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Re: There's pie in that thar sky
Posted By: yakamanDate: 1/29/07 7:22 a.m.

In Response To: There's pie in that thar sky (Ducain)


: I wrote up a little Halo 3 campaign wishlist. Give it a read, and add your
: goodies to the list.

: http://highimpacthalo.org/forum/showthread.php?t=22788

: JH

Nice read. I'm a campaigner myself, so much of what you said really struck home. The best of your list, with a few of my own:

* Insta-kills must go!
* Melee & Grenades to normal!
* Difficulty level - make legendary playable!

A shoring up of the physics (and world environment) is the #1 area. I liked H1's physics more, even though they (the rules) may have technically been less realistic. More important for H3 is that Bungie actually have the time to fully incorporate a real world, with real (and static) rules.

In H1, it felt like an environment (map, level) was "given", and was what it was without having to add addendum rules to attempt to shore flaws. There was a simple elegance to the levels - they were complete, and all characteristics were emergent from their given laws. There was no negotiation, no explaining.

In H2, it felt like the environments never got past the skeletal stage, and that in the end, paint was slapped on and insta-kills were thrown all around to try to patch the thing up. Too many holes, too many exploits.

Put it this way: I've played H1 for countless hours. I haven't done 1/100th of all the things I've seen people do on HIH or here on the forums, which says something about H1. Simply put, some of those things are so hard to do that only the cream of the crop can do them. I think that's the way it should be.

Again, I would say that the greatest thing about H1 is that it is elegant and complete; the way in which people behave while playing it is entirely emergent based on the individual. The story people can concentrate on story, the trickers tricks, etc. In H2 I think they tried to design towards some specific goals, which somehow made the world less real, and more vulnerable to simple exploitation.

I got out of H2 in about 20 minutes. I've never been out of H1.

Eh, who am I though? Bungie does excellent work, no doubt. The trouble with feature lists is that they're so easy to write down, but can be so difficult (impossible?) to implement. For H3, I get the feeling that Bungie is really spending a lot of time on the foundation, the basic structure of the world. To me, that's everything. If they present a full world, with complete rules and structure, everything else we want will emerge.


