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Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailers
Posted By: Stephen L. (SoundEffect) <soundeffect@hotmail.com>Date: 10/5/08 10:59 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailers (Bry)


: When you think about it that evidence is pretty much limited exclusively to
: FoR though isn't it?
: Look at it this way, if it wasn't for that small section, there would be no
: difficulty in thinking they had been involved for a long time (and the
: evidence would then suggest they had been, like Ghosts of Onyx and now
: Halo Wars).
: And lets be honest, it never really made much sense in context of the game
: (ultimate canon) or The Flood (newer). Humans didn't seem all that
: surprised at 'suddenly' encountering these massive 'new' and lethal
: enemies in force.

: Just to further the point, First Strike was also described as the first
: contact with the Brutes and we know that isn't true. (pg 310: "Also
: be advised, Chief, that there are ceremonial guards in this temple-a race
: we have not encountered before, Roughly translated from Covenant dialects,
: they are called 'Brutes'. They shouldn't be a significant threat or they
: would have been used in previous military situations.)
: Cortana is obviously completely oblivious to just about everything in Contact
: Harvest.
: Now is that a ONI cover-up or a retcon? Probably a both, a ONI cover-up makes
: a nice and convenient explanation for that kind of retcon..

: We already mentioned the entire system described in FoR for human artificial
: gravity through rotating sections and what-have-you seems to have been
: completely dismissed in Contact Harvest as well and its never fit in with
: the games as we've seen them either.
: That seems to be another FoR exclusive.

: There was also the HGN (again, newer) which seemed to indicate that the
: Elites, specifically Rtas, had first hand experience with human
: behaviours. ("This does not look like a human attack. Barbaric as
: they are, I have never seen them do something like this.")

: The Halo canon is flexible, it has to be.
: Like it or not, it just isn't 100% set in stone because it wasn't thought out
: in every minute detail from day one. Things have evolved, changed and been
: added to as its all expanded, and that's inevitably led to some retcons
: here and there..
: Its hell for us as fans, especially since we don't have as much to guide us,
: but we have to live with it I suppose.

: Basically, I just want to say we can't be too afraid of the possibility of a
: retcon here and there, or driving ourselves too far in trying to come
: overcomplicate things trying to explain why they haven't actually pulled a
: retcon.

: Look at what the Force Unleashed just did to Star Wars fans.

: Like Joe Staten said right here in November: : "Everything that Bungie
: has ever approved is canonical. But even then, certain things

: : Bungie doesn't like to retcon (i.e., deliberately change previously

: ...geez, I really shouldn't be allowed near a keyboard should I...

We don't know yet that the events surrounding the initial and follow-up attacks on Harvest haven't been classified by ONI and that literally no one in the UNSC knew about Elites prior to 2552, except ONI, those who died, and the potential few that survived but have been sworn to secrecy.

On Alpha Halo in the swamp Flood Containment Complex Keyes asks, "What do we have, Sergeant?" to which Johnson responds, "Looks like a Covenant patrol. Bad-ass Elite units. All KIA".

The tone of the dialogue sounds like Elites are pretty new to them, not something they have encountered hundreds of times before.

