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Re: Prophet of Bad Voice Acting
Posted By: scarabDate: 9/13/09 3:31 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Prophet of Bad Voice Acting (PriorMarcus)


: Plus in Halo 3 the character really didn't do much on screen, so I guess I
: never had time to grow used to her new portrayal (however she did get the
: best death scene).

I could hardly tell the difference. To me it was just a change of voice. I couldn't remember the original very well so it was all small beer to me.

: And I think I'm talking about both of them. The dialogue was weak in parts
: (like "to war!") but was excellent in others (when the Chief
: finds Cortana, etc) and the story was weak in parts too (telling us about
: Bias but never showing us, etc) and was excellent in others also (the very
: ending, with Chief going to sleep, etc).

Like Arthur.

: Different strokes for different folks though, really. I guess Halo 3 just
: didn't give me answers to the questions I was intrigued by.

If you answer all questions then the fans move on. Its a tease but that can only go on for so long.

But Halo 3 was handicapped from the start.

It was 2 missing levels from h2 expanded into a full game.

I never understood Truth's motivation for just about anything he did.

They didn't dare tackle the enormity of the Arbiter's crimes, though I suspect that very few people here actually cared about what he did. "If your culture condones genocide then who are we to judge?" That disappointed me, it was a waste of a good character. We had an ally that did evil things and we just don't talk about it.

If I had been writing the character then I would have had him be a more truthful character. he obviously had few qualms about murdering innocents. I don't think that he let thoughts of decency or mercy cloud his thoughts. As others have pointed out on HBO, he didn't really think in those terms. In my terms he seemed immoral or amoral. others here just thought that he had different morals that don't include scruples about killing the helpless, he just went with the flow and didn't give it a second thought.

Fair enough, I wold have gone with that and used it.

I would have had his obsequiousness and friendly pretenses be just that: pretenses. Give him some opportunity to benefit from betrayal. Present the Forerunner heirs as a threat to his species, or present a moral conflict over treatment of Prophet race civilians to the members of the Human/Elite alliance. Make use of the fact that he is inured to genocide.

I would have done something to say to people that you shouldn't bend over backwards to make excuses for evil people and that there are consequences for getting in bed with monsters. A Neville Chamberlain moment.

That would have given enough story material to have filled Halo 3: to the brim!

I would have preferred that to the, soppy and saccharine, 'nobody is all bad' pap that we got in Halo 3.

If you are going to have a story with 'gray' characters in them then make use of them! Don't cop out into cliché.

I don't think that h2 and Halo 3 have shown that you can't use gray characters or show the enemy's point of view.

The Arbiter would have worked better for me if his initial missions were less pointless. I knew that nothing he was doing was for his benefit. I was just trudging through the game waiting for him to have his epiphany.

I would rather he had learnt his errors earlier and that he had taken an active role in rebelling. I would have respected him more and I would have felt that I was fighting a war on two fronts against the Prophets.

I would still have had him evil though, at the end. (Or at least, not al nicey nicey.)

The Chief was very passive, he just did what he was told. The Arbiter could have made decisions, in cut-scenes, that would have revealed his character and shown that he was capable of making momentous decisions.

He was, potentially, a stronger character than the Chief but this was diluted by having him try to be our pal. "I'll be your dog." Yuk!

And since I'm giving forth... I didn't like mad as a bat Truth. I liked the feeling in year end episodes of B5 were everything was spinning out of control.

I would have preferred if Truth had valid logical reasons for doing the things that he did. And they'd have to be fairly clear. He can be a duplicitous as he wants with other in-game characters but we have to be able to follow his line of thought. Make his actions look like they had a high chance of success. Then have our characters thwart him by kicking ass against insurmountable odds.

Maybe he knew how the indexing worked. Make use of the fact that his race was doomed to slow extinction through underpopulation and a limited gene pool.

