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Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!
Posted By: Cody MillerDate: 3/19/08 4:03 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Sidewinder's back, baby! (sketchfactor)


: It does raise the question though.. how would people feel if some "quick
: ports" were done at some point in time? Would it be better to have
: something that perhaps had less visual upgrades and pizazz but was a
: perfect copy of an original? For hypothetical argument's sake, assume that
: such a map would be priced differently - As a player I'd expect something
: like that to probably cost less than a full blown fancy glorious new map.

: So it really comes down to what would people want more? some quick and dirty
: "ports" that were 99% accurate to the originals and perhaps
: available in more volume or fewer, better looking re-designed maps?... Or
: just completely original maps altogether and no more throw-backs to the
: old days.

I would have to say that I would rather Bungie focus on new maps. I'll explain.

I can't really see straight up ports being that much fun on Xbox live. Live just doesn't seem conducive to the type of play that a lot of the Halo 1 maps promote over a LAN. You could certainly do a straight port and have it be fun for slayer (except Chiron, that wasn't fun under any circumstances). But if sidewinder is an example, the fact that it's over a LAN makes people stick it out, so the (often) long games of CTF are enjoyable. I don't expect everybody to stick it out for 45 minutes on Xbox live. If I were at a LAN party, why play the ports when we could fire up Halo 1 and play the real thing? As you guys have noted, you need to change the map to make it faster paced.

I also don't expect live to have the variety of game types that made those maps fun. Some just aren't even in Halo 3. I guess rocket race could stand in for race on sidewinder, but nothing can stand in for Assault on Hang Em High with flag at home to score. Everybody Vetos King, but that's what Hang Em High rocked for. Plus, AR starts would give the guy on the hill a huge advantage. There's nothing like pistol fire from all directions to keep him on his toes! Lack of fall damage would make it a whole new game too. Slayer will probably always work, but CTF may or may not due to game length.

My taste in gametypes might be unique, so don't use those specific examples as points for my argument, but Halo 3 is a different game, there's no question. I guess the bottom line is that I don't think Halo 3 and live could capture what made those maps original to begin with, or recreate the Halo 1 experience. That being the whole point of wanting the maps in the first place, I would rather have Bungie work on making new great maps, tailored to suit Halo 3, and guaranteed to be fun.


