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Nice post.
Posted By: yakamanDate: 6/10/08 12:50 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills Flood (Empty Set)


: This is how I always interpreted that terminal, but Urban Reflex makes an
: interesting point about differentiating between the infection and the
: host. I read three ways to interpret this information: 1. The Halo blast
: kills flood outright - at least, it kills flood forms of sufficient
: biomass. That matches the terminal account, but it conflicts with
: everything we were told about the flood previously.
: 2. The Halo blast only kills the host. This would leave Mendicant's ships
: adrift, filled with forerunner corpses and swarms of infection forms that
: removed themselves from the inert bodies. The infection forms live on, but
: are incapable of piloting the ship, and will be destroyed as OB destroys
: the fleet.
: 3. The Halo blast kills infected hosts, and the infection entity, since it is
: tied too deeply into the host's nervous system. (We see infection forms
: reanimate "dead" combat forms, but do we ever see infection
: forms retract themselves from a host in-game?)

: For practical purposes, options 2 and 3 are distinctions without a difference
: - the flood are not killed by the Halo blast itself, but by the
: consequences thereof.

: (What about pure forms?)

: Where I'm going: where is it ever stated that the Gravemind was destroyed in
: the Halo blast? I think it is assumed, because the galactic flood
: infestation is halted (until Gravemind hijacks HC 100,000 some odd years
: later, at least), but I can't remember any dialog or terminal thread that
: stated it explicitly. Do we even know where the flood's "core
: Mind" is during the battle and ensuing Halo blast?

: We really don't know the composition of the Gravemind - we know (at most)
: that the physical core is made up of at least one prophet, during Halo 2.
: Especially considering the debate about flood infection vectors, re: flora
: vs. fauna, is it possible that the core Mind of the Terminals survived the
: blast (even if some of its sentient "components" were
: destroyed), and retreated to some safe haven, to await the repopulation of
: the galaxy?

: The Halo Array was built prior to the deployment of Mendicant Bias. If MB
: knew about the Array (did it?), we can probably assume that the Flood knew
: about it.

: Perhaps the Gravemind "smuggled" itself aboard Installation 05
: prior to the Halo's firing. Maybe it tried to sabotage the ring, maybe the
: ring was somehow shielded from its own blast (still under debate?), maybe
: because the rings are repositories of Forerunner knowledge, and GM wanted
: to study its enemy in the same way the Forerunner were studying the
: spores. Still doesn't explain how it would subsist for 100,000 years
: without any sentience to consume (on the ring), but it explains how it got
: there in the first place.

I was about to be like "what do you mean we don't have any proof it kills Graveminds..." when I realized we don't. I guess I just always assumed it did.

Why were the Flood building a brain form in H1? Wouldn't an existing Gravemind be sufficent? It must not be, right, since the recent WWU Smuggler messages suggest a GM has been around for at least 300 years.

IMO, Halo Installations are not exempt from the Halo Effects - otherwise why even have Shield Worlds like Onyx? Think of how elaborate it was (Micro Dyson Sphere et al). Unless a Halo could make it's entire biosphere slide into slipspace, I don't see how this is likely.

So...could Gravemind have survived the Halo Effect? If so, wouldn't Offensive Bias have tracked him down and destroyed him? Would Didact?

I think it is imperative for the sake of the fiction to assume all Flood, including Gravemind were destroyed in the Halo Effect (exception: Infection Forms). Otherwise, with what confidence could the Forerunner execute their plan? Gravemind might be rendered powerless, but I just cannot accept that the Forerunner would overlook a still active Gravemind. No bleeping way. What if Gravemind was in a ship with SlipSpace capability?

Put it this way: I'll need really, REALLY concrete evidence that Gravemind survived the Halo Effect.


