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I didn't see any proof.
Posted By: Narcogen <narcogen@rampancy.net>	Date: 9/7/07 8:27 a.m.
In Response To: That's because here... (proof long, point short) (Barcode711) : ...you all have come to accept Microsoft's ownership of Bungie. There's a prayer that goes, "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference." I'm not a particularly religious person by nature but I think this is a valid axiom to apply to events like Bungie's buyout. Regardless of individual fan opinions, the buyout as largely been good not only for the artists, designers, and programmers who work for Bungie, but also for most of us who continue to enjoy playing Bungie games. All else is demagoguery. : Come on. Halo 3 Doritos? The game will undoubtedbly turn out awesome if only : because they actually have psychiatrists helping them make the campaign, : but that doesn't mean the Halo series hasn't become a shameless sellout. Right, because if you're in the entertainment business, and you make money, you're a sellout. Think Halo Doritos is going too far? Good. So do I. Don't buy them. I don't. Problem solved. If enough people are like you and me, they'll stop making them, because nobody sells things people don't buy. If people do keep buying them, then we're wrong-- but still, nobody is forcing us to buy them even if they become the world's favorite snack food for the next century. : Microsoft seems to be able to muscle out anyone doing anything that remotely : involves them. Epic wanted to make their second map pack free, MS cracks : the whip for profit purposes, they're forced to back down and make you pay : 10 dollars for 4 maps using recycled textures and models when the : 70-dollar game came with 10 maps plus the actual game until Halo 3 comes : out. How in heck is a product sold through XBLM only "remotely involving" Microsoft? It's Microsoft's store. They decide what's for sale and how much. How far would you get if you'd made a killer product, wanted to give it away for free, and walked up to the merchandise buyer for Target or WalMart and wanted them to sell and stock your product, without charging anything for it, simply because you were willing to give it away for free? Not far at all, that's how far. Clueless, average console users just see something that would be nice : to have, and seeing that it's not a lot of money (because they don't : understand the concept of value), they buy it. You don't understand the concept of value. Things are worth what people are willing to pay for them. If people don't buy the map packs, then they'll stop selling them. But if everyone wants them for free, you can bet no one will sell them. If you want to be part of a different economy, that works a different way, then it's easy-- you be a PC gamer, get the PC version of games, and if a studio wants to give you a free map pack directly to you, using their servers, then they do so. Epic wants to have their cake and eat it too, here, being part of the XBLM and benefiting from that audience without giving MS a share for footing the bill. Epic is a poor example these days for trying to illustrate how the gaming economy should work. Oh, and no games will have : friends-joinable ranked match capabilities until at LEAST Halo 3 comes : out. You know what happens? Once again, average users + chance to rank : with friends = sales for Micrsoft, loss of players online for other games, : decreasing their resale AND replay value, people start ONLY playing Halo 3 : and will most likely be uninterested in other upcoming games, Microsoft : can drop a lot of suppor tfor other games so that their development time : and money goes to greater use (time spent upgrading Halo 3 goes to more : use than, say, time spent upgrading Shadowrun). Microsoft makes money, : other companies don't. No, it's not "econonmy", it's monopoly, : and no, I won't stop "complaining", because otherwise who's : going to simultaneously point out these problems and also back up these : points? You're dealing now in rumors, speculation, and lies. No one is responsible for Epic's lousy online implementation in Gears except Epic. The only one who has suggested that Microsoft prohibited friends in ranked games is Epic. Microsoft has denied this, and other games-- Halo 2 and Shadowrun for example-- allow this. There is not some shadowy conspiracy out there to artificially deflate Gears' online play for a full year before Halo 3 comes out just to protect the first party franchise. That'd be like blowing your nose off with a shotgun to cure a cold that was about to go away in a week's time anyway. : No, I haven't bought the maps. My copy of Halo 2 is secondhand, and will be : traded in along with PGR3, Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge, and GRAW : (the last two taken with permission from a cousin who didn't like : them...CS was bullshit and GRAW was annoying, plus I had deleted my : gamesaves from my rental of that game before I got it from him, so I never : played it) to get Halo 3, because it's ridiculously expensive, along with : every other video game out for this generation of consoles, and : Blockbuster's 4-games-for-halo-3 deal rocks. Gaming is an expensive hobby. Perhaps you should try something else. I hear demagoguery is cheap. The regular copy of Halo 3 is also the same price as virtually every other next-generation title: $60. Nobody's putting a gun to your head to force you to buy a limited or legendary edition if you don't want it. : And Dustbunny, sure, everybody likes money, but not everyone will do anything : for it or is willing to, as they say, push others under to make their way : up, and not everyone likes to turn a blind eye when someone does it to : someone else. For example, sure, you love money, but not enough to say, : kill a family member for, say, 100% shares in Microsoft. Or, say, you : wouldn't accept money coming in from a warlord who's pillaging villages in : Africa, even if it was no strings attached. You know, it's ludicrous attacks like that which force ordinarily level-headed people like myself into defending some of Microsoft's worst actions. If you're going to criticize the company, please do so in a rational manner. Nothing Microsoft has ever done involved killing children or family members.

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Micr$oft Machinima Rules	QuickTactical	9/7/07 12:14 a.m.
Re: Micr$oft Machinima Rules	Dustbunny27	9/7/07 1:01 a.m.
Re: Micr$oft Machinima Rules	QuickTactical	9/7/07 1:15 a.m.
Re: Micr$oft Machinima Rules	Dustbunny27	9/7/07 1:34 a.m.
Re: Micr$oft Machinima Rules	QuickTactical	9/7/07 1:51 a.m.
Re: Micr$oft Machinima Rules	Eiii	9/7/07 2:16 a.m.
Re: Micr$oft Machinima Rules	QuickTactical	9/7/07 3:04 a.m.
Re: Micr$oft Machinima Rules	Narcogen	9/7/07 5:12 a.m.
Re: Micr$oft Machinima Rules	Narcogen	9/7/07 5:11 a.m.
That's because here... (proof long, point short)	Barcode711	9/7/07 5:49 a.m.
Welcome to the market economy, comrade.	Gravemind	9/7/07 8:06 a.m.
Yeah, I'll calm down.	Barcode711	9/7/07 8:19 a.m.
I didn't see any proof.	Narcogen	9/7/07 8:27 a.m.
Re: I didn't see any proof.	Cody Miller	9/7/07 6:08 p.m.
Re: I didn't see any proof.	Narcogen	9/8/07 12:44 a.m.
Re: That's because here... (proof long, point shor	Matt	9/7/07 4:13 p.m.
Re: That's because here... (proof long, point shor	Schedonnardus	9/7/07 4:40 p.m.
Re: That's because here... (proof long, point shor	Charley117	9/7/07 6:33 p.m.