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Re: Did GM survive the Array?
Posted By: Empty Set <spikerags@hotmail.com>Date: 6/13/08 6:30 p.m.

In Response To: Did GM survive the Array? (Capt Spanish)


: I would like to give the Forerunners (and Bungie) enough credit that if
: you're going to burn down your house to kill the termites you better make
: damn sure you get the queen.

Very well reasoned speculation, but it's still just that; none of that is stated explicitly in any canon form. And since we don't know the actual details of the "Halo Effect" and the mechanism by which it terminates sentient life forms, we can't know that something about the infection process wouldn't render the infected entities impervious to the Effect.

There is only one exchange that speaks directly about the Halo's effect on the Flood, and from that we know that it does NOT kill Flood. (Allowing here for the exceptions I've already stated - that Cortana could either be wrong, or that Bungie has since re-imagined this part of the mythology.)

We know (I think?) that infected ex-humans (and elites, and brutes, etc.) begin to decay rapidly, at least as combat forms. (Help me out here - wasn't that detailed in The Flood?) I think the pre-H3 consensus was that Halo wiped out the "food" and the Flood "starved" - just as Cortana says in HCE. If that was so easy to believe for five years, why is it a problem now? It does not conflict with anything in Halo 3's narrative or the Terminal stories. It is not a hole in the Forerunner strategy: if they knew the "decay rate" (is "life span" appropriate?) of Flood forms, they would know when it was safe to reseed the galaxy. As I said - just because the Halos don't specifically target Flood for destruction, doesn't mean their firing wouldn't eventually leave the Flood dead.

Again, I'm just playing devil's advocate here. If Staten were to pop in here and lay the whole story out for us, without obfuscation, and your interpretation turned out to be spot on, I wouldn't be surprised. I just think (as is often the case, concerning fiction with a complicated and sometimes intentionally unclear backstory), folks tend to overcomplicate things.

Oh: As for Flood being destroyed at the end of H3, I think they were wiped out in the same way they were on Installation 04 - physically, by an explosion, when the unfit-to-fire 04a destroyed itself and the Ark.

Good discussion, though.


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                       Halo Effect absolutely kills Floodyakaman 6/10/08 8:23 a.m.
                             Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodEmpty Set 6/10/08 10:44 a.m.
                                   Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodSpeedhuntr 6/10/08 11:52 a.m.
                                         Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills Flood7he grunt w/a plasma pistol 6/10/08 3:11 p.m.
                                   Nice post.yakaman 6/10/08 12:50 p.m.
                                         Re: Nice post.GatchamanUK 6/10/08 1:30 p.m.
                                         Re: Nice post.Empty Set 6/10/08 4:11 p.m.
                                               All right, here's the problem here.Cthulhu117 6/10/08 8:16 p.m.
                                                     Re: All right, here's the problem here.yakaman 6/11/08 8:13 a.m.
                                                     Re: All right, here's the problem here.Empty Set 6/11/08 10:23 a.m.
                                                           Re: All right, here's the problem here.Dirkgently 6/12/08 6:11 p.m.
                                               Re: Nice post.yakaman 6/11/08 8:18 a.m.
                                         Keyes Wasn't a GM FormSonofMacPhisto 6/11/08 12:44 a.m.
                                               Re: Keyes Wasn't a GM Formelpolloguapo 6/11/08 9:59 a.m.
                                         Did GM survive the Array?Capt Spanish 6/13/08 1:37 a.m.
                                               I agree whole-heartedlyyakaman 6/13/08 12:23 p.m.
                                                     Re: I agree whole-heartedlyDHalo 6/13/08 2:52 p.m.
                                                           Re: I agree whole-heartedlyDirkgently 6/13/08 3:32 p.m.
                                                                 Re: I agree whole-heartedlyDHalo 6/13/08 4:03 p.m.
                                                           It absolutely kills Flood, and Gravemind.yakaman 6/13/08 4:33 p.m.
                                                                 Well said *NM*scarab 6/13/08 4:39 p.m.
                                                                 Re: It absolutely kills Flood, and Gravemind.DHalo 6/13/08 4:50 p.m.
                                                                       Halo: Story Evolvedscarab 6/13/08 5:44 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Halo: Story EvolvedDirkgently 6/13/08 6:14 p.m.
                                                                                   No, I misremembered. *NM*scarab 6/14/08 12:35 a.m.
                                                                       Re: It absolutely kills Flood, and Gravemind.Dirkgently 6/13/08 6:06 p.m.
                                                           Re: I agree whole-heartedlyStephen L. (SoundEffect) 6/13/08 8:30 p.m.
                                                                 Heh. It doesn't get more direct than that. *NM*yakaman 6/14/08 7:31 a.m.
                                               Re: Did GM survive the Array?Empty Set 6/13/08 6:30 p.m.
                                                     Re: Did GM survive the Array?DHalo 6/13/08 6:55 p.m.
                                                           Re: Did GM survive the Array?Dirkgently 6/13/08 7:01 p.m.
                                                     Re: Did GM survive the Array?Capt Spanish 6/13/08 7:21 p.m.
                             My opinion's out there on thiselpolloguapo 6/10/08 10:52 a.m.
                             Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodPeptuck 6/10/08 12:03 p.m.
                                   Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills Floodyakaman 6/10/08 12:52 p.m.
                                   Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills Floodelpolloguapo 6/10/08 2:05 p.m.
                                         Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodCthulhu117 6/10/08 8:27 p.m.
                                               Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills Floodelpolloguapo 6/10/08 8:33 p.m.
                                                     Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodCthulhu117 6/10/08 8:51 p.m.
                                                           Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills Floodelpolloguapo 6/10/08 9:00 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodFree Weights 6/10/08 11:04 p.m.
                                                                       Halo effect uses Flood telepathy ;-)scarab 6/11/08 1:13 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Halo effect uses Flood telepathy ;-)free weights 6/11/08 8:00 a.m.
                             Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodBry 6/10/08 6:16 p.m.
                                   Is that like being only slightly pregnant? *NM*scarab 6/11/08 1:16 a.m.
                                         HaBry 6/11/08 3:56 a.m.
                                         Re: Is that like being only slightly pregnant?elessar787 6/12/08 12:05 a.m.
                                               All together now: EEEWWWWWWWW *NM*General Vagueness 6/12/08 7:54 a.m.



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