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There's pie in that thar skyDucain 1/28/07 1:40 p.m.
     You're insane.Slimby 1/28/07 2:23 p.m.
           Re: You're insane.Dojorkan 1/28/07 2:43 p.m.
                 Re: You're insane.Rosco-128 1/28/07 7:01 p.m.
           Re: You're insane.Hunt3r 1/28/07 4:43 p.m.
     Re: There's pie in that thar skyBrodingo 1/28/07 2:31 p.m.
     Re: There's pie in that thar skyThe More Deluded 1/28/07 2:34 p.m.
     Re: There's pie in that thar skyCody Miller 1/28/07 2:38 p.m.
           Re: There's pie in that thar skyDucain 1/28/07 2:45 p.m.
                 At least your horse uses Herbal Essence! *NM*PharoahsRaiment 1/28/07 2:47 p.m.
                 Re: There's pie in that thar skyCody Miller 1/28/07 3:00 p.m.
                       Re: There's pie in that thar skyDucain 1/28/07 3:09 p.m.
                       Re: There's pie in that thar skyOwm 1/29/07 2:19 a.m.
                 Re: There's pie in that thar skymasterskill 1/28/07 5:26 p.m.
                       Re: There's pie in that thar skyDucain 1/28/07 7:51 p.m.
                             Re: There's pie in that thar skymasterskill 1/28/07 8:12 p.m.
     Re: There's pie in that thar skyPharoahsRaiment 1/28/07 2:43 p.m.
     Mmmm... Forbidden pie...Dr. Nick 1/28/07 4:47 p.m.
     Re: There's pie in that thar skyRagashingo 1/28/07 4:52 p.m.
           Re: There's pie in that thar skyDucain 1/28/07 5:11 p.m.
                 Re: There's pie in that thar skyRagashingo 1/28/07 8:06 p.m.
                       Re: There's pie in that thar skySlith 1/28/07 11:43 p.m.
                             Re: There's pie in that thar skyRagashingo 1/29/07 12:44 a.m.
     Water level? No thanks. It's Halo, not Blood Wake.Hikaru-119 1/28/07 5:16 p.m.
           Re: Water level? No thanks. It's Halo, not Blood WSocrates (Alt PC) 1/28/07 7:53 p.m.
     Re: There's pie in that thar skyDS 1/28/07 5:26 p.m.
     Re: There's pie in that thar skyLandis Mclain 1/28/07 7:32 p.m.
     Re: There's pie in that thar skyRosco-128 1/28/07 7:33 p.m.
           Re: There's pie in that thar skyDangerousHippo 1/29/07 8:07 p.m.
     Re: There's pie in that thar skySocrates (Alt PC) 1/28/07 7:39 p.m.
     Re: There's pie in that thar skyCaptain Spark 1/28/07 10:13 p.m.
           Re: There's pie in that thar skySocrates 1/28/07 10:56 p.m.
                 Re: There's pie in that thar skyCaptain Spark 1/28/07 11:46 p.m.
                       Re: There's pie in that thar skySlith 1/28/07 11:56 p.m.
                             Re: There's pie in that thar skyCaptain Spark 1/29/07 12:08 a.m.
                                   Re: There's pie in that thar skyDangerousHippo 1/29/07 8:12 p.m.
                       Re: There's pie in that thar skySocrates 1/29/07 12:14 a.m.
                             Re: There's pie in that thar skyDangerousHippo 1/29/07 8:13 p.m.
           Re: There's pie in that thar skyRockslider 2/1/07 12:21 p.m.
                 Re: There's pie in that thar skyCaptain Spark 2/1/07 1:09 p.m.
                 Re: There's pie in that thar skyJman 2/1/07 4:39 p.m.
                       Option to switch music offRockslider 2/1/07 7:36 p.m.
                             Hey Marty, whaddya think?Jman 2/1/07 8:22 p.m.
                       Re: There's pie in that thar skyTelTura 2/1/07 9:19 p.m.
                             Re: There's pie in that thar skyJman 2/1/07 10:19 p.m.
     Re: There's pie in that thar skyNarcogen 1/28/07 11:01 p.m.
     Re: There's pie in that thar skyPazicles 1/28/07 11:45 p.m.
           Re: There's pie in that thar skySlith 1/28/07 11:52 p.m.
                 Re: There's pie in that thar skyRagashingo 1/29/07 12:50 a.m.
                       Re: There's pie in that thar skyDojorkan 1/29/07 6:24 a.m.
                       Re: There's pie in that thar skySlith 1/30/07 10:33 p.m.
     Re: There's pie in that thar skyyakaman 1/29/07 7:22 a.m.
     Sink like a lead weight.Wraith7n 1/29/07 7:56 a.m.
           Re: Sink like a lead weight.scarab 1/29/07 8:05 a.m.
                 Re: Sink like a lead weight.Wraith7n 1/29/07 12:52 p.m.
     Thoughts on thoughtsPeptuck 1/29/07 8:16 a.m.
     Re: There's pie in that thar skyMercutio2000 1/29/07 8:39 a.m.
     Re: There's pie in that thar skyRockslider 1/29/07 12:27 p.m.
     My own H3 wishlistRockslider 1/29/07 12:39 p.m.
           Re: My own H3 wishlistThe More Deluded 1/29/07 12:59 p.m.
                 Re: My own H3 wishlistDucain 1/29/07 1:54 p.m.
                       the Doozy! *NM*The More Deluded 1/29/07 2:00 p.m.
                       Re: My own H3 wishlistDojorkan 1/29/07 2:11 p.m.
                       Re: My own H3 wishlistCody Miller 1/29/07 9:01 p.m.
                 Re: My own H3 wishlistRockslider 1/29/07 5:47 p.m.
                       Re: My own H3 wishlistDucain 1/29/07 6:42 p.m.
                       Re: My own H3 wishlistSep7imus [subnova] 1/29/07 7:35 p.m.
           Re: My own H3 wishlistRosco-128 1/30/07 12:54 a.m.
                 Re: My own H3 wishlistDojorkan 1/30/07 9:58 a.m.
                 Would sure like melee combosRockslider 1/30/07 4:53 p.m.
           Re: My own H3 wishlistCaptain Spark 1/30/07 9:33 a.m.
                 Re: My own H3 wishlistDojorkan 1/30/07 10:11 a.m.
                       Re: My own H3 wishlistRockslider 1/30/07 3:18 p.m.
     I agree for the most part.Gravemind 1/30/07 12:00 a.m.
           Re: I agree for the most part.Rockslider 1/31/07 2:59 p.m.
     Spotlight with Suzie: Needles to noodlesRockslider 1/30/07 12:30 p.m.
           Re: Spotlight with Suzie: Needles to noodlesRed_Breast 1/30/07 2:59 p.m.
           Re: Spotlight with Suzie: Needles to noodlesDucain 1/30/07 5:04 p.m.
                 Re: Spotlight with Suzie: Needles to noodlesSocrates (Alt PC) 1/31/07 8:43 a.m.
           Can't wait for Suzie to returnUrsusArctos 1/31/07 2:09 a.m.
     Re: There's pie in that thar skyCANTANATRIX 1/31/07 6:00 a.m.



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