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The Smuggler, Part 2?Avateur 6/7/08 4:00 a.m.
     Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Ze Mse 6/7/08 1:05 p.m.
     Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Omega 6/7/08 4:26 p.m.
           Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Avateur 6/7/08 5:28 p.m.
           Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?De Laal 6/7/08 10:22 p.m.
                 Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?De Laal 6/7/08 10:26 p.m.
                 Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Avateur 6/7/08 10:43 p.m.
                 Correctyakaman 6/8/08 10:39 a.m.
                       Re: CorrectSPARTAN-034 6/8/08 11:01 a.m.
                       Re: CorrectBry 6/8/08 3:00 p.m.
                             Re: Correctyakaman 6/8/08 5:29 p.m.
                                   Re: CorrectBry 6/8/08 6:48 p.m.
                                         Re: CorrectCthulhu117 6/8/08 7:24 p.m.
                                               Re: CorrectBry 6/8/08 8:10 p.m.
                                               Re: CorrectAvateur 6/8/08 9:53 p.m.
                                                     Re: Correctelpolloguapo 6/9/08 10:09 a.m.
                                                           You Suck *NM*Don 6/9/08 11:44 a.m.
                                         No-Clipping FishSonofMacPhisto 6/11/08 12:50 a.m.
                                   Beating that horse, nice and hardDe Laal 6/8/08 11:47 p.m.
                                         Just some speculation...Free Weights 6/9/08 1:48 p.m.
                       Re: Correctasd1070 6/12/08 11:05 p.m.
                             Re: CorrectDirkgently 6/13/08 8:26 a.m.
                                   Re: Correctasd1070 6/15/08 3:41 p.m.
                                         Re: CorrectDirkgently 6/16/08 3:29 a.m.
     Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?General Vagueness 6/9/08 8:56 p.m.
           Sorry about the errorsGeneral Vagueness 6/9/08 8:58 p.m.
           Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Omega 6/9/08 10:11 p.m.
                 Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Kurk 6/10/08 12:41 a.m.
                       Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Speedhuntr 6/10/08 1:29 a.m.
                             Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Avateur 6/10/08 3:24 a.m.
                                   Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Urban Reflex 6/10/08 3:52 a.m.
                                         Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Cthulhu117 6/10/08 5:56 a.m.
                                         Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?yakaman 6/10/08 8:28 a.m.
                                               Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Urban Reflex 6/10/08 9:22 a.m.
                                         Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Speedhuntr 6/10/08 11:55 a.m.
                                               Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Don 6/10/08 12:09 p.m.
                                                     Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Speedhuntr 6/10/08 12:12 p.m.
                       Halo Effect absolutely kills Floodyakaman 6/10/08 8:23 a.m.
                             Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodEmpty Set 6/10/08 10:44 a.m.
                                   Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodSpeedhuntr 6/10/08 11:52 a.m.
                                         Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills Flood7he grunt w/a plasma pistol 6/10/08 3:11 p.m.
                                   Nice post.yakaman 6/10/08 12:50 p.m.
                                         Re: Nice post.GatchamanUK 6/10/08 1:30 p.m.
                                         Re: Nice post.Empty Set 6/10/08 4:11 p.m.
                                               All right, here's the problem here.Cthulhu117 6/10/08 8:16 p.m.
                                                     Re: All right, here's the problem here.yakaman 6/11/08 8:13 a.m.
                                                     Re: All right, here's the problem here.Empty Set 6/11/08 10:23 a.m.
                                                           Re: All right, here's the problem here.Dirkgently 6/12/08 6:11 p.m.
                                               Re: Nice post.yakaman 6/11/08 8:18 a.m.
                                         Keyes Wasn't a GM FormSonofMacPhisto 6/11/08 12:44 a.m.
                                               Re: Keyes Wasn't a GM Formelpolloguapo 6/11/08 9:59 a.m.
                                         Did GM survive the Array?Capt Spanish 6/13/08 1:37 a.m.
                                               I agree whole-heartedlyyakaman 6/13/08 12:23 p.m.
                                                     Re: I agree whole-heartedlyDHalo 6/13/08 2:52 p.m.
                                                           Re: I agree whole-heartedlyDirkgently 6/13/08 3:32 p.m.
                                                                 Re: I agree whole-heartedlyDHalo 6/13/08 4:03 p.m.
                                                           It absolutely kills Flood, and Gravemind.yakaman 6/13/08 4:33 p.m.
                                                                 Well said *NM*scarab 6/13/08 4:39 p.m.
                                                                 Re: It absolutely kills Flood, and Gravemind.DHalo 6/13/08 4:50 p.m.
                                                                       Halo: Story Evolvedscarab 6/13/08 5:44 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Halo: Story EvolvedDirkgently 6/13/08 6:14 p.m.
                                                                                   No, I misremembered. *NM*scarab 6/14/08 12:35 a.m.
                                                                       Re: It absolutely kills Flood, and Gravemind.Dirkgently 6/13/08 6:06 p.m.
                                                           Re: I agree whole-heartedlyStephen L. (SoundEffect) 6/13/08 8:30 p.m.
                                                                 Heh. It doesn't get more direct than that. *NM*yakaman 6/14/08 7:31 a.m.
                                               Re: Did GM survive the Array?Empty Set 6/13/08 6:30 p.m.
                                                     Re: Did GM survive the Array?DHalo 6/13/08 6:55 p.m.
                                                           Re: Did GM survive the Array?Dirkgently 6/13/08 7:01 p.m.
                                                     Re: Did GM survive the Array?Capt Spanish 6/13/08 7:21 p.m.
                             My opinion's out there on thiselpolloguapo 6/10/08 10:52 a.m.
                             Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodPeptuck 6/10/08 12:03 p.m.
                                   Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills Floodyakaman 6/10/08 12:52 p.m.
                                   Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills Floodelpolloguapo 6/10/08 2:05 p.m.
                                         Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodCthulhu117 6/10/08 8:27 p.m.
                                               Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills Floodelpolloguapo 6/10/08 8:33 p.m.
                                                     Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodCthulhu117 6/10/08 8:51 p.m.
                                                           Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills Floodelpolloguapo 6/10/08 9:00 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodFree Weights 6/10/08 11:04 p.m.
                                                                       Halo effect uses Flood telepathy ;-)scarab 6/11/08 1:13 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Halo effect uses Flood telepathy ;-)free weights 6/11/08 8:00 a.m.
                             Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodBry 6/10/08 6:16 p.m.
                                   Is that like being only slightly pregnant? *NM*scarab 6/11/08 1:16 a.m.
                                         HaBry 6/11/08 3:56 a.m.
                                         Re: Is that like being only slightly pregnant?elessar787 6/12/08 12:05 a.m.
                                               All together now: EEEWWWWWWWW *NM*General Vagueness 6/12/08 7:54 a.m.



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