10:26 a.m.
                 Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.Bry 9/13/09 10:57 a.m.
                       Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.Riceatron 9/13/09 11:05 a.m.
                             Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.Bry 9/13/09 11:23 a.m.
                                   Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.Riceatron 9/13/09 11:47 a.m.
     Luke wrote Halo 3, wtf?MasterChief2829 9/12/09 10:14 p.m.
           Re: Luke wrote Halo 3, wtf?The BS Police 9/12/09 10:23 p.m.
                 Re: Luke wrote Halo 3, wtf?Elessar787 9/12/09 10:33 p.m.
                       Truth should be Anthony HopkinsRiceatron 9/12/09 10:46 p.m.
                 Re: Luke wrote Halo 3, wtf?LoneRanger 2.5 9/12/09 11:02 p.m.
                 Re: Luke wrote Halo 3, wtf?mehve 9/15/09 4:40 p.m.
                       Confirmed: Rob and Luke hate how Halo 3 turned out *NM*Ibeechu 9/15/09 4:45 p.m.
                             ... *NM*mehve 9/15/09 6:26 p.m.
                                   Don't mind him.Louis Wu 9/15/09 7:07 p.m.
           Re: Luke wrote Halo 3, wtf?ArteenEsben 9/12/09 11:17 p.m.
     Prophet of I Don't Have To Keep Up The ImageRiceatron 9/12/09 11:50 p.m.
     Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRosco-128 9/13/09 12:16 a.m.
           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRiceatron 9/13/09 12:50 a.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingLoneRanger 2.5 9/13/09 2:51 a.m.
     Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott? *NM* *NM*Jayshum 9/13/09 8:39 a.m.
           Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?Ibeechu 9/13/09 11:21 a.m.
                 Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?Metalingus627 9/13/09 2:41 p.m.
                 Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?PriorMarcus 9/13/09 2:57 p.m.
                       "he accidentally had depth"Ibeechu 9/14/09 10:10 a.m.
                 Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?The BS Police 9/13/09 3:01 p.m.
                       Yes he was.Riceatron 9/13/09 3:10 p.m.
                             Re: No he wasn't.The BS Police 9/13/09 3:20 p.m.
                                   Re: No he wasn't.Bry 9/13/09 4:06 p.m.
                                   Sigh...Riceatron 9/13/09 5:52 p.m.
                                         Re: Sigh...General Vagueness 9/13/09 6:33 p.m.
                                         End of the dayBry 9/14/09 1:34 a.m.
                                               Re: End of the dayMetalingus627 9/14/09 2:32 a.m.
                                                     Re: End of the dayBry 9/14/09 2:49 a.m.
                                   Re: No he wasn't.Ragashingo 9/13/09 6:04 p.m.
                                   Re: No he wasn't.Narcogen 9/15/09 7:43 a.m.
                                         Re: No he wasn't.Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/15/09 5:51 p.m.
                                               Re: No he wasn't.Narcogen 9/17/09 12:09 a.m.
                             Re: Yes he was.Ragashingo 9/13/09 5:56 p.m.
                                   Re: Yes he was.The Loot 9/13/09 6:44 p.m.
                 Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?ThorsHammer 9/14/09 1:05 a.m.
                       Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?Ibeechu 9/14/09 10:17 a.m.
                             Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?ThorsHammer 9/14/09 12:11 p.m.
                                   Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?Louis Wu 9/14/09 12:17 p.m.
                                         Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?ThorsHammer 9/14/09 3:57 p.m.
     Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingPriorMarcus 9/13/09 9:14 a.m.
           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRiceatron 9/13/09 9:38 a.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBlueNinja 9/13/09 10:26 a.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/13/09 5:39 p.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBlueNinja 9/14/09 3:26 p.m.
           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice Actingscarab 9/13/09 10:44 a.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingPriorMarcus 9/13/09 12:25 p.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice Actingscarab 9/13/09 3:31 p.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/13/09 5:49 p.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingJ23 9/13/09 9:50 p.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingThe BS Police 9/13/09 11:18 p.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/14/09 12:15 a.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingHedgemony 9/14/09 12:49 a.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/14/09 2:03 a.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingMetalingus627 9/14/09 2:27 a.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingIbeechu 9/14/09 10:24 a.m.
     Re: Post of Incorrect Logical Leapsurk 9/14/09 1:03 p.m.
           Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsMatt 9/14/09 2:08 p.m.
                 Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsAvateur 9/14/09 2:11 p.m.
                       Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsRiceatron 9/14/09 2:14 p.m.
                             Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsAvateur 9/14/09 2:23 p.m.
                                   Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsMercury 9/14/09 4:55 p.m.
                                         Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsHikaru-119 9/14/09 5:01 p.m.
                                               Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsSonofMacPhisto 9/14/09 5:43 p.m.
                                   Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsRagashingo 9/14/09 5:22 p.m.
                       Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsThe BS Police 9/14/09 2:21 p.m.
                             Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsAvateur 9/14/09 2:23 p.m.
                                   Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsPriorMarcus 9/14/09 2:26 p.m.
                                         Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsAvateur 9/14/09 2:29 p.m.
                                               Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsThe BS Police 9/14/09 2:34 p.m.
                                   Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsThe BS Police 9/14/09 2:29 p.m.
                                         Neither of you are trolls, calm downIbeechu 9/14/09 2:34 p.m.
                                         Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsAvateur 9/14/09 2:35 p.m.
                                               Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsThe BS Police 9/14/09 2:39 p.m.
                                                     Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsMatt 9/15/09 1:29 a.m.
                                                           Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsLouis Wu 9/15/09 6:30 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsSep7imus [subnova] 9/15/09 6:42 p.m.
                                               Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsPriorMarcus 9/14/09 3:13 p.m.
                                                     Aren't you supposed to be in hiding, Avateur?Riceatron 9/14/09 3:19 p.m.
                                                           Re: Aren't you supposed to be in hiding, Avateur?Ibeechu 9/14/09 4:36 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Aren't you supposed to be in hiding, Avateur?Riceatron 9/14/09 6:15 p.m.
                             Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/14/09 3:24 p.m.
                 Re: Post of Incorrect Logical Leapsscarab 9/14/09 3:54 p.m.
           Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsBlueNinja 9/14/09 3:30 p.m.
                 Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsRiceatron 9/14/09 3:56 p.m.
                       Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsNarcogen 9/15/09 7:33 a.m.
                             Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsDHalo 9/15/09 6:08 p.m.
                                   Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsNarcogen 9/17/09 12:14 a.m.
           *Grumbles and goes back under his bridge*Metalingus627 9/14/09 3:53 p.m.
                 Re: *Grumbles and goes back under his bridge*ThorsHammer 9/14/09 4:04 p.m.
                       Re: *Grumbles and goes back under his bridge*Mercury 9/14/09 5:13 p.m.
                       Re: *Grumbles and goes back under his bridge*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/14/09 5:26 p.m.
     Are they done with that one thing in Halo: LegendsGeneral Vagueness 9/14/09 8:54 p.m.



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