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Re: I know what I'm getting...
Posted By: Sam <sam_edge@charter.net>Date: 11/7/01 8:24 a.m.

In Response To: Re: I know what I'm getting... (Tobin)

: And it comes from Nintendo. If you want Halo, you can get the PC version,
: unless one of the Bungie guys wants to come out and admit it's not up to
: snuff...what with the XBox being much, much more capable of playing games
: than an Athlon XP 1900+ with 1 GB or RAM and a GeForce3 Ti500.

Just a little side comment responding to your sarcasm here.....

Yes, a super Athlon system with a good video card and good sound subsystem would be a good platform for PC Halo to run on.... But how many people are going to have that high of a spec on their machines? 20% of the pc market, if that, probably(Speculation). Are you going to shoot for that being your required system, and cut yourself out of 80% of your possible sales?

The problem with having high end requirements on PC games is market penetration. This is the one area that allows consoles to excel so much at market.... any xbox title will run on any xbox; the spec is set. On your potential market, you have 100% penetration; all you have to do is find your target market and convince them to shell out their $$$. And the console market is bigger than the pc market; compare a $300 console, with a self life or 2-3 years, to a $1000 pc, with a shelf life of a 1.5 years (and, note that the pc will be obsolete in 9 months, requiring another 1 grand purchase to stay current).

So, while Bungie might would LIKE to develop for a super PC (and it would kick ass if they did, based on what they've pulled off on the xbox) but you also have to consider sales. You can't shoot for the super top end of the spectrum and still have competitive sales. And, yes, we have performance scaling in games. However, if your high and average end are that far apart, you're almost developing 2 games, and that isn't cost effective. Never mention the compatability problems you'd have because of the open hardware spec on PC's. And if you start closing the requirements.... well, you're closing your market, and limiting sales. Never mind that on the pc side your dev platform is a MOVING TARGET; if your marketing and projection teams have done their job, and the dev team finishes the project on time, you MIGHT have decent sales; miss the hardware spec, and you go to market without a market to sell on. Bottom line; it's a money game.

The xbox is a good dev platform because 1) it is a powerful system at a decent price, 2) it's a closed spec, and 3) you're close to the silicon. The xbox, out of the box, is probably more powerful than the average pc out there, and it's priced cheaper than a new pc. Are there pc platforms that are more powerful than the xbox? Yes, but those systems would run you around a grand, more if you don't have a decent monitor and sound system. However, pc's always have the cutting edge hardware (even allowing for the performance losses we suffer due to the OS's we have to run), never mind the multiplayer playground we call the internet. Are there pro's and con's to both? Yes.

Your arguement was very one-sided. You can thank me for finishing the other side for you. :)