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                                                                 Re: *SPOILERS FOR CINEMATIC*P1TVIPER 10/5/08 11:41 p.m.
                                   More story spoilers...InnerRayg 10/4/08 1:46 a.m.
                                         My badInnerRayg 10/4/08 1:47 a.m.
                                               Serina=lara croft *NM*tombodemon 10/4/08 2:05 a.m.
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                                               Re: My badLouis Wu 10/4/08 8:32 a.m.
                                                     Re: My badInnerRayg 10/4/08 11:29 a.m.
                                                           Re: My badUNSC_Trooper 10/4/08 11:38 a.m.
                                                                 Re: My badBry 10/4/08 12:22 p.m.
                                                                       Re: My badLouis Wu 10/4/08 12:26 p.m.
                                                                             Re: My badDHalo 10/4/08 1:03 p.m.
                                                                                   IIRC...DHalo 10/4/08 1:16 p.m.
                                                                                         Further proof...DHalo 10/4/08 2:27 p.m.
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                                                                                               Re: Heh, no problem.Ross Mills 10/4/08 4:46 p.m.
                                                                                                     What!?!!! Toby's not a woman's name. *NM*scarab 10/4/08 8:09 p.m.
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                                               Re: My badAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 10/5/08 9:23 a.m.
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                                         Re: *SPOILERS FOR CINEMATIC*sharpsniper99 10/4/08 7:56 a.m.
                                               Re: *SPOILERS FOR CINEMATIC*CHAOS1212 10/4/08 9:29 a.m.
                                         Re: *SPOILERS FOR CINEMATIC*SPARTAN-034 10/4/08 10:04 a.m.
                                   Re: *SPOILERS FOR CINEMATIC*DHalo 10/4/08 10:04 a.m.
                                         Re: *SPOILERS FOR CINEMATIC*UNSC_Trooper 10/4/08 11:00 a.m.
                                               Re: *SPOILERS FOR CINEMATIC*DHalo 10/4/08 11:33 a.m.
                                                     Re: *SPOILERS FOR CINEMATIC*Cthulhu117 10/4/08 7:37 p.m.
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                                   Re: *SPOILERS FOR CINEMATIC*UrsusArctos 10/4/08 9:53 p.m.
                                         Re: *SPOILERS FOR CINEMATIC*The More Deluded 10/5/08 10:15 a.m.
                             Re: Additional Sightings...Louis Wu 10/4/08 8:18 a.m.
                                   Re: Additional Sightings...DHalo 10/4/08 9:55 a.m.
           Re: Additional Sightings...Psychophan7 10/4/08 2:39 p.m.
                 Re: Additional Sightings...DHalo 10/4/08 2:56 p.m.
                 Re: Additional Sightings...Ragashingo 10/4/08 4:47 p.m.
     Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersNaburu 10/4/08 5:16 a.m.
           Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersVVM 10/4/08 10:34 a.m.
                 Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersCHAOS1212 10/4/08 11:18 a.m.
                 Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersFree Weights 10/4/08 11:23 a.m.
                       Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersVVM 10/4/08 1:08 p.m.
                             What colour is the sky on your world? *NM*Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 10/5/08 9:31 a.m.
                             Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersxmoosev3 10/5/08 9:53 a.m.
                                   Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersVVM 10/5/08 2:26 p.m.
                                         Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersThe More Deluded 10/5/08 3:28 p.m.
                                         Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersxmoosev3 10/6/08 1:53 a.m.
                                         Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersGeneral Vagueness 10/6/08 8:39 a.m.
                 Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersvlad3163 10/4/08 1:54 p.m.
                       Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersMy7hos 10/4/08 2:09 p.m.
                             Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersInnerRayg 10/4/08 2:39 p.m.
                                   Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersVVM 10/4/08 4:55 p.m.
                 Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailers *NM*Cthulhu117 10/4/08 7:38 p.m.
           That guy was bad at dodging the flood questions.spDustbunny27 10/4/08 11:39 p.m.
                 Re: That guy was bad at dodging the flood questionRagashingo 10/4/08 11:48 p.m.
                       Re: That guy was bad at dodging the flood questionInnerRayg 10/5/08 12:58 a.m.
                             Re: That guy was bad at dodging the flood questionThe More Deluded 10/5/08 10:29 a.m.
                             Re: That guy was bad at dodging the flood questionRagashingo 10/5/08 12:12 p.m.