Show that he knew that we were Forerunners ( even if you leave this until the last game). Show that Truth knew what the rings would do. Show that the Hierarchs had tried to prevent the rings from being found but that they couldn't resist the pressure from eager Elite crews searching for signs.

Show the Arbiter discover the Prophets 'treachery'. Force their hand and start the splitting of the Covenant.

Place him on the Ark, put the index in his hand, have it contain all the records from the last indexing. He who holds the Ark's index could use it to resurrect any species.

Have the Elites take his people and start genociding them.

What is Truth to do? Where can he go?

The Flood is there too, the Humans and the Elites both know of the index's capability.

What do they do?

: What I do find odd is how perfectly cast the first game was and then how
: poorly the second and third were (from Bungie's point of view). Did the
: studio change casting directors for the second game?

I don't know. Maybe the first game was a happy accident.


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Prophet of Bad Voice ActingThe BS Police 9/12/09 8:50 p.m.
     Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingTDSpiral 9/12/09 9:04 p.m.
           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingDHalo 9/12/09 9:18 p.m.
                 The Civil War was also his construction *NM*Metalingus627 9/12/09 9:26 p.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingTDSpiral 9/12/09 9:26 p.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingThe BS Police 9/12/09 10:26 p.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingDHalo 9/12/09 10:45 p.m.
                       ↑What he said.Gravemind 9/12/09 10:54 p.m.
                             Re: ↑What he said.Gravemind 9/12/09 10:56 p.m.
                             Re: ↑What he said.The BS Police 9/12/09 10:59 p.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRagashingo 9/13/09 1:38 a.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/13/09 2:49 a.m.
                                   You forget the word HereticRiceatron 9/13/09 9:45 a.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRagashingo 9/13/09 11:05 a.m.
                                         Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/13/09 11:33 a.m.
                                               Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRiceatron 9/13/09 11:42 a.m.
                                                     Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/13/09 11:50 a.m.
                                         Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/13/09 4:17 p.m.
                                               Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingThe BS Police 9/13/09 4:48 p.m.
                                               Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRagashingo 9/13/09 5:48 p.m.
     Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingDHalo 9/12/09 9:05 p.m.
           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGeneral Vagueness 9/12/09 10:04 p.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/12/09 10:16 p.m.
     Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingNeloms 9/12/09 9:43 p.m.
           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/13/09 9:49 a.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingNeloms 9/13/09 1:59 p.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice Actingscarab 9/13/09 2:22 p.m.
     Re: Prophet of Bad Voice Actingelessar787 9/12/09 10:07 p.m.
           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/12/09 10:28 p.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingMetalingus627 9/12/09 10:37 p.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/12/09 11:12 p.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingLoneRanger 2.5 9/12/09 11:47 p.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingMetalingus627 9/13/09 10:39 a.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingCody Miller 9/14/09 2:21 p.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingMatt 9/13/09 9:05 a.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingStephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/13/09 10:07 a.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/13/09 10:32 a.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/13/09 4:45 p.m.
                                         Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingMatt 9/14/09 2:17 a.m.
                                               Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/14/09 2:37 a.m.
                                                     Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingLouis Wu 9/14/09 6:32 a.m.
                                                           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/14/09 7:39 a.m.
                                                           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingCody Miller 9/14/09 1:17 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/14/09 1:47 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingLouis Wu 9/14/09 4:16 p.m.