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To many choices,lend your opinions please!noflamesMatt(Uh...#5) 11/6/01 1:17 p.m.
     PersonallyDarkSkies 11/6/01 1:30 p.m.
           Re: PersonallyJohnny Rotten 11/6/01 1:43 p.m.
                 LOL,thanks,any console guys out there?Matt(Uh...#5) 11/6/01 2:05 p.m.
                       Re: LOL,thanks,any console guys out there?*Ar-Isildur of *WP* 11/6/01 2:41 p.m.
                             Bingo, you got it (nt) *NM*Miguel Chavez 11/7/01 12:00 a.m.
                             Re: LOL,thanks,any console guys out there?Tobin 11/7/01 7:45 a.m.
                                   Re: LOL,thanks,any console guys out there?Lophan 11/7/01 9:06 a.m.
                                         Re: LOL,thanks,any console guys out there?Sam 11/7/01 10:28 a.m.
                                               Re: LOL,thanks,any console guys out there?Nijhazer 11/7/01 11:14 p.m.
                                   Re: LOL,thanks,any console guys out there?vector40 11/7/01 7:40 p.m.
                                         Re: LOL,thanks,any console guys out there?MSN 11/7/01 7:45 p.m.
                                               Re: LOL,thanks,any console guys out there?Tobin 11/7/01 8:04 p.m.
                                                     Re: LOL,thanks,any console guys out there?vector40 11/7/01 8:43 p.m.
                                                           Re: LOL,thanks,any console guys out there?Tobin 11/8/01 1:17 a.m.
                 Re: Personallybeef 11/6/01 5:37 p.m.
           Re: PersonallyFerrex (Microserf) 11/6/01 4:12 p.m.
                 Re: PersonallyAchronos 11/6/01 10:36 p.m.
                 Re: PersonallyTobin 11/7/01 7:10 a.m.
                       Re: PersonallyFerrex (Microserf) 11/7/01 1:50 p.m.
                             Re: PersonallyTobin 11/7/01 5:21 p.m.
                                   Re: PersonallyTobin 11/7/01 8:09 p.m.
                                         Re: PersonallySam 11/7/01 8:13 p.m.
                                   Re: PersonallyFerrex (Dead) 11/7/01 10:10 p.m.
                                         Re: PersonallyTobin 11/8/01 1:43 a.m.
                                   Re: PersonallyLegend 11/7/01 11:09 p.m.
     I am getting an X-box because...carrim 11/6/01 2:17 p.m.
           All great points, keep em coming *NM*Matt(Uh...#5) 11/6/01 2:54 p.m.
           Re: Nintendo Third Party Support Sucks!!!!kayas 11/6/01 3:21 p.m.
     mario sunshine!!!!!!!!!!!!(?????)Nate 11/6/01 4:56 p.m.
     Re: To many choices,lend your opinions please!noflNate 11/6/01 5:10 p.m.
           its a geforce 3,athlon 1ghz(upgraded soon)gig ram. *NM*Matt(Uh...#5) 11/6/01 5:12 p.m.
                 Xbox is cool.Nate 11/6/01 5:22 p.m.
                       Re: Xbox is cool.slumbermonkey 11/6/01 6:14 p.m.
           Re: Well, hell, if he can afford both...Tobin 11/7/01 7:51 a.m.
     Re: To many choices,lend your opinions please!noflvector40 11/6/01 5:37 p.m.
           Re: To many choices,lend your opinions please!noflbeef 11/6/01 5:52 p.m.
                 Imagine thiscarrim 11/6/01 6:25 p.m.
                       That puts it all in perspective....Matt(Uh...#5?) 11/6/01 6:31 p.m.
                             Sure! It's in the mail right now... *NM*Fuolornis Fire Dragon 11/6/01 6:55 p.m.
                             You mean in the "mall"... *NM*vector40 11/6/01 8:08 p.m.
                       Re: Imagine thisEric Trautmann 11/6/01 8:31 p.m.
                       Re: Imagine thisLouis Wu 11/6/01 8:55 p.m.
           Re: Resident EvilTobin 11/7/01 7:54 a.m.
     Re: I know what I'm getting...Tobin 11/7/01 7:27 a.m.
           Re: I know what I'm getting...Sam 11/7/01 8:24 a.m.
                 Re: I know what I'm getting...Tobin 11/7/01 5:22 p.m.
                       Re: I know what I'm getting...Sam 11/7/01 8:55 p.m.
                             Re: I know what I'm getting...Tobin 11/8/01 7:17 p.m.
                                   Re: I know what I'm getting...Sam 11/9/01 6:49 a.m.
                 Re: I know what I'm getting...vector40 11/7/01 7:28 p.m.
                       Re: I know what I'm getting...Sam 11/7/01 8:10 p.m.
                             Re: I know what I'm getting...vector40 11/7/01 8:41 p.m.
                                   Re: I know what I'm getting...Sam 11/7/01 8:51 p.m.
           Re: I know what I'm getting...Funky J 11/7/01 8:37 a.m.
                 Re: I know what I'm getting...Tobin 11/7/01 5:27 p.m.
                       Re: I know what I'm getting...Funky J 11/7/01 6:45 p.m.
                             Re: I know what I'm getting...Funky J 11/7/01 6:50 p.m.
                                   Re: I know what I'm getting...vector40 11/7/01 7:31 p.m.
           Re: I know what I'm getting...Sam 11/7/01 8:46 a.m.
           Oh well, looks like the console wars have spreadMSN 11/7/01 5:48 p.m.
     An honest look at the Console offerings (pc's too!Sam 11/7/01 10:23 a.m.



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