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Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?
Posted By: De Laal <paradox_113@yahoo.com>Date: 6/7/08 10:22 p.m.

In Response To: Re: The Smuggler, Part 2? (Omega)


: All of the information necessary to place these in the overall timeline is
: contained within: LOG: QUERIED ADJACENT FACILITIES says that 874068942
: hours, 4 minutes, and 46 seconds have passed since an outside agent
: accessed Delta Halo. Thatís 99713.3117 years (given a 365.2425 day year).
: REPORT: SECURITY BREACH was sent 2512332 hours, 14 minutes, and 6 seconds
: after initial containment failure. Thatís 286.6055 years (given a 365.2425
: day year). 286.6055 + 99713.3117 = 9999.9172 years. Iíll call that 100,000
: years for the sake of the simplicity.

: Now itís certain that the initial containment failure occurred in the 2260s
: and that the security breach occurred in 2552, most likely from the
: Gravemind transporting the chief to High Charity (the arbiter is
: teleported within the ring, which I wouldnít consider a breach of
: security. LOG: UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO FACILITIES must be the Gravemind
: taking control of 2401 PT and the teleportation grid, an indefinite period
: of time before the security breach.

: The question Iíll end with is this: If REPORT: SECURITY BREACH takes place
: during the events of Halo 2, then does REPORT: DERELICTION OF DUTY
: coincide with some event from the novels or Halo 3?

I agree with you here -

I've often wondered about the nature of the Flood's outbreak on the Delta Halo - it's extremely unclear (referring ONLY to the events of Halo 2, not to these logs) in Halo 2 whether or not the Flood had already been released/broken out, or if the Covenant had made much the same mistake as they had on the Alpha Halo - releasing the Flood.

If the first is correct, which it seems to be, given the nature of the "superintendent logs," that the Flood had been released due to mechanical failure in containment systems (or external sabotage?) then I have to wonder as to how the Flood managed to subvert/capture Penitent Tangent - presumably the Forerunner wouldn't keep Gravemind-level specimens in their Flood containment/research centers. If I'm correct that the bio-mass of the Flood was limited to Infection forms only, it doesn't seem to me that Penitent Tangent could have been captured as quickly as it appears that he was here (a matter of hours). After all, there were not (presumably) any viable hosts for the Flood to infect and consume and transform into Combat forms and eventually, a Gravemind...

Which points to the second possible/plausible method of the Flood's release on the Delta Halo - external intervention (sabotage, as suggested by Avateur) - but not by the Covenant or Humanity circa Halo 2, because these logs mention a date almost three hundred years before the events of Halo 2 - in 2552 (2512332 hours is approximately 286 years, hence Omega's guess at 2260).

And yet the logs also state that there had been no external exploration of the installations for approx. 99713 years, plus or minus seven, from a date 286 years ago. Omega also alludes to this - if you add the time elapsed from external incursion and the time since outbreak, the sum is roughly 100,000 years. Which is presumably the length of time since the initial firing of the Halo array. The mentioning of a lack of external intervention for ninety-nine thousand years plus, seems to imply that sabotage is a possibility. Is, in fact, quite likely.

Thus, if the Forerunner only kept Infection-level Flood forms for study (as indicated by the Gas-Mine facility on/in Threshold in Halo 2, and the implied destruction of the Gravemind from the Halo effect mentioned in Halo 3's terminals) it's more than likely that a bit less than three hundred years since the events of the Halo series SOMEBODY found the Delta Halo, released the Flood, and provided sufficient bio-mass for the Flood to both assemble a Gravemind and capture Penitent Tangent... without giving the Flood a ship with faster-than-light capabilities.


