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Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!
Posted By: sketchfactor <bjarrard@bungie.com>	Date: 3/19/08 2:11 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Sidewinder's back, baby! (gunluva) : Awesome. Minor complaints, though. When are we ever going to see a straight : up remake? This map is gorgeous, but aside from the U-shaped snowy canyon, : so much is just different. It's like Guardian and Valhalla. They're : spiritual successors, but they aren't quite what they're based on. Having : said that, the map still looks fun. I wonder what the Forge pallet is : like? Well for what it's worth... Avalanche is MUCH more similar to the original Sidewinder than Guardian-Lockout or Valhalla-Gulch. Neither of those two were actually intended to be true successors to earlier maps though we referred them as "spiritual" successors just in their general style of play. Avalanche is a true re-imagining of Sidewinder but with a few changes made to better accommodate Halo 3 gameplay. The overall layout and general play is going to feel very familiar. And despite what the guys said, I personally have still found myself involved in many a late night stalemates on epic CTF matches. :) I am guessing that as far as "straight ports" are concerned, it's generally an issue of two things - one, Halo gameplay has evolved and changed slightly over the years and "perfect ports" don't always play the way they used to within the context of Halo 3. Secondly, I have to imagine our artists are not keen to settle for simply a cut/paste job. They are a lot more ambitious and hardcore than that. It does raise the question though.. how would people feel if some "quick ports" were done at some point in time? Would it be better to have something that perhaps had less visual upgrades and pizazz but was a perfect copy of an original? For hypothetical argument's sake, assume that such a map would be priced differently - As a player I'd expect something like that to probably cost less than a full blown fancy glorious new map. So it really comes down to what would people want more? some quick and dirty "ports" that were 99% accurate to the originals and perhaps available in more volume or fewer, better looking re-designed maps?... Or just completely original maps altogether and no more throw-backs to the old days.

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Sidewinder's back, baby!	Gravemind	3/19/08 1:01 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Omega	3/19/08 1:04 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Gravemind	3/19/08 1:18 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Louis Wu	3/19/08 8:46 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Omega	3/19/08 10:37 a.m.
Whoa. That was close. *NM*	Gravemind	3/19/08 1:23 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby! *NM*	RiveR	3/19/08 11:41 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	RiveR	3/19/08 11:54 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	xenøs	3/20/08 6:00 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Gravemind	3/19/08 1:05 a.m.
So pretty... *NM*	Eiii	3/19/08 1:33 a.m.
Do the Mancannons shoot you OVER the central wall?	Leviathan	3/19/08 1:40 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	gunluva	3/19/08 1:44 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	InnerRayg	3/19/08 1:57 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Ragashingo	3/19/08 2:07 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Zerowind117	3/19/08 2:45 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	ACEfanatic02	3/19/08 3:11 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Avateur	3/19/08 3:29 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	FyreWulff	3/19/08 3:58 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	DiscipleN2k	3/19/08 1:03 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Louis Wu	3/19/08 1:17 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	DiscipleN2k	3/19/08 2:59 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Ragashingo	3/19/08 8:40 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	sketchfactor	3/19/08 2:11 p.m.
Won't physics be an issue??	Boxer	3/19/08 3:01 p.m.
Tombstone (R.I.P.)	Stuntmutt	3/19/08 3:01 p.m.
Re: Tombstone (R.I.P.)	BolognaFire	3/19/08 3:12 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Ragashingo	3/19/08 3:07 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Urban Reflex	3/19/08 3:59 p.m.
Wow, nobody has replied to this yet?	SinisterSamurai	3/19/08 3:14 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Dustbunny27	3/19/08 3:16 p.m.
Re: Do it Sketch!	Devin Olsen	3/19/08 3:32 p.m.
I'm torn	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	3/19/08 3:35 p.m.
Ahem. "Classic Sack" maybe? *NM*	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	3/19/08 3:37 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	elessar787	3/19/08 3:37 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	sketchfactor	3/19/08 3:52 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Urban Reflex	3/19/08 4:04 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Bootsman	3/19/08 6:55 p.m.
Better/Slower > Faster/Crappier	ToastyKen	3/20/08 6:56 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	calmkiller	3/20/08 10:08 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	NOKYARD	3/20/08 11:12 a.m.
I would settle for some extra large cracked decal *NM*	SinisterSamurai	3/20/08 11:24 a.m.
+ audio of the ice cracking & popping *NM*	Anton P. Nym (aka Steve)	3/20/08 12:32 p.m.
True *NM*	SinisterSamurai	3/20/08 12:46 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Nevan	3/19/08 3:46 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Urban Reflex	3/19/08 3:51 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Slothboy	3/19/08 3:52 p.m.
Verticality!	sorahn	3/19/08 4:03 p.m.
Re: Verticality!	Urban Reflex	3/19/08 4:11 p.m.
Re: Verticality! === Construct *NM*	Magni Harvald	3/19/08 5:01 p.m.
ramps or raised platforms =/= grav lifts :( *NM*	BolognaFire	3/19/08 5:08 p.m.
Re: ramps or raised platforms =/= grav lifts :(	Ducain	3/19/08 5:21 p.m.
Re: Verticality! === PRISONER	makaveli0360	3/19/08 4:19 p.m.
Re: Verticality! === Boarding Action	bluerunner	3/19/08 4:29 p.m.
