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Re: Prophet of Bad Voice Acting
Posted By: Bry <bmulheran@gmail.com>Date: 9/14/09 1:47 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Prophet of Bad Voice Acting (Cody Miller)


: And to reply to bry: This is not entirely true, it was a business decision.
: Read the document of metal gear solid, and you'll see how Raiden was
: chosen since Kojima thought that he would attract female players and
: broaden the audience of MGS.

The design of Raiden had that in mind, but it wasn't the driving decision behind playing as someone other than Snake.
And there is little getting away that ousting Solid Snake was a pretty big risk in itself.

There is more than just the Document to go by, I also have the Making of MGS2 DVD video documentary that was exclusive to the European release of the original game where Kojima talks in person about how his goal was to provide a different approach to Snake, from the eyes of someone else looking up to him.
Solid Snake in MGS2 was intended to be to Raiden what Gray Fox was to Solid Snake in the earlier MG games and original MGS.
Or what the Boss was to Naked Snake in MGS3.
The uber NPC who was plainly just better than you.

With an underlying message that Solid Snake = Kojima and Raiden = the rest of the development team that would take over from him in continuing the MGS series if they chose to do so.

...Of course, a few death threats and such later, the idea that MGS2 would be the last MGS game from Kojima didn't quite work out...

== Ode to Joyous Flight HD ==



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Prophet of Bad Voice ActingThe BS Police 9/12/09 8:50 p.m.
     Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingTDSpiral 9/12/09 9:04 p.m.
           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingDHalo 9/12/09 9:18 p.m.
                 The Civil War was also his construction *NM*Metalingus627 9/12/09 9:26 p.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingTDSpiral 9/12/09 9:26 p.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingThe BS Police 9/12/09 10:26 p.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingDHalo 9/12/09 10:45 p.m.
                       ↑What he said.Gravemind 9/12/09 10:54 p.m.
                             Re: ↑What he said.Gravemind 9/12/09 10:56 p.m.
                             Re: ↑What he said.The BS Police 9/12/09 10:59 p.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRagashingo 9/13/09 1:38 a.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/13/09 2:49 a.m.
                                   You forget the word HereticRiceatron 9/13/09 9:45 a.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRagashingo 9/13/09 11:05 a.m.
                                         Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/13/09 11:33 a.m.
                                               Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRiceatron 9/13/09 11:42 a.m.
                                                     Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/13/09 11:50 a.m.
                                         Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/13/09 4:17 p.m.
                                               Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingThe BS Police 9/13/09 4:48 p.m.
                                               Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRagashingo 9/13/09 5:48 p.m.
     Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingDHalo 9/12/09 9:05 p.m.
           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGeneral Vagueness 9/12/09 10:04 p.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/12/09 10:16 p.m.
     Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingNeloms 9/12/09 9:43 p.m.
           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/13/09 9:49 a.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingNeloms 9/13/09 1:59 p.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice Actingscarab 9/13/09 2:22 p.m.
     Re: Prophet of Bad Voice Actingelessar787 9/12/09 10:07 p.m.
           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/12/09 10:28 p.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingMetalingus627 9/12/09 10:37 p.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/12/09 11:12 p.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingLoneRanger 2.5 9/12/09 11:47 p.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingMetalingus627 9/13/09 10:39 a.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingCody Miller 9/14/09 2:21 p.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingMatt 9/13/09 9:05 a.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/13/09 10:07 a.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/13/09 10:32 a.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/13/09 4:45 p.m.
                                         Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingMatt 9/14/09 2:17 a.m.
                                               Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/14/09 2:37 a.m.
                                                     Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingLouis Wu 9/14/09 6:32 a.m.
                                                           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/14/09 7:39 a.m.