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The Smuggler, Part 2?Avateur 6/7/08 4:00 a.m.
     Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Ze MÝÝse 6/7/08 1:05 p.m.
     Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Omega 6/7/08 4:26 p.m.
           Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Avateur 6/7/08 5:28 p.m.
           Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?De Laal 6/7/08 10:22 p.m.
                 Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?De Laal 6/7/08 10:26 p.m.
                 Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Avateur 6/7/08 10:43 p.m.
                 Correctyakaman 6/8/08 10:39 a.m.
                       Re: CorrectSPARTAN-034 6/8/08 11:01 a.m.
                       Re: CorrectBry 6/8/08 3:00 p.m.
                             Re: Correctyakaman 6/8/08 5:29 p.m.
                                   Re: CorrectBry 6/8/08 6:48 p.m.
                                         Re: CorrectCthulhu117 6/8/08 7:24 p.m.
                                               Re: CorrectBry 6/8/08 8:10 p.m.
                                               Re: CorrectAvateur 6/8/08 9:53 p.m.
                                                     Re: Correctelpolloguapo 6/9/08 10:09 a.m.
                                                           You Suck *NM*Don 6/9/08 11:44 a.m.
                                         No-Clipping FishSonofMacPhisto 6/11/08 12:50 a.m.
                                   Beating that horse, nice and hardDe Laal 6/8/08 11:47 p.m.
                                         Just some speculation...Free Weights 6/9/08 1:48 p.m.
                       Re: Correctasd1070 6/12/08 11:05 p.m.
                             Re: CorrectDirkgently 6/13/08 8:26 a.m.
                                   Re: Correctasd1070 6/15/08 3:41 p.m.
                                         Re: CorrectDirkgently 6/16/08 3:29 a.m.
     Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?General Vagueness 6/9/08 8:56 p.m.
           Sorry about the errorsGeneral Vagueness 6/9/08 8:58 p.m.
           Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Omega 6/9/08 10:11 p.m.
                 Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Kurk 6/10/08 12:41 a.m.
                       Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Speedhuntr 6/10/08 1:29 a.m.
                             Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Avateur 6/10/08 3:24 a.m.
                                   Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Urban Reflex 6/10/08 3:52 a.m.
                                         Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Cthulhu117 6/10/08 5:56 a.m.
                                         Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?yakaman 6/10/08 8:28 a.m.
                                               Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Urban Reflex 6/10/08 9:22 a.m.
                                         Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Speedhuntr 6/10/08 11:55 a.m.
                                               Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Don 6/10/08 12:09 p.m.
                                                     Re: The Smuggler, Part 2?Speedhuntr 6/10/08 12:12 p.m.
                       Halo Effect absolutely kills Floodyakaman 6/10/08 8:23 a.m.
                             Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodEmpty Set 6/10/08 10:44 a.m.
                                   Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodSpeedhuntr 6/10/08 11:52 a.m.
                                         Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills Flood7he grunt w/a plasma pistol 6/10/08 3:11 p.m.
                                   Nice post.yakaman 6/10/08 12:50 p.m.
                                         Re: Nice post.GatchamanUK 6/10/08 1:30 p.m.
                                         Re: Nice post.Empty Set 6/10/08 4:11 p.m.
                                               All right, here's the problem here.Cthulhu117 6/10/08 8:16 p.m.
                                                     Re: All right, here's the problem here.yakaman 6/11/08 8:13 a.m.
                                                     Re: All right, here's the problem here.Empty Set 6/11/08 10:23 a.m.
                                                           Re: All right, here's the problem here.Dirkgently 6/12/08 6:11 p.m.
                                               Re: Nice post.yakaman 6/11/08 8:18 a.m.
                                         Keyes Wasn't a GM FormSonofMacPhisto 6/11/08 12:44 a.m.
                                               Re: Keyes Wasn't a GM Formelpolloguapo 6/11/08 9:59 a.m.
                                         Did GM survive the Array?Capt Spanish 6/13/08 1:37 a.m.
                                               I agree whole-heartedlyyakaman 6/13/08 12:23 p.m.
                                                     Re: I agree whole-heartedlyDHalo 6/13/08 2:52 p.m.
                                                           Re: I agree whole-heartedlyDirkgently 6/13/08 3:32 p.m.
                                                                 Re: I agree whole-heartedlyDHalo 6/13/08 4:03 p.m.
                                                           It absolutely kills Flood, and Gravemind.yakaman 6/13/08 4:33 p.m.
                                                                 Well said *NM*scarab 6/13/08 4:39 p.m.
                                                                 Re: It absolutely kills Flood, and Gravemind.DHalo 6/13/08 4:50 p.m.
                                                                       Halo: Story Evolvedscarab 6/13/08 5:44 p.m.
                                                                             Re: Halo: Story EvolvedDirkgently 6/13/08 6:14 p.m.
                                                                                   No, I misremembered. *NM*scarab 6/14/08 12:35 a.m.
                                                                       Re: It absolutely kills Flood, and Gravemind.Dirkgently 6/13/08 6:06 p.m.
                                                           Re: I agree whole-heartedlyStephen L. (SoundEffect) 6/13/08 8:30 p.m.
                                                                 Heh. It doesn't get more direct than that. *NM*yakaman 6/14/08 7:31 a.m.
                                               Re: Did GM survive the Array?Empty Set 6/13/08 6:30 p.m.
                                                     Re: Did GM survive the Array?DHalo 6/13/08 6:55 p.m.
                                                           Re: Did GM survive the Array?Dirkgently 6/13/08 7:01 p.m.
                                                     Re: Did GM survive the Array?Capt Spanish 6/13/08 7:21 p.m.
                             My opinion's out there on thiselpolloguapo 6/10/08 10:52 a.m.
                             Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodPeptuck 6/10/08 12:03 p.m.
                                   Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills Floodyakaman 6/10/08 12:52 p.m.
                                   Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills Floodelpolloguapo 6/10/08 2:05 p.m.
                                         Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodCthulhu117 6/10/08 8:27 p.m.
                                               Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills Floodelpolloguapo 6/10/08 8:33 p.m.
                                                     Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodCthulhu117 6/10/08 8:51 p.m.
                                                           Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills Floodelpolloguapo 6/10/08 9:00 p.m.
                                                                 Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodFree Weights 6/10/08 11:04 p.m.
                                                                       Halo effect uses Flood telepathy ;-)scarab 6/11/08 1:13 a.m.
                                                                             Re: Halo effect uses Flood telepathy ;-)free weights 6/11/08 8:00 a.m.
                             Re: Halo Effect absolutely kills FloodBry 6/10/08 6:16 p.m.
                                   Is that like being only slightly pregnant? *NM*scarab 6/11/08 1:16 a.m.
                                         HaBry 6/11/08 3:56 a.m.
                                         Re: Is that like being only slightly pregnant?elessar787 6/12/08 12:05 a.m.
                                               All together now: EEEWWWWWWWW *NM*General Vagueness 6/12/08 7:54 a.m.



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