                                                                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingCody Miller 9/14/09 4:21 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingLouis Wu 9/14/09 4:23 p.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingPriorMarcus 9/13/09 9:26 a.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRiceatron 9/13/09 10:32 a.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/13/09 10:41 a.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingPriorMarcus 9/13/09 12:10 p.m.
                                         Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingDHalo 9/13/09 1:32 p.m.
                                         Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingHikaru-119 9/13/09 1:41 p.m.
                                         Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingSonofMacPhisto 9/13/09 3:47 p.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice Actingscarab 9/14/09 3:42 a.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/14/09 4:11 a.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingMetalingus627 9/14/09 9:02 a.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingHikaru-119 9/14/09 12:54 p.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingThe BS Police 9/14/09 12:54 p.m.
     Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.Gravemind 9/12/09 10:14 p.m.
           Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.The BS Police 9/12/09 10:28 p.m.
           Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.Phoenix_9286 9/12/09 11:12 p.m.
           Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.scarab 9/13/09 10:26 a.m.
                 Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.Bry 9/13/09 10:57 a.m.
                       Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.Riceatron 9/13/09 11:05 a.m.
                             Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.Bry 9/13/09 11:23 a.m.
                                   Re: Fact: Wincott>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stamp.Riceatron 9/13/09 11:47 a.m.
     Luke wrote Halo 3, wtf?MasterChief2829 9/12/09 10:14 p.m.
           Re: Luke wrote Halo 3, wtf?The BS Police 9/12/09 10:23 p.m.
                 Re: Luke wrote Halo 3, wtf?Elessar787 9/12/09 10:33 p.m.
                       Truth should be Anthony HopkinsRiceatron 9/12/09 10:46 p.m.
                 Re: Luke wrote Halo 3, wtf?LoneRanger 2.5 9/12/09 11:02 p.m.
                 Re: Luke wrote Halo 3, wtf?mehve 9/15/09 4:40 p.m.
                       Confirmed: Rob and Luke hate how Halo 3 turned out *NM*Ibeechu 9/15/09 4:45 p.m.
                             ... *NM*mehve 9/15/09 6:26 p.m.
                                   Don't mind him.Louis Wu 9/15/09 7:07 p.m.
           Re: Luke wrote Halo 3, wtf?ArteenEsben 9/12/09 11:17 p.m.
     Prophet of I Don't Have To Keep Up The ImageRiceatron 9/12/09 11:50 p.m.
     Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRosco-128 9/13/09 12:16 a.m.
           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRiceatron 9/13/09 12:50 a.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingLoneRanger 2.5 9/13/09 2:51 a.m.
     Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott? *NM* *NM*Jayshum 9/13/09 8:39 a.m.
           Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?Ibeechu 9/13/09 11:21 a.m.
                 Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?Metalingus627 9/13/09 2:41 p.m.
                 Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?PriorMarcus 9/13/09 2:57 p.m.
                       "he accidentally had depth"Ibeechu 9/14/09 10:10 a.m.
                 Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?The BS Police 9/13/09 3:01 p.m.
                       Yes he was.Riceatron 9/13/09 3:10 p.m.
                             Re: No he wasn't.The BS Police 9/13/09 3:20 p.m.
                                   Re: No he wasn't.Bry 9/13/09 4:06 p.m.
                                   Sigh...Riceatron 9/13/09 5:52 p.m.
                                         Re: Sigh...General Vagueness 9/13/09 6:33 p.m.
                                         End of the dayBry 9/14/09 1:34 a.m.
                                               Re: End of the dayMetalingus627 9/14/09 2:32 a.m.
                                                     Re: End of the dayBry 9/14/09 2:49 a.m.
                                   Re: No he wasn't.Ragashingo 9/13/09 6:04 p.m.
                                   Re: No he wasn't.Narcogen 9/15/09 7:43 a.m.
                                         Re: No he wasn't.Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/15/09 5:51 p.m.
                                               Re: No he wasn't.Narcogen 9/17/09 12:09 a.m.
                             Re: Yes he was.Ragashingo 9/13/09 5:56 p.m.
                                   Re: Yes he was.The Loot 9/13/09 6:44 p.m.
                 Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?ThorsHammer 9/14/09 1:05 a.m.
                       Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?Ibeechu 9/14/09 10:17 a.m.
                             Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?ThorsHammer 9/14/09 12:11 p.m.
                                   Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?Louis Wu 9/14/09 12:17 p.m.
                                         Re: Does anyone know why they replaced Wincott?ThorsHammer 9/14/09 3:57 p.m.
     Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingPriorMarcus 9/13/09 9:14 a.m.