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Sidewinder's back, baby!Gravemind 3/19/08 1:01 a.m.
     Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Omega 3/19/08 1:04 a.m.
           Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Gravemind 3/19/08 1:18 a.m.
           Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Louis Wu 3/19/08 8:46 a.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Omega 3/19/08 10:37 a.m.
                       Whoa. That was close. *NM*Gravemind 3/19/08 1:23 p.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby! *NM*RiveR 3/19/08 11:41 p.m.
                       Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!RiveR 3/19/08 11:54 p.m.
                             Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!xenøs 3/20/08 6:00 a.m.
     Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Gravemind 3/19/08 1:05 a.m.
     So pretty... *NM*Eiii 3/19/08 1:33 a.m.
     Do the Mancannons shoot you OVER the central wall?Leviathan 3/19/08 1:40 a.m.
     Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!gunluva 3/19/08 1:44 a.m.
           Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!InnerRayg 3/19/08 1:57 a.m.
           Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Ragashingo 3/19/08 2:07 a.m.
           Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Zerowind117 3/19/08 2:45 a.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!ACEfanatic02 3/19/08 3:11 a.m.
                       Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Avateur 3/19/08 3:29 a.m.
                             Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!FyreWulff 3/19/08 3:58 a.m.
                       Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!DiscipleN2k 3/19/08 1:03 p.m.
                             Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Louis Wu 3/19/08 1:17 p.m.
                                   Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!DiscipleN2k 3/19/08 2:59 p.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Ragashingo 3/19/08 8:40 a.m.
           Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!sketchfactor 3/19/08 2:11 p.m.
                 Won't physics be an issue??Boxer 3/19/08 3:01 p.m.
                 Tombstone (R.I.P.)Stuntmutt 3/19/08 3:01 p.m.
                       Re: Tombstone (R.I.P.)BolognaFire 3/19/08 3:12 p.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Ragashingo 3/19/08 3:07 p.m.
                       Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Urban Reflex 3/19/08 3:59 p.m.
                 Wow, nobody has replied to this yet?SinisterSamurai 3/19/08 3:14 p.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Dustbunny27 3/19/08 3:16 p.m.
                 Re: Do it Sketch!Devin Olsen 3/19/08 3:32 p.m.
                 I'm tornAnton P. Nym (aka Steve) 3/19/08 3:35 p.m.
                       Ahem. "Classic Sack" maybe? *NM*Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 3/19/08 3:37 p.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!elessar787 3/19/08 3:37 p.m.
                       Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!sketchfactor 3/19/08 3:52 p.m.
                             Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Urban Reflex 3/19/08 4:04 p.m.
                             Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Bootsman 3/19/08 6:55 p.m.
                             Better/Slower > Faster/CrappierToastyKen 3/20/08 6:56 a.m.
                             Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!calmkiller 3/20/08 10:08 a.m.
                             Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!NOKYARD 3/20/08 11:12 a.m.
                                   I would settle for some extra large cracked decal *NM*SinisterSamurai 3/20/08 11:24 a.m.
                                         + audio of the ice cracking & popping *NM*Anton P. Nym (aka Steve) 3/20/08 12:32 p.m.
                                               True *NM*SinisterSamurai 3/20/08 12:46 p.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Nevan 3/19/08 3:46 p.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Urban Reflex 3/19/08 3:51 p.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Slothboy 3/19/08 3:52 p.m.
                 Verticality!sorahn 3/19/08 4:03 p.m.
                       Re: Verticality!Urban Reflex 3/19/08 4:11 p.m.
                             Re: Verticality! === Construct *NM*Magni Harvald 3/19/08 5:01 p.m.
                                   ramps or raised platforms =/= grav lifts :( *NM*BolognaFire 3/19/08 5:08 p.m.
                                         Re: ramps or raised platforms =/= grav lifts :(Ducain 3/19/08 5:21 p.m.
                       Re: Verticality! === PRISONERmakaveli0360 3/19/08 4:19 p.m.
                             Re: Verticality! === Boarding Actionbluerunner 3/19/08 4:29 p.m.
                                   Re: Verticality! === Boarding Actionsketchfactor 3/19/08 5:37 p.m.
                                         Re: Verticality! === Boarding ActionSinisterSamurai 3/19/08 7:09 p.m.
                                               NOW HERES A MAN THAT TALKS SENSE /\nomis78 3/19/08 9:40 p.m.
