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My ideal scenario
Posted By: wafermouse <bumpycarrot@gmail.com>	Date: 3/19/08 5:03 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Sidewinder's back, baby! (sketchfactor) : It does raise the question though.. how would people feel if some "quick : ports" were done at some point in time? Would it be better to have : something that perhaps had less visual upgrades and pizazz but was a : perfect copy of an original? For hypothetical argument's sake, assume that : such a map would be priced differently - As a player I'd expect something : like that to probably cost less than a full blown fancy glorious new map. : So it really comes down to what would people want more? some quick and dirty : "ports" that were 99% accurate to the originals and perhaps : available in more volume or fewer, better looking re-designed maps?... Or : just completely original maps altogether and no more throw-backs to the : old days. I think that quick and dirty ports are definitely something that Bungie should consider, with myself, at the moment, weighing slightly more heavily on the side in favour. I think Bungie should do what they feel is best for the old maps, though. I think very, very, very, very few people want to see Chiron remade, so that, for example, could be left out. Conversely, some maps are so well loved that a straight port without visual improvements would be ill advised, eg. Lockout. I say lack of visual improvement, because at least in Lockout particularly, I don't see any problems with the layout of the map for Halo 3. Some maps from Halo 1 would need geometry changes to account for H3's character mechanics, so obviously a dirty port wouldn't be the best idea for them, Damnation springs to mind for this category (I'm no game dev, but I think that H2's mechanics are similar enough to H3's that H2 maps could be dropped straight into H3). In an ideal blue sky alternate dimension, I perceive the following categories for past Halo maps: * Halo 2 maps excluding Lockout (feel free to add your own must-excludes) as quick and dirty ports, particularly including Tombstone and Desolation (they need another chance and are already pretty beautiful). * Highly popular Halo 2 maps given visually upgraded ports (see previous exclusions). * Reimagined old maps a la Guardian, Avalanche etc. as Bungie sees fit. * Less popular maps not made. * Halo 1 maps not remade in Halo 2, and maps exclusive to PC versions, assessed according to popularity for possible full on remakes, reimaginings, visual upgrades, dirty ports, basically spanning the breadth of the other categories. Obviously the previously mentioned character mechanics would play a large role in this. Bear in mind how blue sky I consider that scenario to be, I'm already happy with the current arrangement, but I think even a third of what I'm suggesting would be super-awesome. That said, I'm still holding out for Bungie sourcing someone else to faithfully reimplement H1 and H2 in H3's engine with new visual assets and all of H3's gameplay modes, but I wont hold my breathe :)

Message Index

Sidewinder's back, baby!	Gravemind	3/19/08 1:01 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Omega	3/19/08 1:04 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Gravemind	3/19/08 1:18 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Louis Wu	3/19/08 8:46 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Omega	3/19/08 10:37 a.m.
Whoa. That was close. *NM*	Gravemind	3/19/08 1:23 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby! *NM*	RiveR	3/19/08 11:41 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	RiveR	3/19/08 11:54 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	xenøs	3/20/08 6:00 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Gravemind	3/19/08 1:05 a.m.
So pretty... *NM*	Eiii	3/19/08 1:33 a.m.
Do the Mancannons shoot you OVER the central wall?	Leviathan	3/19/08 1:40 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	gunluva	3/19/08 1:44 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	InnerRayg	3/19/08 1:57 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Ragashingo	3/19/08 2:07 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Zerowind117	3/19/08 2:45 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	ACEfanatic02	3/19/08 3:11 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Avateur	3/19/08 3:29 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	FyreWulff	3/19/08 3:58 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	DiscipleN2k	3/19/08 1:03 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Louis Wu	3/19/08 1:17 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	DiscipleN2k	3/19/08 2:59 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Ragashingo	3/19/08 8:40 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	sketchfactor	3/19/08 2:11 p.m.
Won't physics be an issue??	Boxer	3/19/08 3:01 p.m.
Tombstone (R.I.P.)	Stuntmutt	3/19/08 3:01 p.m.
Re: Tombstone (R.I.P.)	BolognaFire	3/19/08 3:12 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Ragashingo	3/19/08 3:07 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Urban Reflex	3/19/08 3:59 p.m.
Wow, nobody has replied to this yet?	SinisterSamurai	3/19/08 3:14 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Dustbunny27	3/19/08 3:16 p.m.
Re: Do it Sketch!	Devin Olsen	3/19/08 3:32 p.m.
I'm torn	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	3/19/08 3:35 p.m.
Ahem. "Classic Sack" maybe? *NM*	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	3/19/08 3:37 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	elessar787	3/19/08 3:37 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	sketchfactor	3/19/08 3:52 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Urban Reflex	3/19/08 4:04 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Bootsman	3/19/08 6:55 p.m.
Better/Slower > Faster/Crappier	ToastyKen	3/20/08 6:56 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	calmkiller	3/20/08 10:08 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	NOKYARD	3/20/08 11:12 a.m.
I would settle for some extra large cracked decal *NM*	SinisterSamurai	3/20/08 11:24 a.m.
+ audio of the ice cracking & popping *NM*	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	3/20/08 12:32 p.m.
True *NM*	SinisterSamurai	3/20/08 12:46 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Nevan	3/19/08 3:46 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Urban Reflex	3/19/08 3:51 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Slothboy	3/19/08 3:52 p.m.
Verticality!	sorahn	3/19/08 4:03 p.m.
Re: Verticality!	Urban Reflex	3/19/08 4:11 p.m.
Re: Verticality! === Construct *NM*	Magni Harvald	3/19/08 5:01 p.m.
ramps or raised platforms =/= grav lifts :( *NM*	BolognaFire	3/19/08 5:08 p.m.