           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingRiceatron 9/13/09 9:38 a.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBlueNinja 9/13/09 10:26 a.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/13/09 5:39 p.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBlueNinja 9/14/09 3:26 p.m.
           Re: Prophet of Bad Voice Actingscarab 9/13/09 10:44 a.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingPriorMarcus 9/13/09 12:25 p.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice Actingscarab 9/13/09 3:31 p.m.
                 Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/13/09 5:49 p.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingJ23 9/13/09 9:50 p.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingThe BS Police 9/13/09 11:18 p.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingGravemind 9/14/09 12:15 a.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingHedgemony 9/14/09 12:49 a.m.
                                   Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingBry 9/14/09 2:03 a.m.
                             Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingMetalingus627 9/14/09 2:27 a.m.
                       Re: Prophet of Bad Voice ActingIbeechu 9/14/09 10:24 a.m.
     Re: Post of Incorrect Logical Leapsurk 9/14/09 1:03 p.m.
           Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsMatt 9/14/09 2:08 p.m.
                 Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsAvateur 9/14/09 2:11 p.m.
                       Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsRiceatron 9/14/09 2:14 p.m.
                             Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsAvateur 9/14/09 2:23 p.m.
                                   Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsMercury 9/14/09 4:55 p.m.
                                         Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsHikaru-119 9/14/09 5:01 p.m.
                                               Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsSonofMacPhisto 9/14/09 5:43 p.m.
                                   Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsRagashingo 9/14/09 5:22 p.m.
                       Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsThe BS Police 9/14/09 2:21 p.m.
                             Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsAvateur 9/14/09 2:23 p.m.
                                   Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsPriorMarcus 9/14/09 2:26 p.m.
                                         Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsAvateur 9/14/09 2:29 p.m.
                                               Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsThe BS Police 9/14/09 2:34 p.m.
                                   Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsThe BS Police 9/14/09 2:29 p.m.
                                         Neither of you are trolls, calm downIbeechu 9/14/09 2:34 p.m.
                                         Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsAvateur 9/14/09 2:35 p.m.
                                               Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsThe BS Police 9/14/09 2:39 p.m.
                                                     Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsMatt 9/15/09 1:29 a.m.
                                                           Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsLouis Wu 9/15/09 6:30 a.m.
                                                                 Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsSep7imus [subnova] 9/15/09 6:42 p.m.
                                               Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsPriorMarcus 9/14/09 3:13 p.m.
                                                     Aren't you supposed to be in hiding, Avateur?Riceatron 9/14/09 3:19 p.m.
                                                           Re: Aren't you supposed to be in hiding, Avateur?Ibeechu 9/14/09 4:36 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Aren't you supposed to be in hiding, Avateur?Riceatron 9/14/09 6:15 p.m.
                             Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 9/14/09 3:24 p.m.
                 Re: Post of Incorrect Logical Leapsscarab 9/14/09 3:54 p.m.
           Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsBlueNinja 9/14/09 3:30 p.m.
                 Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsRiceatron 9/14/09 3:56 p.m.
                       Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsNarcogen 9/15/09 7:33 a.m.
                             Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsDHalo 9/15/09 6:08 p.m.
                                   Re: Post of Incorrect Logical LeapsNarcogen 9/17/09 12:14 a.m.
           *Grumbles and goes back under his bridge*Metalingus627 9/14/09 3:53 p.m.
                 Re: *Grumbles and goes back under his bridge*ThorsHammer 9/14/09 4:04 p.m.
                       Re: *Grumbles and goes back under his bridge*Mercury 9/14/09 5:13 p.m.
                       Re: *Grumbles and goes back under his bridge*Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 9/14/09 5:26 p.m.
     Are they done with that one thing in Halo: LegendsGeneral Vagueness 9/14/09 8:54 p.m.



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