                       Sor, there is Isolation. That map confuses.Mr. Kint 3/21/08 3:25 p.m.
                       Doesn't Construct fit the bill? *NM*pete_the_duck 3/21/08 4:12 p.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Cody Miller 3/19/08 4:03 p.m.
                 Tombstone=please god nomakaveli0360 3/19/08 4:18 p.m.
                       Re: Tombstone=please god nowafermouse 3/19/08 5:26 p.m.
                             Re: Tombstone=please god noDuncan 3/19/08 6:17 p.m.
                                   Re: Tombstone=please god noMagni Harvald 3/19/08 6:22 p.m.
                 Halo 2 Map pack + questionsorahn 3/19/08 4:31 p.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!xMixMasterx 3/19/08 4:43 p.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Psychophan7 3/19/08 4:44 p.m.
                       Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Grimlock 3/19/08 7:12 p.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Don 3/19/08 4:46 p.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!QuickTactical 3/19/08 5:01 p.m.
                 My ideal scenariowafermouse 3/19/08 5:03 p.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!jazo 3/19/08 5:20 p.m.
                 Please! My top 7.Duncan 3/19/08 6:08 p.m.
                       Re: Please! My top 7.Magni Harvald 3/19/08 6:20 p.m.
                 Here's my thoughts sketch.VVM 3/19/08 7:24 p.m.
                       Good points, allJordan117 3/20/08 5:03 a.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Black Six 3/19/08 9:33 p.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Avateur 3/19/08 10:20 p.m.
                 Response to the questionInnerRayg 3/20/08 3:13 a.m.
                 Thanks Bungie! My response *long*Awe Venger 3/20/08 4:36 a.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!xenøs 3/20/08 7:30 a.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!discopete019 3/20/08 9:23 a.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!serpx 3/20/08 10:54 a.m.
                 Enough about Sidewinder. Where's Prisoner?!Boxer 3/20/08 11:01 a.m.
                       With Halo 2 & 3's fall physics, Prisoner would be-SinisterSamurai 3/20/08 11:28 a.m.
                 Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!FyreWulff 3/21/08 5:50 p.m.
                 Another opinion on map pricing and packagingFyreWulff 3/21/08 5:58 p.m.
                       Re: Another opinion on map pricing and packagingelpolloguapo 3/21/08 7:39 p.m.
     Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Avateur 3/19/08 1:51 a.m.
     Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!vlad3163 3/19/08 1:58 a.m.
     Lars Bakken was WRONGJordan117 3/19/08 2:04 a.m.
           Re: Lars Bakken was WRONGXmoosev3 3/19/08 4:06 a.m.
                 Re: Lars Bakken was WRONGFyreWulff 3/19/08 4:27 a.m.
                       Re: Lars Bakken was WRONGBolognaFire 3/19/08 5:57 a.m.
                             Re: Lars Bakken was WRONGXmoosev3 3/19/08 8:25 a.m.
                                   OMG thead is shaped like Sidewinder *NM*Delicious Pie 3/19/08 1:13 p.m.
           Re: Lars Bakken was WRONGsketchfactor 3/19/08 2:13 p.m.
     Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!FyreWulff 3/19/08 2:24 a.m.
     Anyone else spot the teleporter in the base?ACEfanatic02 3/19/08 2:26 a.m.
           Time to bust out the jackets.VVM 3/19/08 2:36 a.m.
     One Word: Teleporters. WOOT WOOT!!! *NM*Zerowind117 3/19/08 2:38 a.m.
     Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!343winks. 3/19/08 2:45 a.m.
     thats a whole lotta man cannonnomis78 3/19/08 7:58 a.m.
           Re: thats a whole lotta man cannonOmega 3/19/08 8:33 a.m.
     ...That's it?Psychophan7 3/19/08 9:26 a.m.
           You know...Simpsons Rule 3/19/08 9:42 a.m.
                 :argh:Hawaiian Pig 3/19/08 11:28 a.m.
           Re: ...That's it?Louis Wu 3/19/08 9:43 a.m.
                 Re: ...That's it?Psychophan7 3/19/08 10:04 a.m.
                       Re: ...That's it?Miguel Chavez 3/19/08 11:18 a.m.
           Re: ...That's it?sketchfactor 3/19/08 2:20 p.m.
                 Are we going to see rocket cliff ?SPARTAN 294 3/19/08 3:13 p.m.
                       Re: Are we going to see rocket cliff ?sketchfactor 3/19/08 3:56 p.m.
                             Re: Are we going to see rocket cliff ?Moose Lord 3/19/08 4:08 p.m.
                                   Re: Are we going to see rocket cliff ?DiscipleN2k 3/19/08 4:20 p.m.
                                         Re: Are we going to see rocket cliff ?sketchfactor 3/19/08 4:22 p.m.
                                               Dream come true for me!Burr 3/19/08 5:18 p.m.
     Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!Cody Miller 3/19/08 10:39 a.m.
     Please keep the ice patches!Elite Spartan II 3/19/08 5:41 p.m.
           Re: Or Rocket Race *NM*SinisterSamurai 3/19/08 7:14 p.m.
     Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!AnEternalEnigma 3/19/08 5:54 p.m.
     Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!VRaptorX 3/20/08 9:12 a.m.



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