Re: ramps or raised platforms =/= grav lifts :(	Ducain	3/19/08 5:21 p.m.
Re: Verticality! === PRISONER	makaveli0360	3/19/08 4:19 p.m.
Re: Verticality! === Boarding Action	bluerunner	3/19/08 4:29 p.m.
Re: Verticality! === Boarding Action	sketchfactor	3/19/08 5:37 p.m.
Re: Verticality! === Boarding Action	SinisterSamurai	3/19/08 7:09 p.m.
NOW HERES A MAN THAT TALKS SENSE /\	nomis78	3/19/08 9:40 p.m.
Sor, there is Isolation. That map confuses.	Mr. Kint	3/21/08 3:25 p.m.
Doesn't Construct fit the bill? *NM*	pete_the_duck	3/21/08 4:12 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Cody Miller	3/19/08 4:03 p.m.
Tombstone=please god no	makaveli0360	3/19/08 4:18 p.m.
Re: Tombstone=please god no	wafermouse	3/19/08 5:26 p.m.
Re: Tombstone=please god no	Duncan	3/19/08 6:17 p.m.
Re: Tombstone=please god no	Magni Harvald	3/19/08 6:22 p.m.
Halo 2 Map pack + question	sorahn	3/19/08 4:31 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	xMixMasterx	3/19/08 4:43 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Psychophan7	3/19/08 4:44 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Grimlock	3/19/08 7:12 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Don	3/19/08 4:46 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	QuickTactical	3/19/08 5:01 p.m.
My ideal scenario	wafermouse	3/19/08 5:03 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	jazo	3/19/08 5:20 p.m.
Please! My top 7.	Duncan	3/19/08 6:08 p.m.
Re: Please! My top 7.	Magni Harvald	3/19/08 6:20 p.m.
Here's my thoughts sketch.	VVM	3/19/08 7:24 p.m.
Good points, all	Jordan117	3/20/08 5:03 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Black Six	3/19/08 9:33 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Avateur	3/19/08 10:20 p.m.
Response to the question	InnerRayg	3/20/08 3:13 a.m.
Thanks Bungie! My response *long*	Awe Venger	3/20/08 4:36 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	xenøs	3/20/08 7:30 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	discopete019	3/20/08 9:23 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	serpx	3/20/08 10:54 a.m.
Enough about Sidewinder. Where's Prisoner?!	Boxer	3/20/08 11:01 a.m.
With Halo 2 & 3's fall physics, Prisoner would be-	SinisterSamurai	3/20/08 11:28 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	FyreWulff	3/21/08 5:50 p.m.
Another opinion on map pricing and packaging	FyreWulff	3/21/08 5:58 p.m.
Re: Another opinion on map pricing and packaging	elpolloguapo	3/21/08 7:39 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Avateur	3/19/08 1:51 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	vlad3163	3/19/08 1:58 a.m.
Lars Bakken was WRONG	Jordan117	3/19/08 2:04 a.m.
Re: Lars Bakken was WRONG	Xmoosev3	3/19/08 4:06 a.m.
Re: Lars Bakken was WRONG	FyreWulff	3/19/08 4:27 a.m.
Re: Lars Bakken was WRONG	BolognaFire	3/19/08 5:57 a.m.
Re: Lars Bakken was WRONG	Xmoosev3	3/19/08 8:25 a.m.
OMG thead is shaped like Sidewinder *NM*	Delicious Pie	3/19/08 1:13 p.m.
Re: Lars Bakken was WRONG	sketchfactor	3/19/08 2:13 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	FyreWulff	3/19/08 2:24 a.m.
Anyone else spot the teleporter in the base?	ACEfanatic02	3/19/08 2:26 a.m.
Time to bust out the jackets.	VVM	3/19/08 2:36 a.m.
One Word: Teleporters. WOOT WOOT!!! *NM*	Zerowind117	3/19/08 2:38 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	343winks.	3/19/08 2:45 a.m.
thats a whole lotta man cannon	nomis78	3/19/08 7:58 a.m.
Re: thats a whole lotta man cannon	Omega	3/19/08 8:33 a.m.
...That's it?	Psychophan7	3/19/08 9:26 a.m.
You know...	Simpsons Rule	3/19/08 9:42 a.m.
:argh:	Hawaiian Pig	3/19/08 11:28 a.m.
Re: ...That's it?	Louis Wu	3/19/08 9:43 a.m.
Re: ...That's it?	Psychophan7	3/19/08 10:04 a.m.
Re: ...That's it?	Miguel Chavez	3/19/08 11:18 a.m.
Re: ...That's it?	sketchfactor	3/19/08 2:20 p.m.
Are we going to see rocket cliff ?	SPARTAN 294	3/19/08 3:13 p.m.
Re: Are we going to see rocket cliff ?	sketchfactor	3/19/08 3:56 p.m.
Re: Are we going to see rocket cliff ?	Moose Lord	3/19/08 4:08 p.m.
Re: Are we going to see rocket cliff ?	DiscipleN2k	3/19/08 4:20 p.m.
Re: Are we going to see rocket cliff ?	sketchfactor	3/19/08 4:22 p.m.
Dream come true for me!	Burr	3/19/08 5:18 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Cody Miller	3/19/08 10:39 a.m.
Please keep the ice patches!	Elite Spartan II	3/19/08 5:41 p.m.
Re: Or Rocket Race *NM*	SinisterSamurai	3/19/08 7:14 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	AnEternalEnigma	3/19/08 5:54 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	VRaptorX	3/20/08 9:12 a.m.