Re: Verticality! === Boarding Action	sketchfactor	3/19/08 5:37 p.m.
Re: Verticality! === Boarding Action	SinisterSamurai	3/19/08 7:09 p.m.
NOW HERES A MAN THAT TALKS SENSE /\	nomis78	3/19/08 9:40 p.m.
Sor, there is Isolation. That map confuses.	Mr. Kint	3/21/08 3:25 p.m.
Doesn't Construct fit the bill? *NM*	pete_the_duck	3/21/08 4:12 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Cody Miller	3/19/08 4:03 p.m.
Tombstone=please god no	makaveli0360	3/19/08 4:18 p.m.
Re: Tombstone=please god no	wafermouse	3/19/08 5:26 p.m.
Re: Tombstone=please god no	Duncan	3/19/08 6:17 p.m.
Re: Tombstone=please god no	Magni Harvald	3/19/08 6:22 p.m.
Halo 2 Map pack + question	sorahn	3/19/08 4:31 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	xMixMasterx	3/19/08 4:43 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Psychophan7	3/19/08 4:44 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Grimlock	3/19/08 7:12 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Don	3/19/08 4:46 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	QuickTactical	3/19/08 5:01 p.m.
My ideal scenario	wafermouse	3/19/08 5:03 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	jazo	3/19/08 5:20 p.m.
Please! My top 7.	Duncan	3/19/08 6:08 p.m.
Re: Please! My top 7.	Magni Harvald	3/19/08 6:20 p.m.
Here's my thoughts sketch.	VVM	3/19/08 7:24 p.m.
Good points, all	Jordan117	3/20/08 5:03 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Black Six	3/19/08 9:33 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Avateur	3/19/08 10:20 p.m.
Response to the question	InnerRayg	3/20/08 3:13 a.m.
Thanks Bungie! My response *long*	Awe Venger	3/20/08 4:36 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	xenøs	3/20/08 7:30 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	discopete019	3/20/08 9:23 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	serpx	3/20/08 10:54 a.m.
Enough about Sidewinder. Where's Prisoner?!	Boxer	3/20/08 11:01 a.m.
With Halo 2 & 3's fall physics, Prisoner would be-	SinisterSamurai	3/20/08 11:28 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	FyreWulff	3/21/08 5:50 p.m.
Another opinion on map pricing and packaging	FyreWulff	3/21/08 5:58 p.m.
Re: Another opinion on map pricing and packaging	elpolloguapo	3/21/08 7:39 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Avateur	3/19/08 1:51 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	vlad3163	3/19/08 1:58 a.m.
Lars Bakken was WRONG	Jordan117	3/19/08 2:04 a.m.
Re: Lars Bakken was WRONG	Xmoosev3	3/19/08 4:06 a.m.
Re: Lars Bakken was WRONG	FyreWulff	3/19/08 4:27 a.m.
Re: Lars Bakken was WRONG	BolognaFire	3/19/08 5:57 a.m.
Re: Lars Bakken was WRONG	Xmoosev3	3/19/08 8:25 a.m.
OMG thead is shaped like Sidewinder *NM*	Delicious Pie	3/19/08 1:13 p.m.
Re: Lars Bakken was WRONG	sketchfactor	3/19/08 2:13 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	FyreWulff	3/19/08 2:24 a.m.
Anyone else spot the teleporter in the base?	ACEfanatic02	3/19/08 2:26 a.m.
Time to bust out the jackets.	VVM	3/19/08 2:36 a.m.
One Word: Teleporters. WOOT WOOT!!! *NM*	Zerowind117	3/19/08 2:38 a.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	343winks.	3/19/08 2:45 a.m.
thats a whole lotta man cannon	nomis78	3/19/08 7:58 a.m.
Re: thats a whole lotta man cannon	Omega	3/19/08 8:33 a.m.
...That's it?	Psychophan7	3/19/08 9:26 a.m.
You know...	Simpsons Rule	3/19/08 9:42 a.m.
:argh:	Hawaiian Pig	3/19/08 11:28 a.m.
Re: ...That's it?	Louis Wu	3/19/08 9:43 a.m.
Re: ...That's it?	Psychophan7	3/19/08 10:04 a.m.
Re: ...That's it?	Miguel Chavez	3/19/08 11:18 a.m.
Re: ...That's it?	sketchfactor	3/19/08 2:20 p.m.
Are we going to see rocket cliff ?	SPARTAN 294	3/19/08 3:13 p.m.
Re: Are we going to see rocket cliff ?	sketchfactor	3/19/08 3:56 p.m.
Re: Are we going to see rocket cliff ?	Moose Lord	3/19/08 4:08 p.m.
Re: Are we going to see rocket cliff ?	DiscipleN2k	3/19/08 4:20 p.m.
Re: Are we going to see rocket cliff ?	sketchfactor	3/19/08 4:22 p.m.
Dream come true for me!	Burr	3/19/08 5:18 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	Cody Miller	3/19/08 10:39 a.m.
Please keep the ice patches!	Elite Spartan II	3/19/08 5:41 p.m.
Re: Or Rocket Race *NM*	SinisterSamurai	3/19/08 7:14 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	AnEternalEnigma	3/19/08 5:54 p.m.
Re: Sidewinder's back, baby!	VRaptorX	3/20/08 9:12 a.m.