                                   Re: That guy was bad at dodging the flood questionAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 10/5/08 12:27 p.m.
                                         Re: That guy was bad at dodging the flood questionSchedonnardus 10/7/08 9:30 a.m.
                                   Re: That guy was bad at dodging the flood questionGeneral Vagueness 10/5/08 1:00 p.m.
                                         Thank you.InnerRayg 10/5/08 9:23 p.m.
     *SPOILERS*grantix 10/4/08 9:21 a.m.
           Re: *SPOILERS*UNSC_Trooper 10/4/08 10:46 a.m.
           Spirals from glassing, maybe?Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 10/5/08 9:41 a.m.
     Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersGeneral Vagueness 10/4/08 10:45 a.m.
           Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersP1TVIPER 10/4/08 10:51 a.m.
                 Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersStephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/4/08 5:09 p.m.
                       Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersgrantix 10/4/08 5:12 p.m.
                             Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersThe More Deluded 10/5/08 10:57 a.m.
                       Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersRagashingo 10/4/08 5:57 p.m.
                             CLASSIFIED.My7hos 10/4/08 6:01 p.m.
                                   Re: CLASSIFIED.DHalo 10/4/08 6:11 p.m.
                                         Re: CLASSIFIED.Ragashingo 10/4/08 9:12 p.m.
                                               Re: CLASSIFIED.DHalo 10/4/08 9:39 p.m.
                                                     Re: CLASSIFIED.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/4/08 9:43 p.m.
                                                           Re: CLASSIFIED.DHalo 10/4/08 9:49 p.m.
                                                                 Project: CHRYSANTHEMUMDHalo 10/4/08 9:50 p.m.
                                                                 Re: CLASSIFIED.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/5/08 11:04 a.m.
                                                                       Heh...Louis Wu 10/5/08 11:15 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Heh...Omega 10/5/08 12:24 p.m.
                                   Re: CLASSIFIED.Ragashingo 10/4/08 9:04 p.m.
                       Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersDevil Mingy 10/4/08 6:16 p.m.
                             Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersDHalo 10/4/08 6:32 p.m.
                                   Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersOmega 10/4/08 7:10 p.m.
                                         Actually...Devil Mingy 10/4/08 7:37 p.m.
                                               Re: Actually...Omega 10/4/08 11:33 p.m.
                                                     Re: Actually...InnerRayg 10/5/08 12:58 a.m.
                                                     Re: Actually...Devil Mingy 10/5/08 5:01 p.m.
                       Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailerstombodemon 10/4/08 7:19 p.m.
                             Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersStephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/4/08 9:35 p.m.
                                   Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailerstombodemon 10/4/08 9:41 p.m.
                                   One word: Retcon. *NM*UrsusArctos 10/4/08 10:01 p.m.
                                         Re: Exactly. *NM*InnerRayg 10/4/08 11:02 p.m.
                                         Re: One word: Retcon.Stephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/5/08 11:07 a.m.
                       Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersSpartan Savior 10/4/08 7:23 p.m.
                             Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersStephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/4/08 9:37 p.m.
                                   Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersSpartan Savior 10/4/08 10:23 p.m.
                                   Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersBry 10/5/08 1:13 a.m.
                                         Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersresplendentvole 10/5/08 8:16 a.m.
                                               Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersvlad3163 10/5/08 8:52 a.m.
                                                     Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersresplendentvole 10/5/08 10:11 a.m.
                                         Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersStephen L. (SoundEffect) 10/5/08 10:59 a.m.
                                               Re: Halo Wars: Cinematic from GameTrailersBry 10/5/08 11:48 a.m.
                                         Brought a tear to my eye, beautiful. *NM*InnerRayg 10/5/08 9:26 p.m.
     Was anyone else pulling a Final Fantasy:SW vibe?Ross Mills 10/4/08 3:10 p.m.
           Re: Was anyone else pulling a Final Fantasy:SW vibGeneral Vagueness 10/4/08 4:56 p.m.
                 Re: Was anyone else pulling a Final Fantasy:SW vibThe More Deluded 10/5/08 11:07 a.m.
           AyeOmega 10/4/08 6:49 p.m.



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