                                                           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingCody Miller 9/14/09 1:17 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/14/09 1:47 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingLouis Wu 9/14/09 4:16 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingCody Miller 9/14/09 4:21 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingLouis Wu 9/14/09 4:23 p.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingPriorMarcus 9/13/09 9:26 a.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRiceatron 9/13/09 10:32 a.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/13/09 10:41 a.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingPriorMarcus 9/13/09 12:10 p.m.
                                         Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingDHalo 9/13/09 1:32 p.m.
                                         Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingHikaru-119 9/13/09 1:41 p.m.
                                         Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingSonofMacPhisto 9/13/09 3:47 p.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice Actingscarab 9/14/09 3:42 a.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/14/09 4:11 a.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingMetalingus627 9/14/09 9:02 a.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingHikaru-119 9/14/09 12:54 p.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingThe BS Police 9/14/09 12:54 p.m.
     Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.Gravemind 9/12/09 10:14 p.m.
           Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.The BS Police 9/12/09 10:28 p.m.
           Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.Phoenix_9286 9/12/09 11:12 p.m.
           Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.scarab 9/13/09 10:26 a.m.
                 Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.Bry 9/13/09 10:57 a.m.
                       Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.Riceatron 9/13/09 11:05 a.m.
                             Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.Bry 9/13/09 11:23 a.m.
                                   Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.Riceatron 9/13/09 11:47 a.m.
     Luke wrote Halo 3, wtf?MasterChief2829 9/12/09 10:14 p.m.
           Re: Luke wrote Halo 3, wtf?The BS Police 9/12/09 10:23 p.m.
                 Re: Luke wrote Halo 3, wtf?Elessar787 9/12/09 10:33 p.m.
                       Truth should be Anthony HopkinsRiceatron 9/12/09 10:46 p.m.
                 Re: Luke wrote Halo 3, wtf?LoneRanger 2.5 9/12/09 11:02 p.m.
                 Re: Luke wrote Halo 3, wtf?mehve 9/15/09 4:40 p.m.
                       Confirmed: Rob and Luke hate how Halo 3 turned out *NM*Ibeechu 9/15/09 4:45 p.m.
                             ... *NM*mehve 9/15/09 6:26 p.m.
                                   Don't mind him.Louis Wu 9/15/09 7:07 p.m.
           Re: Luke wrote Halo 3, wtf?ArteenEsben 9/12/09 11:17 p.m.
     Prophet of I Don't Have To Keep Up The ImageRiceatron 9/12/09 11:50 p.m.
     Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRosco-128 9/13/09 12:16 a.m.
           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRiceatron 9/13/09 12:50 a.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingLoneRanger 2.5 9/13/09 2:51 a.m.
     Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott? *NM* *NM*Jayshum 9/13/09 8:39 a.m.
           Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?Ibeechu 9/13/09 11:21 a.m.
                 Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?Metalingus627 9/13/09 2:41 p.m.
                 Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?PriorMarcus 9/13/09 2:57 p.m.
                       "he accidentally had depth"Ibeechu 9/14/09 10:10 a.m.
                 Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?The BS Police 9/13/09 3:01 p.m.
                       Yes he was.Riceatron 9/13/09 3:10 p.m.
                             Re: No he wasn't.The BS Police 9/13/09 3:20 p.m.
                                   Re: No he wasn't.Bry 9/13/09 4:06 p.m.
                                   Sigh...Riceatron 9/13/09 5:52 p.m.
                                         Re: Sigh...General Vagueness 9/13/09 6:33 p.m.
                                         End of the dayBry 9/14/09 1:34 a.m.
                                               Re: End of the dayMetalingus627 9/14/09 2:32 a.m.
                                                     Re: End of the dayBry 9/14/09 2:49 a.m.
                                   Re: No he wasn't.Ragashingo 9/13/09 6:04 p.m.
                                   Re: No he wasn't.Narcogen 9/15/09 7:43 a.m.
                                         Re: No he wasn't.Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/15/09 5:51 p.m.
                                               Re: No he wasn't.Narcogen 9/17/09 12:09 a.m.
                             Re: Yes he was.Ragashingo 9/13/09 5:56 p.m.
                                   Re: Yes he was.The Loot 9/13/09 6:44 p.m.
                 Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?ThorsHammer 9/14/09 1:05 a.m.
                       Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?Ibeechu 9/14/09 10:17 a.m.
                             Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?ThorsHammer 9/14/09 12:11 p.m.
                                   Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?Louis Wu 9/14/09 12:17 p.m.
                                         Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?ThorsHammer 9/14/09 3:57 p.m.
     Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingPriorMarcus 9/13/09 9:14 a.m.
           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRiceatron 9/13/09 9:38 a.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBlueNinja 9/13/09 10:26 a.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/13/09 5:39 p.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBlueNinja 9/14/09 3:26 p.m.
           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice Actingscarab 9/13/09 10:44 a.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingPriorMarcus 9/13/09 12:25 p.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice Actingscarab 9/13/09 3:31 p.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/13/09 5:49 p.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingJ23 9/13/09 9:50 p.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingThe BS Police 9/13/09 11:18 p.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/14/09 12:15 a.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingHedgemony 9/14/09 12:49 a.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/14/09 2:03 a.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingMetalingus627 9/14/09 2:27 a.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingIbeechu 9/14/09 10:24 a.m.
     Re: Post of Incorrect Logical Leapsurk 9/14/09 1:03 p.m.
           Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsMatt 9/14/09 2:08 p.m.
                 Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsAvateur 9/14/09 2:11 p.m.
                       Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsRiceatron 9/14/09 2:14 p.m.
                             Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsAvateur 9/14/09 2:23 p.m.
                                   Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsMercury 9/14/09 4:55 p.m.
                                         Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsHikaru-119 9/14/09 5:01 p.m.
                                               Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsSonofMacPhisto 9/14/09 5:43 p.m.
                                   Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsRagashingo 9/14/09 5:22 p.m.
                       Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsThe BS Police 9/14/09 2:21 p.m.
                             Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsAvateur 9/14/09 2:23 p.m.
                                   Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsPriorMarcus 9/14/09 2:26 p.m.
                                         Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsAvateur 9/14/09 2:29 p.m.
                                               Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsThe BS Police 9/14/09 2:34 p.m.
                                   Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsThe BS Police 9/14/09 2:29 p.m.
                                         Neither of you are trolls, calm downIbeechu 9/14/09 2:34 p.m.
                                         Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsAvateur 9/14/09 2:35 p.m.
                                               Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsThe BS Police 9/14/09 2:39 p.m.
                                                     Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsMatt 9/15/09 1:29 a.m.
                                                           Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsLouis Wu 9/15/09 6:30 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsSep7imus [subnova] 9/15/09 6:42 p.m.
                                               Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsPriorMarcus 9/14/09 3:13 p.m.
                                                     Aren't you supposed to be in hiding, Avateur?Riceatron 9/14/09 3:19 p.m.
                                                           Re: Aren't you supposed to be in hiding, Avateur?Ibeechu 9/14/09 4:36 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Aren't you supposed to be in hiding, Avateur?Riceatron 9/14/09 6:15 p.m.
                             Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/14/09 3:24 p.m.
                 Re: Post of Incorrect Logical Leapsscarab 9/14/09 3:54 p.m.
           Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsBlueNinja 9/14/09 3:30 p.m.
                 Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsRiceatron 9/14/09 3:56 p.m.
                       Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsNarcogen 9/15/09 7:33 a.m.
                             Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsDHalo 9/15/09 6:08 p.m.
                                   Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsNarcogen 9/17/09 12:14 a.m.
           *Grumbles and goes back under his bridge*Metalingus627 9/14/09 3:53 p.m.
                 Re: *Grumbles and goes back under his bridge*ThorsHammer 9/14/09 4:04 p.m.
                       Re: *Grumbles and goes back under his bridge*Mercury 9/14/09 5:13 p.m.
                       Re: *Grumbles and goes back under his bridge*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/14/09 5:26 p.m.
     Are they done with that one thing in Halo: LegendsGeneral Vagueness 9/14/09 8:54 p.m.



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